I believe he did simply because the year says 2011 A.D (anno domini), year of our lord, if we can date all the back 2011 years ago, then there must be some truth there, the entire world uses 2011, so this must mean something, right?
I believe he did simply because the year says 2011 A.D (anno domini), year of our lord, if we can date all the back 2011 years ago, then there must be some truth there, the entire world uses 2011, so this must mean something, right?
Wikipedia, for I have no time to go in depth and quote the Bible.
According to the Bible, Jesus was born either before 4 BC (when Herod the Great died) or in 6 AD (when the historical Census of Quirinius was undertaken). That "Anno Domini" thing was invented in the 6th century; it's now a mere convention.
Chronology of Jesus
It doesn't have anything to do with Jesus having existed or not.
Just trolling by.
Assuming he was born at all, of course; and a manmade convention started by religious fanatics in the Catholic Church is hardly evidence of his existence.
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
-- Stephen Crane
Read more: The Gregorian Calendar—History The Gregorian Calendar—HistorySeptember 2, 1752, was a great day in the history of sleep.
That Wednesday evening, millions of British subjects in England and the colonies went peacefully to sleep and did not wake up until twelve days later. Behind this feat of narcoleptic prowess was not some revolutionary hypnotic technique or miraculous pharmaceutical discovered in the West Indies. It was, rather, the British Calendar Act of 1751, which declared the day after Wednesday the second to be Thursday the fourteenth.
Prior to that cataleptic September evening, the official British calendar differed from that of continental Europe by eleven days—that is, September 2 in London was September 13 in Paris, Lisbon, and Berlin. The discrepancy had sprung from Britain's continued use of the Julian calendar, which had been the official calendar of Europe since its invention by Julius Caesar (after whom it was named) in 45 B.C.
Caesar's calendar, which consisted of eleven months of 30 or 31 days and a 28-day February (extended to 29 days every fourth year), was actually quite accurate: it erred from the real solar calendar by only 11½ minutes a year. After centuries, though, even a small inaccuracy like this adds up. By the sixteenth century, it had put the Julian calendar behind the solar one by 10 days.
In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII ordered the advancement of the calendar by 10 days and introduced a new corrective device to curb further error: century years such as 1700 or 1800 would no longer be counted as leap years, unless they were (like 1600 or 2000) divisible by 400.
If somewhat inelegant, this system is undeniably effective, and is still in official use in the United States. The Gregorian calendar year differs from the solar year by only 26 seconds—accurate enough for most mortals, since this only adds up to one day's difference every 3,323 years.
Despite the prudence of Pope Gregory's correction, many Protestant countries, including England, ignored the papal bull. Germany and the Netherlands agreed to adopt the Gregorian calendar in 1698; Russia only accepted it after the revolution of 1918, and Greece waited until 1923 to follow suit. And currently many Orthodox churches still follow the Julian calendar, which now lags 13 days behind the Gregorian.
Dating in the West is heavily influenced by the major religion in the West, Christianity. Not every country subscribes to the B.C./A.D. format internally.
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Who cares? His "words" are good ones to live by.
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
Like the part where he tells slaves to obey their masters, for it is their duty. Good stuff.
A man said to the universe:
"Sir, I exist!"
"However," replied the universe,
"The fact has not created in me
A sense of obligation."
-- Stephen Crane
True. Should have said "some of his words."Quote by: Angry Citizen
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
Even more accurately, "some of the words attributed to him."
The Forum Rules
Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
[John F. Kennedy]
The principal value of debate lies in the development of logical thought processes, and the ability to articulate your positions publicly.
[Senator Dick Clark of Iowa]
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
[Terry Pratchett]
Haha! That's funny
There’s been some debate on this issue. The statement that Jesus never existed goes back to the 18th century. The most important contemporary scholar of the non-existence theory is George Wells who says that all sources that scholars used to prove the historicity of Jesus contain no independent traditions about Jesus. Wells explains Jesus as a mythical figure arising from Paul’s mysticism.
Some of the arguments against Wells’ hypothesis are:
1. Paul’s relative silence about some details in the life of Jesus (exact time of his life, places of his ministry, that Pontius Pilate condemned him…) It’s not because it’s unmentioned or undetailed that it did not exist. We should not expect to find exact historical references in early Christian literature because it wasn’t written for historical purposes.
2. Wells cannot explain why, if Christians invented the historical Jesus around the year 100, as Wells states, no pagans and Jews who opposed Christianity denied Jesus’ historicity or even questioned it.
3. Wells and his predecessors have been too skeptical about the value of non-Christian witnesses of Jesus, especially Tacitus and Josephus.
4. Wells has failed to advance other credible hypotheses to account for the birth of Christianity and the fashioning of a historical Christ.
One example of Jesus in a non-Christian source:
Passage in The Annals by Tacitus (56-117 AD)
“Therefore, to put down the rumor, Nero substituted as culprits and punished in the most unusual ways those hated for their shameful acts, whom the crowd called “Chrestians.” The founder of this name, Christ, had been executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate.”
The scholars have reason to believe this is not forged. (f.e. the passage fits well in the context, Tacitus’ style, no Christian forgers would have made disparaging remarks about Christianity..)
Now, the theory of Jesus non-existence is now dead as a scholarly question. The theory is seen as a reaction against the Christian faith with little objective value.
Source: VAN VOORST, R. Jesus Outside The New Testament. 2000.
While there may have been a real man upon whom the mantle of godhood was posthumously draped, the Jesus as described in the Bible certainly never existed. It was a later invention, put together by the church, which certainly had reasons for creating the image to maintain their own power.
Jesus lived and still does...in fact there are literally thousands of Jesuses in Mexico.
So What?
Yeah, Dan, I especially like the one about have no thought for tomorrow, rid yourself of all earthly belongings and follow me or some such nonsense. Sounds like the moonies.
I have to agree with "Who cares?" At this point I don't think it matters to christians if jebus actually existed any more than it matters to mormons if joe smith actually existed. Humans apparently have the capacity to believe anything if eternal life is involved. They say prostitution is the oldest business but I think it's religion. Promise the people what they want and they'll beat a path to your door.
Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens
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