God on gays - whadaya think?

[Nightwriter]

So let's talk about homosexuality in the Bible.

Where exactly does it condemn homosexuality? Does it condemn it outright? Is the passage interpretive?

Is there anything at all about homosexuality in the New Testament?

Are you a Christian? If you are, how do you feel about the Bible's take on gays? Do you agree? Do you disagree but adhere anyway to be a good Christian?

[ruksak]

So let's talk about homosexuality in the Bible.

Where exactly does it condemn homosexuality? Does it condemn it outright? Is the passage interpretive?

Is there anything at all about homosexuality in the New Testament?

Are you a Christian? If you are, how do you feel about the Bible's take on gays? Do you agree? Do you disagree but adhere anyway to be a good Christian?

Leviticus speaks toward this: Leviticus 20:13: Concerning homosexuality

"And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them."

The New Testament speaks volumes as to why Christianity has but a fraction of the integrity that Islam contains. Because they did not soften their holy text to be more in-step with modern times as we see with Christian holy text.

[Nightwriter]

Define "integrity".

[Jack]

It should be obvious from a reading of the relevant passages in both the Old and New Testament that the Bible does not address homosexuality as we understand it today but rather homosexual behavior. It says nothing about whether the person performing those behaviors is homosexual by orientation, heterosexual or bisexual, as orientation and the gradient between exclusively homosexual and exclusively heterosexual was unknown in that time. The Bible also fails to mention female homo or bisexuality.

All the Bible writers were aware of was the practice of a man lying with another man as he would with a woman. We are left to imagine any sexual activity since the Bible is too delicate to be specific. This activity is still known to occur in the Middle East among men who identify themselves as heterosexual and think nothing is abnormal about it. The Bible is not a medical or psychological text. It is a book of stories intended to preserve the mores and beliefs of a particular society. Its intended audience were simple people who thought that disease was caused by demons and that homosexual behavior was wrong. They had no comprehension of sexual orientation or microbes.

[ruksak]

Define "integrity".

I used it as the dictionary defines it:

1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility
2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness
3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided

Emboldened are the applicable definitions.

The Christian bible has always been in transition, often compromising its original translations. Islam gets more respect from me because, despite it being just another ridiculous attempt to explain that which cannot be explained, it retains its original values and the translations aren't up for debate, progression or transition. Islam is what it is. Christianity/catholosism....well there are now gay priests and preachers.

[ruksak]

It should be obvious from a reading of the relevant passages in both the Old and New Testament that the Bible does not address homosexuality as we understand it today but rather homosexual behavior. It says nothing about whether the person performing those behaviors is homosexual by orientation, heterosexual or bisexual, as orientation and the gradient between exclusively homosexual and exclusively heterosexual was unknown in that time. The Bible also fails to mention female homo or bisexuality.

All the Bible writers were aware of was the practice of a man lying with another man as he would with a woman. We are left to imagine any sexual activity since the Bible is too delicate to be specific. This activity is still known to occur in the Middle East among men who identify themselves as heterosexual and think nothing is abnormal about it. The Bible is not a medical or psychological text. It is a book of stories intended to preserve the mores and beliefs of a particular society. Its intended audience were simple people who thought that disease was caused by demons and that homosexual behavior was wrong. They had no comprehension of sexual orientation or microbes.

hmmm...Ya know, I never thought of the whole "lack-o-lesbos" in the bible. No wonder I never took to it.

[Nightwriter]

Lol. Really? I often criticize Islam for that very fact - the ignorant or prejudicial beliefs of the time period in which it was created cannot be tempered by modern enlightenment because the religion is set in stone and can never change.

While this means their beliefs are consistent and unchanging, it also unfortunately means that women are to be lesser than men forever.

[Affluence]

So let's talk about homosexuality in the Bible.

Where exactly does it condemn homosexuality? Does it condemn it outright? Is the passage interpretive?

Is there anything at all about homosexuality in the New Testament?

Are you a Christian? If you are, how do you feel about the Bible's take on gays? Do you agree? Do you disagree but adhere anyway to be a good Christian?

Some would say its a bit silly to quote the Bible like that word for word. The Bible is a guide. It is a guide to be able to live a fruitful life; something we seem to be largely in lack of today as we have changed God for materialism.

Also, we will not stone to death our wife on our wedding night at her fathers doorstep if she is not a virgin. It simply means they had large egos and were easily offended back then.

To answer your real question, I believe only in Leviticus does it condemn gay sex and bestiality but not lesbianism. So lesbian porn is good ( I think) .

The new Testament doesn't condem gays. That's because Jesus had a brain. See! Jesus accepts EVERYONE. Read the book you will be amazed. Religion is on it's way to accept all people. Weather they are rich or poor. Gay or straight. Healthy or sick. ect. Give em some time yet. We have girl alter boys now. The church is changing. The whole world is moving to one united religion. Over 4 billion people now worship the God of Abraham. It is only a matter of time. Some things just take time. Have patience and pray.Peace.

[Nightwriter]

Ah, your post gives me hope.

I've spent my time around Christians who say that the Bible is to be followed and there's to be none of this messing around with "oh, that was just the times back then". The Bible is the Bible. It's not written in ink for you to disregard.

So thanks.

[theophilus]

So let's talk about homosexuality in the Bible.

Where exactly does it condemn homosexuality? Does it condemn it outright? Is the passage interpretive?

Genesis 2:24 says "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Jesus quoted this statement in Matthew 19:5 as referring to marriage and Paul quoted it in 1 Corinthians 6:16 as referring to the act of sexual intercourse. This shows that God intended for sexual activity to be limited to a man and woman who were married to each other. Since homosexual activity doesn't fit this description then it is against God's laws.

Is there anything at all about homosexuality in the New Testament?

Romans 1:26,27 says

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Are you a Christian? If you are, how do you feel about the Bible's take on gays? Do you agree? Do you disagree but adhere anyway to be a good Christian?

I am a Christian and I agree with what the Bible says. First Corinthians 6:9-11 says

Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This teaches three things about homosexual action: It is a sin, it is on the same level of other sins and not particularly worse the the others, and like others sins it can be forgiven.

I have discussed this subject in more detail here:

Warning To Gays - Christian Doctrine Discussion, Debate Forums, Christian Blogs and Chat Rooms

[Nightwriter]

What, exactly, is so wrong with homosexuality?

Jesus also spoke at length about how eunuchs were to be shown compassion and understanding. He said not everyone could accept the word. He identifies many types of eunuchs. A "born" eunuch, for example, which many believe refers to a homosexual.

[NoJingoLingo]

Genesis 2:24 says "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." Jesus quoted this statement in Matthew 19:5 as referring to marriage and Paul quoted it in 1 Corinthians 6:16 as referring to the act of sexual intercourse. This shows that God intended for sexual activity to be limited to a man and woman who were married to each other. Since homosexual activity doesn't fit this description then it is against God's laws.

Romans 1:26,27 says

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I am a Christian and I agree with what the Bible says. First Corinthians 6:9-11 says

Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[SIZE=2] [/SIZE]nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SIZE=2] [/SIZE]And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

This teaches three things about homosexual action: It is a sin, it is on the same level of other sins and not particularly worse the the others, and like others sins it can be forgiven.

I have discussed this subject in more detail here:

Warning To Gays - Christian Doctrine Discussion, Debate Forums, Christian Blogs and Chat Rooms

So then you MUST agree with everything in the bible because it would be a an unrepented sin (for which there is no salvation) for you not to adhere to it to the letter. You can't pick and choose which parts to follow. Is this correct or not?