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randall patrick · Nov 2, 2004, 04:01 pm

Just got my copy of "Heidegger's Confusions" by Paul Edwards

From the preface:

"Bertrand Russell once referred to Kant as the greatest catastrophe in the history of philosophy. C.D. Broad commented that this position surely belonged to Hegel. Both Russell and Broad were wrong, because this title undoubtedly belongs to Martin Heidegger.

"Some years ago, Anthony Quinton spoke of Heidegger's 'ponderous and rubbishy woolgathering.' Until fairly recently, Heidegger was not taken seriously by philsophers in Great britain and the United States. Unfortunately this is no longer the case."

Edwards also prefaces the book with the following quotes:

"Those metaphysical philosophers are the greatest sinners, who, as if they were saying something of importance, make 'Reality' or 'Being' the subject of their propositions" -----Gilbert Ryle

"An almost unbelievable amount of false philosophy has arisen through not realizing what 'existence' means....[It] rests upon the notion that existence is, so to speak, a property that you can attribute to things, and that the things that exist have the property of existence and the things that do not exist do not. that is rubbish"---------Bertrand Russell

"Everything ponderous, viscous and solemnly clumsy, all long-winded and boring types of style are deeloped in profuse variety among Germans."--------Friedrich Nietzsche

I do believe I am going to enjoy reading this book.

George

Technosoul · Nov 4, 2004, 10:15 am

The way I would look at that debate is to conclude that we have at least two aspects of our mind - imagination and logic.

One aspect then shall romance the other in a kind of mating ritual. If it happens that the imagination and the logic merge together in a kind of marrage we end up a united mind that becomes creative and thus, productive. Resulting in the ability to invent things that are new for our culture, and likewise the unity of those two aspects can produce or manifest new concepts about life which we call philosophy.

Once the imagination has seeded the womb of logic it can generate ideas that in turn spur on the evolutionary nature of ideas. Which process allows an idea to survive and to become stronger or better adapted from generation to generation.

Also, or in addition to that, we have the minds of different people mating in marrage with one another, one person might implant a seed of imagination or logic into the mind of another person, to cause such productivity as a birthing process for ideas. Some ideas manifest in that manner are adopted by the greater culture or else they are aborted before they can live out their exsistence and reach full blooming. None the less that process insures a continued mixture in the DNA construction of any momentum in thinking or what we call 'learnng'. Preventing the inbreeding of just one idea due to the mixing in of alternative options.

Without the mating of those two aspects of the mind the identity remains stale. Or what is termed "single minded". The imagination alone being nothing more then fantasy, and the logic alone being nothing more then being stuck in the rut of just repeating the same-o facts without any changes in the momentum taking place due to the novelty input of imagination.
Which could cause culture to basically stand still without growth or evolution - resulting in a dark age where enlightenment is taboo relative to the tasks of learning from the marrages of our logic with our imaginaton. This often is effected by the raping of minds by the dominate philosophy of a culture, to force the reproduction of that image.

So that is that, from out of the blue by Technosoul.

Nov 2, 2004, 04:01 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
randall patrick Molten Ash Posts: 68	Just got my copy of "Heidegger's Confusions" by Paul Edwards From the preface: "Bertrand Russell once referred to Kant as the greatest catastrophe in the history of philosophy. C.D. Broad commented that this position surely belonged to Hegel. Both Russell and Broad were wrong, because this title undoubtedly belongs to Martin Heidegger. "Some years ago, Anthony Quinton spoke of Heidegger's 'ponderous and rubbishy woolgathering.' Until fairly recently, Heidegger was not taken seriously by philsophers in Great britain and the United States. Unfortunately this is no longer the case." Edwards also prefaces the book with the following quotes: "Those metaphysical philosophers are the greatest sinners, who, as if they were saying something of importance, make 'Reality' or 'Being' the subject of their propositions" -----Gilbert Ryle "An almost unbelievable amount of false philosophy has arisen through not realizing what 'existence' means....[It] rests upon the notion that existence is, so to speak, a property that you can attribute to things, and that the things that exist have the property of existence and the things that do not exist do not. that is rubbish"---------Bertrand Russell "Everything ponderous, viscous and solemnly clumsy, all long-winded and boring types of style are deeloped in profuse variety among Germans."--------Friedrich Nietzsche I do believe I am going to enjoy reading this book. George

Nov 4, 2004, 10:15 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	The way I would look at that debate is to conclude that we have at least two aspects of our mind - imagination and logic. One aspect then shall romance the other in a kind of mating ritual. If it happens that the imagination and the logic merge together in a kind of marrage we end up a united mind that becomes creative and thus, productive. Resulting in the ability to invent things that are new for our culture, and likewise the unity of those two aspects can produce or manifest new concepts about life which we call philosophy. Once the imagination has seeded the womb of logic it can generate ideas that in turn spur on the evolutionary nature of ideas. Which process allows an idea to survive and to become stronger or better adapted from generation to generation. Also, or in addition to that, we have the minds of different people mating in marrage with one another, one person might implant a seed of imagination or logic into the mind of another person, to cause such productivity as a birthing process for ideas. Some ideas manifest in that manner are adopted by the greater culture or else they are aborted before they can live out their exsistence and reach full blooming. None the less that process insures a continued mixture in the DNA construction of any momentum in thinking or what we call 'learnng'. Preventing the inbreeding of just one idea due to the mixing in of alternative options. Without the mating of those two aspects of the mind the identity remains stale. Or what is termed "single minded". The imagination alone being nothing more then fantasy, and the logic alone being nothing more then being stuck in the rut of just repeating the same-o facts without any changes in the momentum taking place due to the novelty input of imagination. Which could cause culture to basically stand still without growth or evolution - resulting in a dark age where enlightenment is taboo relative to the tasks of learning from the marrages of our logic with our imaginaton. This often is effected by the raping of minds by the dominate philosophy of a culture, to force the reproduction of that image. So that is that, from out of the blue by Technosoul.