The King of Heaven & The Humble Son of Man

[An American 1st]

Growing up in a Church for nearly 20 years that teaches the Trinity as the Bible does. I don't know everything, not even close to that. But I have been on missions trips to both Mexico and the Czech Republic. I after also having debated with individuals at the community college I attended about Christianity and other things and seeing healings and miracles etc. I'd say I have a decent world view and understanding of the real spiritual struggle. But me and a lot of my fellow christian posters on this forum have taken flack for people who have done crime in the name of God. We've been called many things without such accusations even being proven. So In short I would like to correct the misconception of what being Christlike means. Or Ask me any question about the Bible whether it be about the End of the World or anything that may not make sense. I like I said before don't know everything, but I know a lot about my faith and how real it is. I also invite my fellow Christian posters to answer questions if you wish.

[Jack]

But me and a lot of my fellow christian posters on this forum have taken flack for people who have done crime in the name of God. We've been called many things without such accusations even being proven.

That's hardly a unique experience. Have you read what Christians here and elsewhere on-line have posted, ignorantly may I add, about atheists and Muslims?

[Angry Citizen]

Growing up in a Church for nearly 20 years that teaches the Trinity as the Bible does. I don't know everything, not even close to that. But I have been on missions trips to both Mexico and the Czech Republic. I after also having debated with individuals at the community college I attended about Christianity and other things and seeing healings and miracles etc. I'd say I have a decent world view and understanding of the real spiritual struggle. But me and a lot of my fellow christian posters on this forum have taken flack for people who have done crime in the name of God. We've been called many things without such accusations even being proven. So In short I would like to correct the misconception of what being Christlike means. Or Ask me any question about the Bible whether it be about the End of the World or anything that may not make sense. I like I said before don't know everything, but I know a lot about my faith and how real it is. I also invite my fellow Christian posters to answer questions if you wish.

Is it true that Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill the law -- presumably old testament law?

[An American 1st]

That's hardly a unique experience. Have you read what Christians here and elsewhere on-line have posted, ignorantly may I add, about atheists and Muslims?

True. But personally whenever I see that I've made a false assuption I move past the continuation of name calling and grouping and try to understand a particular view of a individual. Thats the only way debate can be constructive. Also I don't try to bring up what the nutcases in their group have done.

[DavidSupreme]

Growing up in a Church for nearly 20 years that teaches the Trinity as the Bible does. I don't know everything, not even close to that.

Do you know about the fact of evolution? Or more relevant, perhaps, the history of your religion? How it came to be and how religion evolved out of mans mind?

But I have been on missions trips to both Mexico and the Czech Republic. I after also having debated with individuals at the community college I attended about Christianity and other things and seeing healings and miracles etc.

Impressive, if you seen miracles, why haven't you share it with the scientific world? It would destroy everything we know about the world as well as your specific religion would become the most prominent one when the entire secular world would accept it as evidence would be provided.

Why haven't you?

I'd say I have a decent world view and understanding of the real spiritual struggle.

Strange, struggle? I always seen secular people being oppressed, and here you are a Christian talking about struggle, one of the most dominant and oppressive religions in the world, perhaps I misunderstood.

But me and a lot of my fellow christian posters on this forum have taken flack for people who have done crime in the name of God.

So people killing (which the Christian doctrines tells you to do) is not a godly thing? And people doing so is following a false god? Could you explain?

We've been called many things without such accusations even being proven.

Usually it is none-Christian being executed for not accepting the things you stated but now I hear about Christians being called names and accused of things by Secular people? Mind telling us more about it sounds horrible.

So In short I would like to correct the misconception of what being Christlike means.

Beating your wife? Murdering people not accepting your religion? pedophilia?

All this is from your Doctrines the Holy Bible, is this not Christlike? You do not follow the Bible then?

Or Ask me any question about the Bible whether it be about the End of the World or anything that may not make sense.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

OK to kill homosexuals or a "man lies with a male"?
What is your "opinion" on this? (I say opinion as this is facts stated in the bible, so I want to know if you agree with this or violate the biblical word).


I also wonder about my wife, she is my property correct? So I was curious, if she does not satisfy me sexually, can I sell her and get a new wife, or perhaps beat her up a bit to make her understand that it is important to please me?

Your cunning word about this would really help as my wife is Christian by birth, I was thinking about beating her as a good christian, so please advice on best cours of action.

I like I said before don't know everything, but I know a lot about my faith and how real it is. I also invite my fellow Christian posters to answer questions if you wish.

You can believe whatever you want, this does not make it real. Yes "real" in a subjective narrow minded sense, your faith is "real" in that you "have faith", but gods or fairies do not magically appear, you believe what you believe because that is what your parents and culture put in you, you may never had access to good education teaching you about the real world like evolution, human history and so on, because then, if naturally intelligent, you would know what you been told is false and your parents/culture is not very intelligent.

If you want to break free, education is the key, if education do not work (limited intellect or cant handle the truth) there is not much to do other then NOT have children as you are very likely to destroy their lives as well.

[An American 1st]

Is it true that Jesus said he came not to destroy the law but to fulfill the law -- presumably old testament law?

Yes it is, Jesus was trying to explain to the Pharisees the concept of grace through His name. Pharisees were very learned in the Law and teachings of Moses. The Laws were given by God to Moses to teach men righteousness. But keep in mind the Messiah was prophecied to come who would show men all truth long before. So He is sitting there telling the Pharisees "I'm am He" But they are expecting a bigger and more brillant coming of the Messiah.

They still think their works will save them but they thought they set the standard not God. Wicked sinners were more ready to believe in Jesus than even the teachers of God's Law so Jesus spent more time with sinners. Saying "Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand" . So the pharisees in their self-righteous manner accused Jesus because of His association with sinners. So they slandered Him as a false prophet because they thought he was trying to undo the Law of Moses. So Jesus proclaimed "Don't think that I have come to do away with the Law but to fulfill it"! The Law alone could never save It was grace the necessary and missing ingredient that had to be added. Jesus also said in these Two Commands one would sucessfully fulfill all the Law and its requirements 1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart ("if you love Me you will obey My Words). 2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

[Angry Citizen]

Jesus also said in these Two Commands one would sucessfully fulfill all the Law and its requirements 1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart ("if you love Me you will obey My Words). 2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Where did he say that? How did you arrive at that from the obvious scriptural interpretation which states that old testament law in all its grittiness and immorality is still in effect?

[An American 1st]

Where did he say that? How did you arrive at that from the obvious scriptural interpretation which states that old testament law in all its grittiness and immorality is still in effect?

John 1:17 For while the Law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Matthew 22: 37-40
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.

John 14:15
If you love Me you will keep My commands.

[Angry Citizen]

John 1:17 For while the Law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Then Jesus was lying?

Matthew 22: 37-40
Jesus said unto him, thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.

Then Jesus was lying? Just what 'law' was he referring to have not abolished? Just what 'law' is he fulfilling? Matthew is not Jesus. His words are secondary to what Jesus says.

John 14:15
If you love Me you will keep My commands.

That doesn't contradict old testament law, however.

[An American 1st]

Then Jesus was lying?



Then Jesus was lying? Just what 'law' was he referring to have not abolished? Just what 'law' is he fulfilling? Matthew is not Jesus. His words are secondary to what Jesus says.



That doesn't contradict old testament law, however.

John 1:17 For while the Law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Grace and truth did complete the Law!

For Example: Matthew 5:21 (Jesus said) You have heard it was said to the men of old, You shall not kill and whoever kills shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court. :22, But I say to you that whovever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of the judgement...

Matthew 5:27 You have heard it said, You shall not commit adultery. :28, But I say to you that everyone who so much as looks at another woman with evil desire for her has already commited adultery with her in his heart.

This is the truth and fulfillment John 1:17 was talking about!

[Angry Citizen]

John 1:17 For while the Law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Grace and truth did complete the Law!

What makes you think John has anything to say about this?

For Example: Matthew 5:21 (Jesus said) You have heard it was said to the men of old, You shall not kill and whoever kills shall be liable to and unable to escape the punishment imposed by the court. :22, But I say to you that whovever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of the judgement...

So Jesus addeth to the law. He does not taketh away.

[An American 1st]

What makes you think John has anything to say about this?



So Jesus addeth to the law. He does not taketh away.

So am I not to believe a first hand news reporter just because I didn't witness it. John spent years with Jesus.

Jesus added love and faithfulness to the Law! Grace as a result of His death! Sinners are who Jesus came to save. And His Laws are not grievious!