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one deity · Jan 27, 2004, 03:06 pm

Today i realised how blind everyone and everything has become. They all act upon motives which will never help them, and are irrelevant to anything in their lives. You cannot hold onto your new clothes for happiness, or your hair, or your friends, or even yourself. The only thing you can be is true. People have meaningless lives around me, the lives which people lead are indeed predominantly consumer driven, people are lead astray from what matters by the media and superficial things. People 'give themselves a break' with a 'bar of chocolate' or whatever food or object they find temporary happiness in. It is like watching people top themselves up. For a short while they feel full, but its only on the surface, they aren't filling any void they are merely covering it up. So they keep buying, or eating, or bitching, or smoking.
Neither can we truly 'live' in this world or life if we try and get from it things or answers which can only be obtained by beings which transcend our conscious and physical state.
The realisation that living to our true potential and a natural potential would better fulfill us.

FC Mellon · Jan 27, 2004, 03:14 pm

Blessed are those who are blind but still see 'The Truth'...
...it is ok not to be perfect...and it is ok to try and achieve perfection...and it is ok to not try to achieve perfection....and it is ok to do something else...and it is ok to just be ok......OK!!
8?)

mbrock59 · Jan 27, 2004, 03:42 pm

It is called materialism, and it destroys value systems.

Have a dog five years, then it is inconvenient to take care of ? dump it by the road.

Kids cramping your life style? dump them on Granny.

Can't pay your bills and have the plasma screen tv too? Just don't pay them and don't answer the phone when they call.

Ownership of belongings, Designer clothes, bells and whitles, etc. are what we judge others by these days, not integrety or honesty.

white rice · Jan 28, 2004, 03:55 am

So why do you care then, One Diety? Alienating yourself is on the path of becoming insane.

orgaelin · Jan 28, 2004, 04:03 am

If your assertion is that we are all blnid, and I assume that you are excluding yourself from that 'all', perhaps you would care to enlighten us to just what we are not seeing?

Man Against Time · Jan 29, 2004, 11:58 am

I am in full agreement.

Question though- You did title the thread, "People Now," so do you believe this is new? Are there a "People then?"

(I believe there are. I am wondering what you think)

Man Against Time · Jan 30, 2004, 12:02 pm

Related Readings for thread topic:

Crisis of the Modern World - Rene Guenon
Revolt Against the Modern World - Julius Evola

antayla · Feb 10, 2004, 08:39 pm

People are perfect in what they are, one deity... and they can't help but be true in their actions. They are doing what they want. When they want to feel truly satisfied in life they will find it. The only thing you can do for them is to show them what it means to live without fear and in complete honesty and at home in existence... if you are lucky enough to have stumbled on that truth already...

Bryan · Feb 10, 2004, 08:45 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mbrock59,)
It is called materialism<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

No it's called consumerism, materialism is the beleif that only material(as in physical things exist)

Don't confuse them, because although I'm the latter I'm certianly NOT the former.

white rice · Feb 10, 2004, 09:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,)
People are perfect in what they are, one deity... and they can't help but be true in their actions. They are doing what they want. When they want to feel truly satisfied in life they will find it. The only thing you can do for them is to show them what it means to live without fear and in complete honesty and at home in existence... if you are lucky enough to have stumbled on that truth already...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If you were to take that a step further then you could apply it to criminals and people in power who exploit others. They too are just trying to live life to its fullest. It's sometimes difficult to recognize the value in their lives, but it's just as important as helping your fellow man.

DayBaye · Feb 10, 2004, 09:45 pm

I'd like to take issue with saying people *now*. People always look back on the "good old days." Are you *kidding* me? Those days were as bad as these days, and in many ways worse.

white rice · Feb 10, 2004, 09:52 pm

Yeah DayBaye, the good old days is a euphemism for lax civil rights and women cooking in the kitchen while mopping the floor. Sex still had the claps and syphillis. The wars were more patriotic and less questionable.

antayla · Feb 11, 2004, 07:37 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (white rice)

If you were to take that a step further then you could apply it to criminals and people in power who exploit others. They too are just trying to live life to its fullest. It's sometimes difficult to recognize the value in their lives, but it's just as important as helping your fellow man.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I remember when I played Ultima Online, it was the player killers who made the game truly challenging and interesting... more than the programmed monsters in the game.

If there were no criminals or exploiters, who would show us what NOT do to? Crisis compels growth. Just as a person's body would atrophy without gravity to fight against, so we need conflict in order to grow emotionally and mentally as individuals. Some people try to cheat though >

The best way to grow is to recognize the crisis before it arrives (yay reason!) and prepare for it, if you can. But... who usually sees a problem before it arrives?

Man Against Time · Feb 11, 2004, 11:27 am

wow. You are basing your approval of criminal behavior on the stimulation it brings an RPG character.

Way to be.

white rice · Feb 11, 2004, 07:15 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,)

I remember when I played Ultima Online, it was the player killers who made the game truly challenging and interesting... more than the programmed monsters in the game.

If there were no criminals or exploiters, who would show us what NOT do to? Crisis compels growth. Just as a person's body would atrophy without gravity to fight against, so we need conflict in order to grow emotionally and mentally as individuals. Some people try to cheat though > The best way to grow is to recognize the crisis before it arrives (yay reason!) and prepare for it, if you can. But... who usually sees a problem before it arrives?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

With or without morality, a life is a life. Rich, poor, good, or evil, we come and go all the same. I tend to think that a big majority of conflict we face is self percieved.

Jan 28, 2004, 03:55 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	So why do you care then, One Diety? Alienating yourself is on the path of becoming insane. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Jan 28, 2004, 04:03 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 704	If your assertion is that we are all blnid, and I assume that you are excluding yourself from that 'all', perhaps you would care to enlighten us to just what we are not seeing? "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Jan 29, 2004, 11:58 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	I am in full agreement. Question though- You did title the thread, "People Now," so do you believe this is new? Are there a "People then?" (I believe there are. I am wondering what you think) "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Jan 30, 2004, 12:02 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	Related Readings for thread topic: Crisis of the Modern World - Rene Guenon Revolt Against the Modern World - Julius Evola "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 10, 2004, 08:39 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	People are perfect in what they are, one deity... and they can't help but be true in their actions. They are doing what they want. When they want to feel truly satisfied in life they will find it. The only thing you can do for them is to show them what it means to live without fear and in complete honesty and at home in existence... if you are lucky enough to have stumbled on that truth already... Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Jan 27, 2004, 03:06 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
one deity Molten Ash Posts: 32	Today i realised how blind everyone and everything has become. They all act upon motives which will never help them, and are irrelevant to anything in their lives. You cannot hold onto your new clothes for happiness, or your hair, or your friends, or even yourself. The only thing you can be is true. People have meaningless lives around me, the lives which people lead are indeed predominantly consumer driven, people are lead astray from what matters by the media and superficial things. People 'give themselves a break' with a 'bar of chocolate' or whatever food or object they find temporary happiness in. It is like watching people top themselves up. For a short while they feel full, but its only on the surface, they aren't filling any void they are merely covering it up. So they keep buying, or eating, or bitching, or smoking. Neither can we truly 'live' in this world or life if we try and get from it things or answers which can only be obtained by beings which transcend our conscious and physical state. The realisation that living to our true potential and a natural potential would better fulfill us.

Jan 27, 2004, 03:14 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
FC Mellon Molten Ash Location: So Cal Posts: 51	Blessed are those who are blind but still see 'The Truth'... ...it is ok not to be perfect...and it is ok to try and achieve perfection...and it is ok to not try to achieve perfection....and it is ok to do something else...and it is ok to just be ok......OK!! 8?)

Jan 27, 2004, 03:42 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
mbrock59 Sedimentary Rock Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 12	It is called materialism, and it destroys value systems. Have a dog five years, then it is inconvenient to take care of ? dump it by the road. Kids cramping your life style? dump them on Granny. Can't pay your bills and have the plasma screen tv too? Just don't pay them and don't answer the phone when they call. Ownership of belongings, Designer clothes, bells and whitles, etc. are what we judge others by these days, not integrety or honesty.

Feb 10, 2004, 08:45 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Bryan Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mbrock59,) It is called materialism<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No it's called consumerism, materialism is the beleif that only material(as in physical things exist) Don't confuse them, because although I'm the latter I'm certianly NOT the former.

Feb 10, 2004, 09:38 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,) People are perfect in what they are, one deity... and they can't help but be true in their actions. They are doing what they want. When they want to feel truly satisfied in life they will find it. The only thing you can do for them is to show them what it means to live without fear and in complete honesty and at home in existence... if you are lucky enough to have stumbled on that truth already...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If you were to take that a step further then you could apply it to criminals and people in power who exploit others. They too are just trying to live life to its fullest. It's sometimes difficult to recognize the value in their lives, but it's just as important as helping your fellow man. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 10, 2004, 09:45 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
DayBaye Sedimentary Rock Posts: 11	I'd like to take issue with saying people now. People always look back on the "good old days." Are you kidding me? Those days were as bad as these days, and in many ways worse.

Feb 10, 2004, 09:52 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	Yeah DayBaye, the good old days is a euphemism for lax civil rights and women cooking in the kitchen while mopping the floor. Sex still had the claps and syphillis. The wars were more patriotic and less questionable. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 11, 2004, 07:37 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (white rice) If you were to take that a step further then you could apply it to criminals and people in power who exploit others. They too are just trying to live life to its fullest. It's sometimes difficult to recognize the value in their lives, but it's just as important as helping your fellow man.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I remember when I played Ultima Online, it was the player killers who made the game truly challenging and interesting... more than the programmed monsters in the game. If there were no criminals or exploiters, who would show us what NOT do to? Crisis compels growth. Just as a person's body would atrophy without gravity to fight against, so we need conflict in order to grow emotionally and mentally as individuals. Some people try to cheat though > The best way to grow is to recognize the crisis before it arrives (yay reason!) and prepare for it, if you can. But... who usually sees a problem before it arrives? Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Feb 11, 2004, 11:27 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Man Against Time Molten Ash Location: NJ Posts: 113	wow. You are basing your approval of criminal behavior on the stimulation it brings an RPG character. Way to be. "Die! Fall upon your sword. Fall upon your knee. Die like your Son, nailed to his Tree. Die by my hand. Die in my heart, plucked from the Ice; forever cold."

Feb 11, 2004, 07:15 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,) I remember when I played Ultima Online, it was the player killers who made the game truly challenging and interesting... more than the programmed monsters in the game. If there were no criminals or exploiters, who would show us what NOT do to? Crisis compels growth. Just as a person's body would atrophy without gravity to fight against, so we need conflict in order to grow emotionally and mentally as individuals. Some people try to cheat though > The best way to grow is to recognize the crisis before it arrives (yay reason!) and prepare for it, if you can. But... who usually sees a problem before it arrives?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> With or without morality, a life is a life. Rich, poor, good, or evil, we come and go all the same. I tend to think that a big majority of conflict we face is self percieved. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups