What makes you atheists so sure there isn't a God? Any Christian input?

[yukonmuffin]

Once a man invited an atheist to a debate on the existence of God. The time and place was set.

The atheist reached there on time, but the believer did not make it on time.

The atheist thought to himself that perhaps the believer was afraid of failure because it was difficult to prove God’s existence anyway.

He waited longer just to make sure. And the believer reached the place at last.
The atheist asked why you came so late.

The believer said while coming here I had to cross a river, but I had no boat. So, I was stuck. But then suddenly a tree was miraculously cut down by itself, the wood was made out into a boat, and all of this happened miraculously.

The atheist laughed at him and said: ‘That’s nonsense, how could all that happen. A boat cannot be made by itself. That's illogical.’

The believer told him: “That’s exactly what I am trying to suggest. If a boat cannot come into existence all by itself then how can a thing such as the Universe come into being by itself.”

Where do I begin with the fallacies? First up a boat is not a universe, the metaphor isn't even close to relevant.
Secondly, God apparently makes things out of nothing: Are you saying God doesn't exist either?
Finally, A knowledgeable atheist will tell you that everything came from something. An even more knowledgeable one will tell you how; All up until the point of what seemed like a singularity. After that, who knows? A God is a possibility, but not a very likely one. Maybe one day our eye will expand it's gaze.

[yukonmuffin]

second off did you forget it was the snake in the guardian that tempted Adam to eat the fruit?

No it wasn't, the evil woman did it.

And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
-Genesis 3:6

According to the bible, woman should be kept in their place because it's their fault we're in this shit.

[Maryjane]

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Jack, this is almost like a difference between murder and self-defense. If someone threatened me in a parking lot with a knife and was going to attack me with it and I had my gun and shot him dead in self defense. See the difference? If anyone doesn't agree with me on this then you are either a liberal, closed minded or both.

Why not just tell him to drop the knife and lay down on the ground or you'll shoot him? You're the one with the more powerful weapon and as such, more in control of the situation. You don't HAVE to shoot him.

In all actuality Christians shouldn't be debating with none-believers since the bible states that you just plant the seed and you have to let it grow. You know the word, and I should just walk away from this, but I won't since I choose not too. :)

Proselytizing? Gotta love the internet....it's a whole lot easier than going door to door. If your method of recruitment entails the avocation of unnecessary killing and calling people closed minded liberals because they disagree with you, you might as well plant your seeds elsewhere.

[Maryjane]

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No it wasn't, the evil woman did it.

heh....bitches get stitches!

According to the bible, woman should be kept in their place because it's their fault we're in this shit.

Adam was her protector, he must have taken the day off.

[Angry Citizen]

I was on Fox News.com today reading an article about atheists 'de-baptizing' by fanning themselves with a blow dryer. In the comments section of the article (always a laugh), many people were denouncing atheists as mouthy, incapable of just shutting up and leaving 'us good Christians to our beliefs'. It is hilarious that Volconvo alone has numerous Christians who are doing far more than merely engaging in a funny ritualistic cleansing of Christianity to spread their message. We atheists should just shut up and be left to our own 'seed'; the Christians, however, need to evangelize. Honestly, it reminds me of Fenrir Greyback in Harry Potter: An insufferable need to spread the infection as far as possible, and woe to anyone who spreads anything remotely like a competitive infection.

[ensayne]

Given that there is zero evidence of Jesus recorded during his lifetime, I don't think Christians need to worry greatly about an individual who may never have existed in the first place.

The character Jesus may simply be an amalgam of a number of messianic rabbis who lived during the period.

Links please. There is a difference between saying Jesus didn't exist in the first place and Jesus wasn't the Son of God, etc. As far as I know, most historians do not doubt his existence.

[LanguageGames86]

Because a wave is more complicated than the universe. Even basic fluid dynamics requires a shitload of vector calculus. The vast majority of forces at work in the universe can be explained through the use of an introductory physics book.

A wave is more complicated than the universe?

Are you sure about that?

How could a wave be more complicated than the universe if it is part of the universe?

Seriously....come on.

I understand that weather patterns are extremely complex...and are probably one of the most complicated aspects of things we study in the universe...but it is absurd to say that waves are more complex than the universe.

I think that you should think a little more before you give such a weak response.

[Angry Citizen]

Typically when we discuss the universe, we're discussing macroscopic cosmic phenomenon, not the actions of all that are contained within.

[LanguageGames86]

Oh really...then what about the singularities?

[LanguageGames86]

Typically when we discuss the universe, we're discussing macroscopic cosmic phenomenon, not the actions of all that are contained within.

Anyone who's ever taken an astronomy class studies a little more than just macroscopic phenomena. Don't be so simplistic in your categories.

[Angry Citizen]

We do not yet know the behavior of a singularity. For all we know, the mathematics necessary to describe it are extremely simple. I daresay trying to model the behavior of a wave is more complicated than the actions of a singularity. We have infinitely more examples of known waves than known singularities, and the waves don't even have the cloak of the light barrier to hide behind.

[LanguageGames86]

We do not yet know the behavior of a singularity. For all we know, the mathematics necessary to describe it are extremely simple. I daresay trying to model the behavior of a wave is more complicated than the actions of a singularity. We have infinitely more examples of known waves than known singularities, and the waves don't even have the cloak of the light barrier to hide behind.

Ok. I know we don't know the behavior of the singularity. The point was...in the studying of the universe we are not restricted to studying macroscopic phenomena.

Trying to model a wave is complicated because of the "butterfly effect". I'm sure you understand this. It is the problem of those minute causes that lead to such grand effects in the future that cause the deterministic system to be unpredictable.

Whether or not a singularity is more complicated than a wave...I would just say that singularity is just more mysterious to us as of now because we lack the mathematics to know what goes on in it.