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nature of reality · Dec 20, 2003, 01:41 am

honestly, wtf.

If you stop wanting things, then you'll no longer suffer?

Thats is the most retarded thing i have ever heard in my life.

"Hey Frank, my legs are always itchy. What should i do about them?"

"Cut them off, youll never experience the pain of the itch anymore."

Or all that meditation. Sitting on the grass thinkin about the veins on a leaf does JACK CRAP. You still are fat, miserable, or whatever you were, you just have managed to blow 3 hours trying to "empty your mind".

Frankly, that is the exact oposite of what you should be doing...

USING YOUR FRIGGIN MIND TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM

Anarchist Patriot · Dec 20, 2003, 01:56 am

Well, a survey was taken of places where people are most happy and it was found that Nigerians were happiest followed by Mexicans. It seems to me that people with lots of material possessions are often unhappy.

My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there.

Mother Theresa once said that Poverty is something beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. Monks of all faiths take oaths of poverty. Jesus told his followers to renounce their possessions and follow him. What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?

I see it all as the asian view of poverty is that it is a virtue. We westerners have forgotten the virtues of being poor. We want to have the best of everything. The best job, the coolest toys, the fastest car the biggest house etc. But what will it profit you when you die?

nature of reality · Dec 20, 2003, 02:12 am

"Well, a survey was taken of places where people are most happy and it was found that Nigerians were happiest followed by Mexicans. It seems to me that people with lots of material possessions are often unhappy."

Bullshit. How excatly would they measure "happiness"? Do they clamp a diode to my penis and shove a probe up my ass and see how the needle jumps on a graph? So how excatly would they measure "national" happiness?

"My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there."

I bet. Why'd she leave then?

"Mother Theresa once said that Poverty is something beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. Monks of all faiths take oaths of poverty. Jesus told his followers to renounce their possessions and follow him. "

That is because mother theresa and those other mystic worship death and the Zero.

"What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?"

So the way to be truly wealthy is to collect souls?

"I see it all as the asian view of poverty is that it is a virtue. We westerners have forgotten the virtues of being poor. We want to have the best of everything. The best job, the coolest toys, the fastest car the biggest house etc. But what will it profit you when you die? "

What does being poor benefit you die?

I see it as a worship of mediocrity, irrationality, and the ZERO.

G. Adams · Dec 20, 2003, 07:28 am

Buddhism isn't stupid, and you misunderstand what they mean by giving up material wealth.

Its not the giving up of material wealth, they need to eat and stay warm like anyone else, its the attatchment to material things that they try to stop. Look, it goes like this....

You want a car. You work and stress out to get this car. You got it. Now you want a big house. Work and stress out. You get it. You want a new kitchen. Work and stress out. On and on the cycle goes. Your never satisfied, always wanting something else. This is one type of suffering that buddhism highlights. Your always worried and stressed about getting the next trinket.

So buddhism says instead of worrying about all these things, that don't make you happy anyway, just be content. How much more stressfree would your life be if you weren't worried about the next pay raise, or getting new clothes for whatever party, or having the newest car? As long as you have what you need to live, see everything else as a bonus.

Now thats the practical side of buddhism, there is a spiritual side added to the above, but as you opened up with claiming buddhism to be frigging stupid I doubt you'll care.

Oh and this isn't just attatchment to material things, it applies to all things. Even attatchment to striving for enlightenment is a negetive thing. Aim for it yes, or whatever it is your doing, but don't make it such a life goal, when its over you'll be empty and looking for the next goal anyway.

castille · Dec 20, 2003, 09:38 am

I like it how the Tibetian Buddhist leaders get these massive gold temples and wear expensive silk clothes while their people suffer.

I recall the Dalai Lama had absolute control over his people, and ate fine foods, while the common Tibetians starved.

Anarchist Patriot · Dec 21, 2003, 01:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)

I bet. Why'd she leave then?.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
She was there to study. She returned to her native land to teach meditation where she lives now.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)

That is because mother theresa and those other mystic worship death and the Zero. .<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Mother Theresa worshipped Jesus. Are you an athiest or do you just not like Catholics?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)

"What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?"

What does being poor benefit you die?

I see it as a worship of mediocrity, irrationality, and the ZERO.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Read the new testiment.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
I like it how the Tibetian Buddhist leaders get these massive gold temples and wear expensive silk clothes while their people suffer.

I recall the Dalai Lama had absolute control over his people, and ate fine foods, while the common Tibetians starved.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I suppose you believe that domination by the Chinese Communists is preferable to the Dalai Lama.

nature of reality · Dec 21, 2003, 03:39 am

G. Adams: What they advocate is not "don't get bummed if you fail", but rather "don't want (dont' have the DESIRE to TRY)".

There is a major difference; One says you can learn and improve from failure and the other...

the other says its not worth the gamble.

"Mother Theresa worshipped Jesus."

No she was a maggot. She went to India to eat the sores of people. She was drawn to rot and suffering much like that insect. Jesus was the original maggot, who advocated the supremancy of mediocrity and the beauty of death. Sickos both.

"Read the new testiment."

I have. Jesus is an amazing character... the original socialist/communist, he gave us the first rational glimpse of the result of that sick set of beliefs; the Dark Ages.

"Are you an athiest or do you just not like Catholics?"

I don't see the relevence. We are talking about Buddhism (christianity too now), not me.

G. Adams · Dec 21, 2003, 05:46 am

I don't think of myself as an expert on Buddhism, but 3-4 years of studying it, and 2 years of being a buddhist (stopped because I couldn't get buddhism and revolution to be compatible...) did give me some knowledge.

And Buddhism does not reject the will to try, just the attatchment to that trying. Don't hold onto it, or anything, because it is impermanent, and that attatchment leads to suffering.

And the golden rule of buddhism is don't follow what other buddhists, including Sidharta Gautema (the first enlightened one to teach), say just because they tell you to, you have to find everything out for yourself. Treat them as advisors, not instructors.

And Buddhists, like most other religions, recoginise the difference between a monastical following and a normal life. Buddhism suggests that when your ready for the monastical life, whether its this life or another, then go for it, but theres no point till then because it likely won't work. So its not against risk taking, you can take those risks if you want, its no big deal. When your ready to take your buddhism further, do so.

You deem people who help try and relieve others suffering to be maggots? Selflessness makes you a maggot? Your a fucking heartless parasite who has no place in a society. Why don't you fuck off to the mountains and live by yourself if your so damned anti-social?

You don't know shit about history if you think Christianity led to the dark ages. Rome fell because she had overstretched herself, the legions couldn't control the borders and the Visigoths broke through. A corrupt and infighting government couldn't manage the empire. They couldn't look after their own citizens so they were often in rebellion. It is the fate of all empires, they all fall, as will this current US empire.

The "dark ages" were no different for most people as it was under the Romans, they were still all peasents.

The Church abused the peasents, but the church has little to do with Christianity but for marketing purposes. And the Church was no different to the temples before, except being so centralised it, and having churches across Europe, it had vast power, more than any of the kings had.

Dec 21, 2003, 04:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

sounds like communism to me. works in theory, but not in practice :-\

G. Adams · Dec 21, 2003, 07:20 pm

If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project.

nature of reality · Dec 21, 2003, 09:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
I don't think of myself as an expert on Buddhism, but 3-4 years of studying it, and 2 years of being a buddhist (stopped because I couldn't get buddhism and revolution to be compatible...) did give me some knowledge.

And Buddhism does not reject the will to try, just the attatchment to that trying. Don't hold onto it, or anything, because it is impermanent, and that attatchment leads to suffering.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Why don't they just say "don't get bummed if you fail" then? Why is it Don't have the desire to improve yourself? It attacks effort, and their is no way around it.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
And the golden rule of buddhism is don't follow what other buddhists, including Sidharta Gautema (the first enlightened one to teach), say just because they tell you to, you have to find everything out for yourself. Treat them as advisors, not instructors.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

whatever. if it didn't have a set core series of beliefs, it wouldn't be a religon. If that shit is completely true, then im a buddhist, i just don't follow the teachings.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
And Buddhists, like most other religions, recoginise the difference between a monastical following and a normal life. Buddhism suggests that when your ready for the monastical life, whether its this life or another, then go for it, but theres no point till then because it likely won't work. So its not against risk taking, you can take those risks if you want, its no big deal. When your ready to take your buddhism further, do so. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

It says the way to be happy is to not want (or to not have a wish to increase oneself). It states that as an IDEAL. once again, according to this, im a damn good little buddhist.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
You deem people who help try and relieve others suffering to be maggots? Selflessness makes you a maggot? Your a fucking heartless parasite who has no place in a society. Why don't you fuck off to the mountains and live by yourself if your so damned anti-social?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Living off the scabs and sores of others is the definition of a maggot.

Selflessness makes you something worse; a potential mass-murderer.

What makes the fucking rational decisions? Lets not forget that thought is the most private of property, and their can be no "communal thought". So, what makes the god damn decisions? Thats right, the self. Selflessness= Mindlessness. And we both know damn well actions based in irrationality are at best worthless and at worse destructive.

Also, excatly how am I a parasite? Never have I stolen from anyone; In every transaction has my dealing left everyone the richer, as we both CONSENTUALLY agree to terms. I seriously doubt Mother Theresa pulled a profit; I wonder what benefit the persons who she extorted got from her pain-fetish?

And finally on the "fuck off to the mountains". Im not anti-social. It can be highly beneficial to me, as long as it doesnt try to coerce me. Trade of knowledge and speciliztion of labor both help me. But i won't stand for coercion.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
You don't know shit about history if you think Christianity led to the dark ages. Rome fell because she had overstretched herself, the legions couldn't control the borders and the Visigoths broke through. A corrupt and infighting government couldn't manage the empire. They couldn't look after their own citizens so they were often in rebellion. It is the fate of all empires, they all fall, as will this current US empire.

The "dark ages" were no different for most people as it was under the Romans, they were still all peasents. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

have to start calc, be back to respond in maybe 1 hour or so.

Dec 22, 2003, 12:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

just watched anger management.

apparently they dont always work

dannyp · Dec 22, 2003, 03:09 am

how can you label a religion smart or stupid..they're all based on beliefs. i say you as a person are stupid for thinking that the term can be applied to a religion. kthxbye.

Greg Campbell · Dec 22, 2003, 07:39 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,)

Or all that meditation. Sitting on the grass thinkin about the veins on a leaf does JACK CRAP. You still are fat, miserable, or whatever you were, you just have managed to blow 3 hours trying to "empty your mind".

<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Haha that made me laugh, your a typical ignorant human being, dont worry everyone is.. Appreciating life, eg. plants is the natural way to gain energy and feel good. Humans have been cut off from this natural source and the only way we gain energy is to take it off fellow human beings, eg. conflict, arguments, lies etc. When someone says or does something that hurts or embarrasses you it leaves you feeling weak, or confused, because they have stolen some of your energy.

I think buddhism is the only religion that even comes close to reality, every other religion is incredibly stupid. My opinion anyway, im not here to cause arguments. Let people believe what they want to, if it keeps them happy.

dannyp · Dec 22, 2003, 11:55 am

again with 'stupid religions' i mean if you find a religion too abstract/different to grasp, then fucking find a new religion and stop bashing. anyone can go on about ANY particular religion and how false it is because there is no solid coexisting base of truth between you and who you are arguing with.

Greg Campbell · Dec 22, 2003, 12:06 pm

Fair enough dude, as I say its my opinion, chill down a little. Also i dont need to 'find a new religion' I dont follow anyone or anything : )

Dec 23, 2003, 01:09 am

but even that becomes a following of some sort Greg :) Individuality is an illusion

Anarchist Patriot · Dec 23, 2003, 02:14 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
You may call it communism and you would be right. Remember though that the early christian community was a communist society. Read the Acts of the Apostles and you will see that. The early Christians were expected to give all their posession to the church and the church gave the wealth to each according to his or her needs.

nature of reality · Dec 23, 2003, 05:52 pm

Communism does "work", in certain communities for various reasons, such as feudal villages, etc.

But it requires no industrialization. It has NEVER worked in a industrial community, simply because it takes more then mindless action in a industrial community. So yes, it can "work" if you don't mind living in a mud hut covered in fleas and dieing with a crooked back from all that "selfless" labour you have killed yourself with.

G. Adams · Dec 23, 2003, 08:34 pm

Communism can work far better in an industrialised society than an agricultural one as it is better able to provide all the material things we need to survive and enjoy life. However industrialisation has broken people away from their communities and into single, individual units of labour. Many people, you seem a good example of work, don't care about their fellow beings, being so disasociated from them. But as some people rise to the top, the misery of life for the working class will pull them together again, out of neccesity of survival. They will have to come together and fight against the bourgouis, and this will tie them together. When the dust settles they will have to rebuild civilisation on the principles of mutual support, it is that or descend into constant fighting, or worse back into capitalism.

Dec 20, 2003, 01:41 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
nature of reality Molten Ash Posts: 134	honestly, wtf. If you stop wanting things, then you'll no longer suffer? Thats is the most retarded thing i have ever heard in my life. "Hey Frank, my legs are always itchy. What should i do about them?" "Cut them off, youll never experience the pain of the itch anymore." Or all that meditation. Sitting on the grass thinkin about the veins on a leaf does JACK CRAP. You still are fat, miserable, or whatever you were, you just have managed to blow 3 hours trying to "empty your mind". Frankly, that is the exact oposite of what you should be doing... USING YOUR FRIGGIN MIND TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM Whats wrong with Liberty?

Dec 20, 2003, 02:12 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
nature of reality Molten Ash Posts: 134	"Well, a survey was taken of places where people are most happy and it was found that Nigerians were happiest followed by Mexicans. It seems to me that people with lots of material possessions are often unhappy." Bullshit. How excatly would they measure "happiness"? Do they clamp a diode to my penis and shove a probe up my ass and see how the needle jumps on a graph? So how excatly would they measure "national" happiness? "My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there." I bet. Why'd she leave then? "Mother Theresa once said that Poverty is something beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. Monks of all faiths take oaths of poverty. Jesus told his followers to renounce their possessions and follow him. " That is because mother theresa and those other mystic worship death and the Zero. "What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?" So the way to be truly wealthy is to collect souls? "I see it all as the asian view of poverty is that it is a virtue. We westerners have forgotten the virtues of being poor. We want to have the best of everything. The best job, the coolest toys, the fastest car the biggest house etc. But what will it profit you when you die? " What does being poor benefit you die? I see it as a worship of mediocrity, irrationality, and the ZERO. Whats wrong with Liberty?

Dec 20, 2003, 07:28 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Buddhism isn't stupid, and you misunderstand what they mean by giving up material wealth. Its not the giving up of material wealth, they need to eat and stay warm like anyone else, its the attatchment to material things that they try to stop. Look, it goes like this.... You want a car. You work and stress out to get this car. You got it. Now you want a big house. Work and stress out. You get it. You want a new kitchen. Work and stress out. On and on the cycle goes. Your never satisfied, always wanting something else. This is one type of suffering that buddhism highlights. Your always worried and stressed about getting the next trinket. So buddhism says instead of worrying about all these things, that don't make you happy anyway, just be content. How much more stressfree would your life be if you weren't worried about the next pay raise, or getting new clothes for whatever party, or having the newest car? As long as you have what you need to live, see everything else as a bonus. Now thats the practical side of buddhism, there is a spiritual side added to the above, but as you opened up with claiming buddhism to be frigging stupid I doubt you'll care. Oh and this isn't just attatchment to material things, it applies to all things. Even attatchment to striving for enlightenment is a negetive thing. Aim for it yes, or whatever it is your doing, but don't make it such a life goal, when its over you'll be empty and looking for the next goal anyway. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Dec 20, 2003, 09:38 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	I like it how the Tibetian Buddhist leaders get these massive gold temples and wear expensive silk clothes while their people suffer. I recall the Dalai Lama had absolute control over his people, and ate fine foods, while the common Tibetians starved. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Dec 21, 2003, 01:34 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) I bet. Why'd she leave then?.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> She was there to study. She returned to her native land to teach meditation where she lives now. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) That is because mother theresa and those other mystic worship death and the Zero. .<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Mother Theresa worshipped Jesus. Are you an athiest or do you just not like Catholics? </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) "What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul?" What does being poor benefit you die? I see it as a worship of mediocrity, irrationality, and the ZERO.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Read the new testiment. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) I like it how the Tibetian Buddhist leaders get these massive gold temples and wear expensive silk clothes while their people suffer. I recall the Dalai Lama had absolute control over his people, and ate fine foods, while the common Tibetians starved.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I suppose you believe that domination by the Chinese Communists is preferable to the Dalai Lama.

Dec 20, 2003, 01:56 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	Well, a survey was taken of places where people are most happy and it was found that Nigerians were happiest followed by Mexicans. It seems to me that people with lots of material possessions are often unhappy. My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there. Mother Theresa once said that Poverty is something beautiful and nothing to be ashamed of. Monks of all faiths take oaths of poverty. Jesus told his followers to renounce their possessions and follow him. What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul? I see it all as the asian view of poverty is that it is a virtue. We westerners have forgotten the virtues of being poor. We want to have the best of everything. The best job, the coolest toys, the fastest car the biggest house etc. But what will it profit you when you die?

Dec 21, 2003, 03:39 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
nature of reality Molten Ash Posts: 134	G. Adams: What they advocate is not "don't get bummed if you fail", but rather "don't want (dont' have the DESIRE to TRY)". There is a major difference; One says you can learn and improve from failure and the other... the other says its not worth the gamble. "Mother Theresa worshipped Jesus." No she was a maggot. She went to India to eat the sores of people. She was drawn to rot and suffering much like that insect. Jesus was the original maggot, who advocated the supremancy of mediocrity and the beauty of death. Sickos both. "Read the new testiment." I have. Jesus is an amazing character... the original socialist/communist, he gave us the first rational glimpse of the result of that sick set of beliefs; the Dark Ages. "Are you an athiest or do you just not like Catholics?" I don't see the relevence. We are talking about Buddhism (christianity too now), not me. Whats wrong with Liberty?

Dec 21, 2003, 05:46 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	I don't think of myself as an expert on Buddhism, but 3-4 years of studying it, and 2 years of being a buddhist (stopped because I couldn't get buddhism and revolution to be compatible...) did give me some knowledge. And Buddhism does not reject the will to try, just the attatchment to that trying. Don't hold onto it, or anything, because it is impermanent, and that attatchment leads to suffering. And the golden rule of buddhism is don't follow what other buddhists, including Sidharta Gautema (the first enlightened one to teach), say just because they tell you to, you have to find everything out for yourself. Treat them as advisors, not instructors. And Buddhists, like most other religions, recoginise the difference between a monastical following and a normal life. Buddhism suggests that when your ready for the monastical life, whether its this life or another, then go for it, but theres no point till then because it likely won't work. So its not against risk taking, you can take those risks if you want, its no big deal. When your ready to take your buddhism further, do so. You deem people who help try and relieve others suffering to be maggots? Selflessness makes you a maggot? Your a fucking heartless parasite who has no place in a society. Why don't you fuck off to the mountains and live by yourself if your so damned anti-social? You don't know shit about history if you think Christianity led to the dark ages. Rome fell because she had overstretched herself, the legions couldn't control the borders and the Visigoths broke through. A corrupt and infighting government couldn't manage the empire. They couldn't look after their own citizens so they were often in rebellion. It is the fate of all empires, they all fall, as will this current US empire. The "dark ages" were no different for most people as it was under the Romans, they were still all peasents. The Church abused the peasents, but the church has little to do with Christianity but for marketing purposes. And the Church was no different to the temples before, except being so centralised it, and having churches across Europe, it had vast power, more than any of the kings had. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Dec 21, 2003, 04:04 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gregory Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by My mother in law studdied Buddism and she told me that when you enter a Buddist community, you give up everything to the community as a whole. Nobody competes for what they want or need. All is provided. All individuals share work. And the community celibrates joy together. Every day is a celibration. She said that she was never as happy as when she was there.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> sounds like communism to me. works in theory, but not in practice :-\

Dec 21, 2003, 07:20 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Dec 21, 2003, 09:31 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
nature of reality Molten Ash Posts: 134	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by I don't think of myself as an expert on Buddhism, but 3-4 years of studying it, and 2 years of being a buddhist (stopped because I couldn't get buddhism and revolution to be compatible...) did give me some knowledge. And Buddhism does not reject the will to try, just the attatchment to that trying. Don't hold onto it, or anything, because it is impermanent, and that attatchment leads to suffering.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Why don't they just say "don't get bummed if you fail" then? Why is it Don't have the desire to improve yourself? It attacks effort, and their is no way around it. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by And the golden rule of buddhism is don't follow what other buddhists, including Sidharta Gautema (the first enlightened one to teach), say just because they tell you to, you have to find everything out for yourself. Treat them as advisors, not instructors.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> whatever. if it didn't have a set core series of beliefs, it wouldn't be a religon. If that shit is completely true, then im a buddhist, i just don't follow the teachings. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by And Buddhists, like most other religions, recoginise the difference between a monastical following and a normal life. Buddhism suggests that when your ready for the monastical life, whether its this life or another, then go for it, but theres no point till then because it likely won't work. So its not against risk taking, you can take those risks if you want, its no big deal. When your ready to take your buddhism further, do so. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It says the way to be happy is to not want (or to not have a wish to increase oneself). It states that as an IDEAL. once again, according to this, im a damn good little buddhist. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by You deem people who help try and relieve others suffering to be maggots? Selflessness makes you a maggot? Your a fucking heartless parasite who has no place in a society. Why don't you fuck off to the mountains and live by yourself if your so damned anti-social?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Living off the scabs and sores of others is the definition of a maggot. Selflessness makes you something worse; a potential mass-murderer. What makes the fucking rational decisions? Lets not forget that thought is the most private of property, and their can be no "communal thought". So, what makes the god damn decisions? Thats right, the self. Selflessness= Mindlessness. And we both know damn well actions based in irrationality are at best worthless and at worse destructive. Also, excatly how am I a parasite? Never have I stolen from anyone; In every transaction has my dealing left everyone the richer, as we both CONSENTUALLY agree to terms. I seriously doubt Mother Theresa pulled a profit; I wonder what benefit the persons who she extorted got from her pain-fetish? And finally on the "fuck off to the mountains". Im not anti-social. It can be highly beneficial to me, as long as it doesnt try to coerce me. Trade of knowledge and speciliztion of labor both help me. But i won't stand for coercion. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by You don't know shit about history if you think Christianity led to the dark ages. Rome fell because she had overstretched herself, the legions couldn't control the borders and the Visigoths broke through. A corrupt and infighting government couldn't manage the empire. They couldn't look after their own citizens so they were often in rebellion. It is the fate of all empires, they all fall, as will this current US empire. The "dark ages" were no different for most people as it was under the Romans, they were still all peasents. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> have to start calc, be back to respond in maybe 1 hour or so. Whats wrong with Liberty?

Dec 22, 2003, 12:57 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Gregory Guest Posts: n/a	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> just watched anger management. apparently they dont always work

Dec 22, 2003, 03:09 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	how can you label a religion smart or stupid..they're all based on beliefs. i say you as a person are stupid for thinking that the term can be applied to a religion. kthxbye. projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com

Dec 22, 2003, 07:39 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Greg Campbell Sedimentary Rock Posts: 5	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (nature of reality,) Or all that meditation. Sitting on the grass thinkin about the veins on a leaf does JACK CRAP. You still are fat, miserable, or whatever you were, you just have managed to blow 3 hours trying to "empty your mind". <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Haha that made me laugh, your a typical ignorant human being, dont worry everyone is.. Appreciating life, eg. plants is the natural way to gain energy and feel good. Humans have been cut off from this natural source and the only way we gain energy is to take it off fellow human beings, eg. conflict, arguments, lies etc. When someone says or does something that hurts or embarrasses you it leaves you feeling weak, or confused, because they have stolen some of your energy. I think buddhism is the only religion that even comes close to reality, every other religion is incredibly stupid. My opinion anyway, im not here to cause arguments. Let people believe what they want to, if it keeps them happy.

Dec 22, 2003, 11:55 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	again with 'stupid religions' i mean if you find a religion too abstract/different to grasp, then fucking find a new religion and stop bashing. anyone can go on about ANY particular religion and how false it is because there is no solid coexisting base of truth between you and who you are arguing with. projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com

Dec 22, 2003, 12:06 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Greg Campbell Sedimentary Rock Posts: 5	Fair enough dude, as I say its my opinion, chill down a little. Also i dont need to 'find a new religion' I dont follow anyone or anything : )

Dec 23, 2003, 01:09 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	but even that becomes a following of some sort Greg :) Individuality is an illusion

Dec 23, 2003, 02:14 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) If buddhist communities are examples of communism then communism does work, because those communities do work, I've been to a few and everyones happy. But the thing is people come to those communities entirely voluntarily. Another reason to support my breakaway project.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You may call it communism and you would be right. Remember though that the early christian community was a communist society. Read the Acts of the Apostles and you will see that. The early Christians were expected to give all their posession to the church and the church gave the wealth to each according to his or her needs.

Dec 23, 2003, 05:52 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
nature of reality Molten Ash Posts: 134	Communism does "work", in certain communities for various reasons, such as feudal villages, etc. But it requires no industrialization. It has NEVER worked in a industrial community, simply because it takes more then mindless action in a industrial community. So yes, it can "work" if you don't mind living in a mud hut covered in fleas and dieing with a crooked back from all that "selfless" labour you have killed yourself with. Whats wrong with Liberty?

Dec 23, 2003, 08:34 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Communism can work far better in an industrialised society than an agricultural one as it is better able to provide all the material things we need to survive and enjoy life. However industrialisation has broken people away from their communities and into single, individual units of labour. Many people, you seem a good example of work, don't care about their fellow beings, being so disasociated from them. But as some people rise to the top, the misery of life for the working class will pull them together again, out of neccesity of survival. They will have to come together and fight against the bourgouis, and this will tie them together. When the dust settles they will have to rebuild civilisation on the principles of mutual support, it is that or descend into constant fighting, or worse back into capitalism. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill