The Tree of Eden and Why Christians...

[Suburbanite]

The Tree of Eden and Why Christians Shouldn't Teach Christianity

One of the most confusing messages ever enveloped within the Christian faith is that of proselytizing. In Genisis God gave two strict commands to Adam and Eve. One of these was not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Once they disobeyed this command they were expelled from eden. When then is it that Christians go about trying to educate those on their senses of right and wrong when it is this knowledge which the bible condemns from the get-go.

[PatrickHenry]

Here it is Suburbanite:

Adam and Eve fell...We ALL inherited their sinfulness. It is now the spiritual nature of unrepentant Mankind. Our pathway back to communion with The Father God is through a desire to be changed BY HIM, by the means of the Holy Spirit living within.

Everyone already has the old nature as the basis of their original personality. It is selfish and needs to change. We can't change ourselves. We are powerless against our old sinful nature. GOD HIMSELF does the changing we need to be back in His family of love and mercy.

Ever met any humble Christians? I hope every "christian" you have met is not as arrogant as some on the "Christian Right." I think(IMHO) that many who claim to be christian are in fact, quite unredeemed...

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, The Tree of Eden and Why Christians Shouldn't Teach Christianity One of the most confusing messages ever enveloped within the Christian faith is that of proselytizing. In Genisis God gave two strict commands to Adam and Eve. One of these was not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Once they disobeyed this command they were expelled from eden. When then is it that Christians go about trying to educate those on their senses of right and wrong when it is this knowledge which the bible condemns from the get-go.

Because they did not interpret it right?

Basically, as I pointed out in another message chain, the Bible is in fact the "tree of knowedge between good and evil". Not only does it contain the information about good and evil but our present Bibles are printed on paper which is in fact a tree (tree pulp). So the physical paper is a tree and the knowledge is about good and evil (right and wrong).

The sin was to use that knowledge to become as the gods by becoming judgemental or "looking down or nose" at others in a kind of egocentric sense of self-righteousness.

Thus, like a warning lable on a prescription drug, the first chapter warned humanity to keep the Bible out of the reach of those who are immature, a warning lable, not to read the Bible without a prescription from the spirit within, which most Chirstains that failed to do an likewise do not even know how to do.

Technosoul.

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In Genisis God gave two strict commands to Adam and Eve. One of these was not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.[/b]

Adam failed to obey God. A second Adam was sent to repair the damage the first Adam inflicted on mankind.

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When then is it that Christians go about trying to educate those on their senses of right and wrong when it is this knowledge which the bible condemns from the get-go.[/quote]

It is therefore very important to spread the good news that the Second Adam, Jesus, has repaired the damage inflicted by Adam.

[Technosoul]

Okay, good news folks, everything was fixed some two thousand years ago and so we are not really having a war on terrorism and ... more good news.... we are not having any of those many other problems we think we are having.... why? because humanity learned it's lesson about Adam and so now we only do what God tells us to do. Hmmm? How come none of the other newspapers have any of this good news? Gee, how could they be so wrong as to publish bad news, they should be stoned. Hmmm? Now where did a get a nutty idea like this?

[Vee]

good news doesn't sell

[Technosoul]

That is so, few religious books by Christians talk about what it will be like in heaven, most of them are about doomsday and about how all those wicked naked people will be judged by the Saints and by the God of no mercy.

The good news is that if you agree you get to be one of the saints passing judgement instead of those who must dodge the all those falling balls fire.

[crayola]

Concerning the guilt of Adam and the reference to his transgression by Jesus and his disciples; the lesson points to the warning Jesus gave of intermarriage that had the capability of taking all the Jews and other tribal names away, thereby leaving no name or place as a nation called Israel. Intermarriage meant diverse offspring and offspring via intermarriage was a definite threat to "life" of name and place in sons of Jacob-Israel. Also, the only sign in Noah was given which evidenced how intermarriage could take "them all away".

Was Jesus a racist? Looks to be his character for sure.

What was Adam's sin? He intermarried his tradition with "begotten sons". This may point to confederate tribes joining together.. (The "trees" of the Garden of whom Adam and Eve tried to hide themselves.) *Which may point to specific tribes of people called Amorites and Hittites. (Your father was an Amorite and your mother an Hittite - OT) Adam lived 930 years and he died within the day of his creation - "a thousand years as one day and one day as a thousand years".

The "evil" knowledge can be identified as anything not given to Adam to be used for his own tradition. And the story states that God had given Adam everything he needed to survive in his own tradition. But Adam evidently wanted to scout around and discover what was greener on the other side of the fence, so to speak. So Adam is said to have been the one who knew better, while his wife Eve was the one who had been deceiv ed by the lie of Satan, that old serpent.

And THIS is why the "woman" is to keep silent in the churches. The "woman" of course in representation of a/the Covenant, or "mother of all living".

The second man Adam represents "Christ", the covenant, the woman, whose husband is God. Joined together, "let no man put as under". Tradition is speaking in regard to loyalty and again showing how this retains a people in name and place in the world. Specifically the lesson and story is in regards to sons of Jacob called Israel.

[freedom13]

The Tree of Eden and Why Christians Shouldn't Teach Christianity

One of the most confusing messages ever enveloped within the Christian faith is that of proselytizing. In Genisis God gave two strict commands to Adam and Eve. One of these was not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Once they disobeyed this command they were expelled from eden. When then is it that Christians go about trying to educate those on their senses of right and wrong when it is this knowledge which the bible condemns from the get-go.

Because they did not interpret it right? Basically, as I pointed out in another message chain, the Bible is in fact the "tree of knowledge between good and evil". Not only does it contain the information about good and evil but our present Bibles are printed on paper which is in fact a tree (tree pulp). So the physical paper is a tree and the knowledge is about good and evil (right and wrong). The sin was to use that knowledge to become as the gods by becoming judgemental or "looking down or nose" at others in a kind of egocentric sense of self-righteousness. Thus, like a warning label on a prescription drug, the first chapter warned humanity to keep the Bible out of the reach of those who are immature, a warning label, not to read the Bible without a prescription from the spirit within, which most Christians that failed to do an likewise do not even know how to do. Technosoul.

Very Interesting.....

What will be the meaning of the tree of life?

[Athena]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Here it is Suburbanite: Adam and Eve fell...We ALL inherited their sinfulness. It is now the spiritual nature of unrepentant Mankind. Our pathway back to communion with The Father God is through a desire to be changed BY HIM, by the means of the Holy Spirit living within. Everyone already has the old nature as the basis of their original personality. It is selfish and needs to change. We can't change ourselves. We are powerless against our old sinful nature. GOD HIMSELF does the changing we need to be back in His family of love and mercy. Ever met any humble Christians? I hope every "christian" you have met is not as arrogant as some on the "Christian Right." I think(IMHO) that many who claim to be christian are in fact, quite unredeemed...

are you being sincere or sarcastic?

[Athena]

You will find these words in Isaiah. Where was the origin of these thoughts? Who were the first people to write them?

Holy is [the place] where you are; The mountain Dilmun is holy. Holy is the place where you are; ......the mountain Dilmun is is holy. The mountain Dilmun is holy, the mountain Dilmun is pure, The mountain Dilmun is pure; the mountain Dilmun is brilliant. Alone in Dilmun they lay down; Where Enki and his consort lay, That place is pure; that place is brilliant. Where Enki and Ninella lay, That Place is pure, that place is brilliant. In Dilmun the raven cried not, The dar-bird its dar-cry uttered not. The deadly lion destroyed not, The wolf a lamb seized not, The dog the weak kid tore not, The dun-animal (sow) the food-grain destroyed not, The planned not for young off spring... The birds of heaven their offspring hatched not, Doves laid noteggs (?)_ Of eye-disease, "it is eye-disease," one said not; Of headache, "it is headache," one said not. To a mother, "mother," one said not, To a father, "father," one said not. In the holy place a libation was poured not; in the city one drank not; The river-man "cross it?" said not; The overseer filled no right hand; The musician "sing," said not; The prince of the city spoke not. Ninella to her father Enki Said: "A city thoust founded, a city thou hast founded, its destiny thou hast fiexe; In Dilmun a city thou has hast founded, ......thou hast founded a city, ........a canal there is not ..;;;.....thou hast founded a city."

Epic of Paradise, Mountain Dilmun / Tilmun, Flood, Fall of Man - Column I

[Athena]

Here is another peice of the bible. This peice like the flood is found in Genesis.

The..........tree (?) let him plant, The..........tree (") let him plant, At the explanation of the great outpouring let my begotten stand (?). Let the gwo gu-ba be filled with water, Abundant water let him pour out, Reservoir wwaterlet him pour out, The barren land let him irrigate, As gardener.....let him go forth (?), On the bank, along the bank, let....... Who are thou? The garden..... For Enki, the gardener...... ......................... ......................... ......................... ......................... ......................... ......................... The..... tree (he planted, The.......tree (?) he planted; at its base he rested. Enki turned his eyes to him; his sceptre he lifted up/ Enki to Takku took his way. At the tree he said: "A holy revelation, a holy revelation!" "Who is it that thou art?" "I am a gardener; joyful..... For a price I will give thee." Takku with a joyful heart at the tree (?) the revelation beheld, Enki to Takku explained his outpouring. The promised fruit was given to him, At the.....tree (?) it was given to him, At the .....tree (?) it was given to him, Takku received the outpouring; with the left hand he grasped it; with the right he seized it. "From the parts of column IV which are still legible, it appears that the messenger was revealing to Takku the secrets of Agriculture. This corresponds to the statement in Genesis 9:20 that "Noah began to be a husbandman.."

Epic of Paradise, Mountain Dilmun / Tilmun, Flood, Fall of Man - Column I

I have said before, Abraham came from the Sumerian city Ur and he carried the stories of Ur with him. These stories had to be corrected when it was decided there is one God and not several. Likely a result of contact with the people of an Eygpt pharaoh who insisted on the worship of one God.

Enki angered the goddess Ninhursag and she cursed him to death. A fox convinced Ninhursag to let Enki live and in comes Niniti a healing goddess. Her name means "the lady who makes live" and "the lady of the rib". In the translation, it isn't a story of gods and goddesses, but a story of a man, and a woman made from his rib, who is "the lady who makes live".

The people of Sumer carried a concept of sin, and this explanation is getting too long. I hope there is interest and the discussion continues.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Athena are you being sincere or sarcastic?

Sincere...

[Suburbanite]

wow, way to bump this!

[Athena]

Quote by: Suburbanite wow, way to bump this!

What to you mean?