The false doctrine of "once saved always saved" is such a false doctrine that many are being destroyed by it. The Bible teaches the exact opposite of it Gen through Rev. Can anyone give me just one text from scripture that is not taken out of context that would prove to me that this doctrine is true. It is also known as eternal security and the perseverance of the saints.
Could you explain what the "once saved always saved" doctrine is? And welcome to the forums!
One wonders why seeds of discontent would thusly be sewn by a believer among other believers. The factual nature of this belief is not such that adherence or rejection of it lead to the loss of God's grace.Quote by: tohimwhoovercom
Why then should one decry it as false in the manner found here as if the point of view of the poster were so simply understandable as to infer inferiority upon the reasoning of one who does accept it?
Such contentiousness does very little indeed to either glorify God, or promote harmony in the body.
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
To accept this false doctrine is to open one up to accept a life of sinning and as a result to begin a life of sinning without respect to the commandments of the Lord. Jude 4 refers to those who turn the grace of God into a license for sin. To accept that license is to fall from grace. Grace is the way a christian is saved. Jesus warned of many false teacher who would come in the last days before His coming teaching things that even deny the Lord who redeemed them. That is what this teaching leads to.
A much better approach. But who am I to reproachTo accept this false doctrine is to open one up to accept a life of sinning and as a result to begin a life of sinning without respect to the commandments of the Lord. Jude 4 refers to those who turn the grace of God into a license for sin. To accept that license is to fall from grace. Grace is the way a christian is saved. Jesus warned of many false teacher who would come in the last days before His coming teaching things that even deny the Lord who redeemed them. That is what this teaching leads to.
Sinners do indeed find excuse to sin. But "once saved always saved" does not cause them to sin. Once saved always saved does not derive its nature from the ability to act as on pleases following the initial salvation.
It stems from the belief that once the sinner fully and truly accepts Christ, the "old man" is gone and a "new man" arises.(John3:5), you will no longer be controlled by your sinful nature (Romans8:19)
Therefore, one who is truly saved would not use his nature as saved as an excuse to sin.
That where sin increased, grace abounded (Romans 5:20) does not justify increasing sin.
That is the belief to which I offer admonishment.
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
Because a person has been saved does not mean they can not choose to sin. There are many commands in scripture addressing christians to not sin because they have a free will such as: 1 Corinthians 15:34 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Sin is not the only issue but also obedience. To not follow the Lord is to walk away from Him and loose ones salvation. Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Forgive me if I seemed to imply sinlessness following salvation. Absolutely false. We were and remain sinful. Such is our nature. I meant to imply that the "new creation" would not justify subsequent sin.
I do not hold the acceptance or rejection of this concept to be important. Neither will prevent you from being saved. Either position can elicit pridefulness, which is perhaps the worst enemy of the believer.
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
The doctrine is true in the sense that we are all equally damned
Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.--Napoleon Bonaparte
Without Christ, indeed.The doctrine is true in the sense that we are all equally damned
Good conversation. Thank you
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
I am the one implying sinlessness can follow salvation. John 8:11 And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. We must attempt to our best to "Go and sin no more." We must overcome sin completely or it will overcome us. Humans have a nature that does by nature the things contained in the moral law because we have a conscience that knows right from wrong. Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law,
In order for a person to sin that abides "In Christ" they must stop abiding in Christ in order to do it. 1 John 3:5-6 and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: The reason that this conversation is important is because if a person believes the once saved always saved false doctrine they will come to a conclusion that they are now free to sin and it will not effect their salvation. The opposite is true. A true Christian must take heed to do the commandments of the Lord, and work out their salvation with fear and trembling.
Before any further response, I ask: Do you meant to say that any person who has been saved in Christ is incapable of committing a sin?
And conversely, anyone who commits sin is not saved?
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
People who are saved can sin. If they willfully sin by making a continual habit out of it, they will loose their salvation.
There is a sin that is not unto death like jaywalking that does not lead to death. Then their is a sin that does lead to death.
1 John 5:16-17 There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
A true Christian should be striving against sin to overcome it with The Lord's help.
Hebrews 12:4 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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