A Dangerous Proposition

[An American 1st]

No, I am not. A fetus can only be a potential criminal just like it's a potential person.



I didn't say it was limited to that. Why don't you try arguing with what I actually did say.



I provided you with the research that says it has indeed lowered crime rates. What do you have to back up your position besides moral outrage?

You said " A fetus can only be a potential criminal". Can it have potential for anything else? I'm quite certain they have!
Its true that Genocide hides behind the Cloak of Propaganda of Fear, Grouping and labeling one class of people as a risk to society, and the false promise of a perfect society.

[An American 1st]

Actually it's not murder, it's just homicide. Murder implies unlawful killing and as it is not against the law...

Right on man! You're exactly right! Finally, a opinion thats from wisdom not google search! We all know you can pretty much find any "facts" you want there right!

[RhettAllen]

Right on man! You're exactly right! Finally, a opinion thats from wisdom not google search! We all know you can pretty much find any "facts" you want there right!

Not sure what you're getting at. He corrected someone and I thought it'd be funny if I corrected him as well.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question.

As I do not want to assume anything. Before debating on my assumptions, could you tell me if you are for or against drugs as far as their legal standings?

[An American 1st]

Not sure what you're getting at. He corrected someone and I thought it'd be funny if I corrected him as well.

Anyway, you didn't answer my question.

Only drugs (medications) healing, sustaining, etc. ..... And I'm not against morning after pills. My view on abortion are based in post-conception. No recreational use of drugs as well.

[seyorni]

But morning after pills prevent implantation of post-conception zygotes -- baby foetuses.

Are Levitt and Sailer advocating abortion or simply reporting disturbing facts, American 1st?

[RhettAllen]

Only drugs (medications) healing, sustaining, etc. ..... And I'm not against morning after pills. My view on abortion are based in post-conception. No recreational use of drugs as well.

What is/are your major reasons against harder drugs?

[Angry Citizen]

You said " A fetus can only be a potential criminal". Can it have potential for anything else? I'm quite certain they have!
Its true that Genocide hides behind the Cloak of Propaganda of Fear, Grouping and labeling one class of people as a risk to society, and the false promise of a perfect society.

Who cares? By your definitions, every time a woman goes on her period, it's a f'ing genocide. I say Roe v. Wade is a great idea. I think Bush's correlary ending partial birth abortion is moral. If the fetus has a solid chance of surviving outside the womb, it ceases to be a question of abortion and becomes a question of murder.

[big_lefty]

You said " A fetus can only be a potential criminal". Can it have potential for anything else? I'm quite certain they have!
Its true that Genocide hides behind the Cloak of Propaganda of Fear, Grouping and labeling one class of people as a risk to society, and the false promise of a perfect society.

Of course it has potential for other things. So? You can't murder potential. You can only murder a person.

Genocide is the systematic killing of an ethnic group of ~sentient people~. A fetus is neither sentient nor a person.

[An American 1st]

What is/are your major reasons against harder drugs?

They are not feotuses. They cause people to act unruly and violent. they are known to damage the body and affect the mind in dramatic ways. Availability and legality equals more users and more abusers. The troublesome effects they have on society is not in question.

[Cephus]

Actually would have is just what would have means. Your logic is saying a fetus has no potential of birth!

If it's aborted, it doesn't. If it miscarries, it doesn't. A fetus may be born, it may not. The overwhelming majority of fertilized eggs are flushed out of a woman's body by natural processes without her ever knowing about it.

Did you have a point?

[An American 1st]

Of course it has potential for other things. So? You can't murder potential. You can only murder a person.

Genocide is the systematic killing of an ethnic group of ~sentient people~. A fetus is neither sentient nor a person.

You are murdering a pre-mature infant and a developing person. A baby whether in or out of the womb don't make any decisions they just cry, kick, and feed. We care for them and love them because they have potential. But abortion is indeed killing both a living being and its potential simutaneously!

[RhettAllen]

They are not fetuses. They cause people to act unruly and violent. they are known to damage the body and affect the mind in dramatic ways. Availability and legality equals more users and more abusers. The troublesome effects they have on society is not in question.

See now it's here where I don't understand your duality. You are getting rid of something based on statistics in one case but not another.