2 Short Questions

[DoctorBarber]

These questions are to atheists or anyone who opposes what the bible says is wrong ( lying, killing etc )

My first question is regarding homosexuality.

Atheists, your argument is that homosexuality isn't wrong just because a group of "sheep herders" a couple thousand years ago said it was. Therefore, if your child wanted to be a homosexual, you would encourage them to be that way.

Well, what about profanity? At some point, some guy ( or group of guys ) declared that terms like "bitch" or "shit" were not proper words to use. Yet, atheists don't approach this idea the same way they approach homosexuality. They will teach their children not to use those words or they will get a spanking or punishment. They don't question why their child shouldn't be able to say those things. They just go along with it. Why is that? Why are you quick to condone homosexuality, but not profanity, when they both, according to atheists, are "wrong" just because someone said they were?

The next question was a point about homosexuality in the military. I was listening to the radio, and an anti-gay politician ( not sure what his name was ) was making a few points. The first one was something along the lines of "People join the army to protect their country, not to have their values changed." Which is exactly what this "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is doing. Conditioning the minds of the soldiers to give up what they already believe in and forcing them to accept something when it has nothing to do with their purpose of being in the military. Another point was "If gays will be allowed to openly act gay, why should they be allowed to shower with other men?" Basically, its the same idea behind not letting men shower with women. You would be sexually attracted to who you're in the shower with, so it defeats the purpose of separating the men from the women.

[Peter]

These questions are to atheists or anyone who opposes what the bible says is wrong ( lying, killing etc ).

Doc, you lost me right there. Can you reword the statement so it makes some sense?

[barts]

The next question was a point about homosexuality in the military. I was listening to the radio, and an anti-gay politician ( not sure what his name was ) was making a few points. The first one was something along the lines of "People join the army to protect their country, not to have their values changed." Which is exactly what this "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is doing. Conditioning the minds of the soldiers to give up what they already believe in and forcing them to accept something when it has nothing to do with their purpose of being in the military. Another point was "If gays will be allowed to openly act gay, why should they be allowed to shower with other men?" Basically, its the same idea behind not letting men shower with women. You would be sexually attracted to who you're in the shower with, so it defeats the purpose of separating the men from the women.

This reminds me of the arguments that were put forward to oppose black Americans serving alongside whites in the US military.

[Angry Citizen]

Atheists, your argument is that homosexuality isn't wrong just because a group of "sheep herders" a couple thousand years ago said it was. Therefore, if your child wanted to be a homosexual, you would encourage them to be that way.

Well, what about profanity? At some point, some guy ( or group of guys ) declared that terms like "bitch" or "shit" were not proper words to use. Yet, atheists don't approach this idea the same way they approach homosexuality. They will teach their children not to use those words or they will get a spanking or punishment. They don't question why their child shouldn't be able to say those things. They just go along with it. Why is that? Why are you quick to condone homosexuality, but not profanity, when they both, according to atheists, are "wrong" just because someone said they were?

I wouldn't give a shit. I cussed when I was a kid. I'd just let him know that it's not socially acceptable, and that if he wanted to fit in, he could do so by not cursing around adults, and especially towards adults.

The next question was a point about homosexuality in the military. I was listening to the radio, and an anti-gay politician ( not sure what his name was ) was making a few points. The first one was something along the lines of "People join the army to protect their country, not to have their values changed." Which is exactly what this "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is doing. Conditioning the minds of the soldiers to give up what they already believe in and forcing them to accept something when it has nothing to do with their purpose of being in the military. Another point was "If gays will be allowed to openly act gay, why should they be allowed to shower with other men?" Basically, its the same idea behind not letting men shower with women. You would be sexually attracted to who you're in the shower with, so it defeats the purpose of separating the men from the women.

Who cares? It doesn't matter what skin color you are or which chromosomal pattern is displayed by the person you're having sex with. Desegregating the military had profound social ramifications too. It had fuck-all to do with the military's power, too. It was just the right thing to do, and the military is stronger as a result. Same with repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It will happen eventually anyway, because your kind are dinosaurs watching the meteorite fall. Why not now?

By the way, atheists are not synonymous with homosexuals, homosexual activists, or even homosexual supporters. Just like theists are not necessarily synonymous with ignorant bigots who think the world is 6,000 years old.

[Peter]

The "don't ask don't tell" policy is about the only way gays could initially serve in the military without causing personnel and logistics issues. It may still be too early for openly gay people to serve at least in conditions that require communal showers. I think it really does come down to the logistics of how may different bathrooms you would need to have. Let's see, what are the permutations in this problem. Men, Women, Gay Men, Gay Women. Can gay men shower together? Can gay men shower with straight women? Can gay women shower with straight men? Jesus christ, it's just too complicated and I suspect that's the purpose of the don't ask don't tell policy. If people don't know they can't get freaked out.

[Thanatos]

Who says atheists think swearing is super-wrong? Impolite, but not wrong in and of itself.

[Buzz62]

These questions are to atheists or anyone who opposes what the bible says is wrong ( lying, killing etc )

My first question is regarding homosexuality.

Atheists, your argument is that homosexuality isn't wrong just because a group of "sheep herders" a couple thousand years ago said it was. Therefore, if your child wanted to be a homosexual, you would encourage them to be that way.

Your first statement is rather poorly worded but...IF you really think that Christian doctrine and the history of Christianity is not chalk full of killing and lying...then I'd have to ask...Are you REALLY a Doctor?

You make a pretty monumental leap there Doc. You are trying to assert that all atheists would say that homosexuality is not wrong? Have you been finding diplomas in Crackerjack boxes?

If one of my children WAS a homo...because only a closed mind would assert that the sexual preference is solely one of choice...I admit I'd be a bit...confused on how to react at first. But being that we're talkin' 'bout my CHILD...I'd love him or her...and support him or her. Would I encourage the behavior? No, but I wouldn't DIScourage it either...Would you?

Well, what about profanity? At some point, some guy ( or group of guys ) declared that terms like "bitch" or "shit" were not proper words to use. Yet, atheists don't approach this idea the same way they approach homosexuality. They will teach their children not to use those words or they will get a spanking or punishment. They don't question why their child shouldn't be able to say those things. They just go along with it. Why is that? Why are you quick to condone homosexuality, but not profanity, when they both, according to atheists, are "wrong" just because someone said they were?

OK...yer NOT a Doctor at all...are ya...
Dude...if you have trouble distinguishing between the impact of homosexuality and profanity...then I believe there just might be a time-slot for you on FAUX right after Glenn-Baby.

Perhaps we might try to be a little more reasonable when trying to make arguments that we obviously want taken seriously?

The next question was a point about homosexuality in the military. I was listening to the radio, and an anti-gay politician ( not sure what his name was ) was making a few points. The first one was something along the lines of "People join the army to protect their country, not to have their values changed." Which is exactly what this "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is doing. Conditioning the minds of the soldiers to give up what they already believe in and forcing them to accept something when it has nothing to do with their purpose of being in the military. Another point was "If gays will be allowed to openly act gay, why should they be allowed to shower with other men?" Basically, its the same idea behind not letting men shower with women. You would be sexually attracted to who you're in the shower with, so it defeats the purpose of separating the men from the women.

I might have to agree with that.
Lets face it...there are men's and women's showers BECAUSE of sexuality...so it stands to reason that if homos are allowed to be openly homo in the military...there should be some sort of segregated shower facilities...although how that might be set-up escapes me right now...

[Dodds]

Atheists, your argument is that homosexuality isn't wrong just because a group of "sheep herders" a couple thousand years ago said it was. Therefore, if your child wanted to be a homosexual, you would encourage them to be that way.

I would love my child regardless, non argument.

Well, what about profanity? At some point, some guy ( or group of guys ) declared that terms like "bitch" or "shit" were not proper words to use. Yet, atheists don't approach this idea the same way they approach homosexuality. They will teach their children not to use those words or they will get a spanking or punishment. They don't question why their child shouldn't be able to say those things. They just go along with it. Why is that? Why are you quick to condone homosexuality, but not profanity, when they both, according to atheists, are "wrong" just because someone said they were?

Again can you be clear here. It does seem like a rant.

[DoctorBarber]

I wouldn't give a shit. I cussed when I was a kid. I'd just let him know that it's not socially acceptable, and that if he wanted to fit in, he could do so by not cursing around adults, and especially towards adults.

But homosexuality is not socially acceptable in several settings, especially school - a place your child would have to go to almost every day. Would you tell him to freely express his "sexual preference" in spite of this?

Who cares? It doesn't matter what skin color you are or which chromosomal pattern is displayed by the person you're having sex with. Desegregating the military had profound social ramifications too. It had fuck-all to do with the military's power, too. It was just the right thing to do, and the military is stronger as a result. Same with repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell. It will happen eventually anyway, because your kind are dinosaurs watching the meteorite fall. Why not now?

It will happen eventually because the bible you claim is trash said it would happen. Interesting...

By the way, atheists are not synonymous with homosexuals, homosexual activists, or even homosexual supporters.

That is why I said: "These questions are to atheists or anyone who opposes what the bible says is wrong ( lying, killing etc )"

Read carefully.

[DoctorBarber]

Doc, you lost me right there. Can you reword the statement so it makes some sense?

The questions were for atheists or anyone who is in opposition to the King James Bible as far as its teachings on what is right and wrong.

I can't make it any simpler than this.

[DoctorBarber]

This reminds me of the arguments that were put forward to oppose black Americans serving alongside whites in the US military.

Except, people don't choose to be black. People choose to be homosexuals, which makes this situation incomparable to the situation you mentioned.

[Dodds]

The questions were for atheists or anyone who is in opposition to the King James Bible as far as its teachings on what is right and wrong.

I can't make it any simpler than this.

Is smashing your unruly child off a rock till it is dead right or wrong?