Jewish question.

[Inquisitor]

I understand that most of you have no doubt whatsoever that one cannot generalise about a whole race/ethnicity. Especially when it comes to jews.
And I agree. I am far from saying that every single jew is personification of evil. In fact I have friends who are jews.

Yet whenever a word jew is said, a word anti-semite comes to mind. Why is this so? Why is it that in any country where jews would take residence, anti semitism woould follow? Why it has been the case for thousands of years? If anti-semitism is without merit, a mere superstition and bigotry ( see I even use the words you understand :) ) then it follows that there is something wrong with ALL the nations in the world. Can it be true? Or perhaps there is something wrong with ONE nation? The evidence points that the latter is correct.

So what is it about jews?
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It is no secret that when close relatives marry, their children run higher risk of accumalated genetic disorder. One can examine history of European Royalty to confirm this fact. What do you think will happen if there is a religious sect ( very small in numbers) which encourages inbreeding? What if this sect has been doing so for thousands of years? Isn't it logical to assume that something similar would happen to this people?

What exactly happens as the result of inbreeding? Well the thing is called degeneracy. It must be noted that apart from artificial degenerates there also are natural degenerates.
So what is degeneracy? In medical sense, it's accumalation of genetic disorders. In theological sense, it's what known as devil. Simply put, degeneracy is lack of balance, overdevelopment of some qualities at the expense of other qualities. Degeneracy manifests itself in 3 groups of traits:
1. Sexual perversions
2. Mental disorders
3. Certain physical deformities

1. Obviously no research exists which looks into predisposition of various nations towards sexual perversions. Anecdotal evidence suggests however that jews are extremly prone to sexual perversions. Check it for yourself, get a jewish boy/girlfriend. Or watch any hollywoood movie/show. Where there are homosexuals, lesbians or other perverts, there are always jews. Let's not forget that a lot of "homosexual rights activists" are jews. Look around you, it's easy to see when you know what to look for.

2. Much easier with this one. Untill jews started to dominate social science and took media under their control ( early 20th century) it was a well known scientific fact. I refer you to Chezare Lombrozo ( a jew himself) who in his book " Genius and insanity" said: " incidence of serious mental disorder is 4-5 times higher among jews than among any other nation".
Let's look at jewish mental health from another prospective. The most common mental disorder is schizophrenia which is one name for two manias, mania of persecution and megalomania. Now, let's look into couple of judaic laws:
"The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts..." -Saba Mecia 114, 6
Clearly the case of megalomania. Following is the case of mania of prosecution:
"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." -Libbre David 37
Once again if one knows what to look for, he will see all this among jews.

3. Physical deformities among jews is the easiest one, for they are the hardest to hide.
Jews have the highest incidence of redheads ( extremly degenerative trait).
Jews have very high incidence of genetic disorders:
http://www.jewishgeneticscenter.org/
Spent a day in any IVF clinic, count number of jeweses and compare it to others.
Look at photos of famous jews, they aren't generally beautiful people.

Obviously I only scratched the surface, degeneracy is a very complex phenomenon. Shame you don't hear about it at schools or read about it in newspapers. I wonder why would it be?

[Nono]

Originally posted by Inquisitor+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Inquisitor)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I have friends who are jews.[/b]

Originally posted by Classic bigot's protestation@ Some of my best friends are nigras.

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Why is it that in any country where jews would take residence, anti semitism woould follow? Why it has been the case for thousands of years? If anti-semitism is without merit ... then it follows that there is something wrong with ALL the nations in the world. Can it be true?[/quote]

Sure it can. And that thing is called human nature. Jews tend to live apart. It's hard here to unravel their own view of themselves as "special" and the vicious-circle of historically having been shunned by the rest of society. The two form a sort of synergy. And you know how the majority tends to view conspicuous minorities: they feel superior to, or resentful, of them. There's your explanation right there.

To make sure they didn't get uppity, the European societies in which Jews lived confined them to vulgar professions such as commerce that bluebloods would never stoop to.

And since Jewish culture prizes education and self-betterment, bingo: they did well at these things. And still do.

Something similar has happened with the "overseas Chinese", especially in the countries of Southeast Asia. They have people saying the same things about them as you say about the Jews, and for somewhat the same reasons. And as we've seen in the past half-century in Malaysia, Indonesia and Viet Nam, they aren't immune to armed hostility.

What exactly happens as the result of inbreeding? Well the thing is called degeneracy.

How were things in the Russian aristocracy, a much smaller gene pool than the Jews? Not so peachy, from what I've heard.

If it were the case that Jews displayed the effects of inbreeding , there would be a high incidence of intellectual deficiency among them (much as one used to see in the more isolated Swiss valleys, for example). But this is so clearly not the case that your suggestion is laughable.

Anecdotal evidence suggests however that jews are extremly prone to sexual perversions.

Yeah, right, Inqui. Nothing like a bit of anecdotal "evidence" from scientific types like yourself to englighten us.

These supposed symptoms of inbreeding are a load of pseudo-scientific Nazi garbage, real "Rassenkunde" garbage.

[bishop]

Why is it that in any country where jews would take residence, anti semitism woould follow? Why it has been the case for thousands of years? If anti-semitism is without merit ... then it follows that there is something wrong with ALL the nations in the world. Can it be true?

by that logic, blacks are naturally slaves - because people from all regions (minus east asia i suppose) have owned black slaves at one time or another.

i've known far more non-jew gays.. there are approximately 6,061,000 jews in this country. the estimate of homosexuals is said to be much higher. and, how many inbred jews do you see ending up on the jerry springer show (since you cite casual television as evidence for your argument)?

[westcoastdog]

Another anti-Semite rant. George Orwell stated that the most difficult things to see are the obvious. Inquisitor talks about genetics. Considering the number of Jewish geniuses, one must conclude that when it comes intelligence, Jews are second to none. Doctors, professors, lawyers, writers, actors, classical musicians are occupations with a disproportionate percentage of Jews. The next time you peruse the book review section of a newspaper, note the high percentage of Jewish surnames, and Jews were instrumental in the creation of the Hollywood film industry. It should also be noted that Jews have lower crime rates and have low rates of alcoholism. Inferior genes? I wish I had Einstein's, Spielberg's or Soros's DNA.

The Jews have endured more than a thousand years of persecution and countless pogroms, yet the culture and religion endured and flourished under tolerant conditions. This is an amazing achievement. When one contemplates the high point of our culture, we should express gratitude to the great Jewish contributions. Our world would be a far less pleasant place without them.

I believe anti-Semitism, and all racism, is a form of paranoia, a disease that affects rationality and cannot be treated with facts and logic. Once prejudice seizes a mind, it poisons a person's perceptions and psyche and and distorts his values for the remainder of his life.

[Inquisitor]

Sure it can. And that thing is called human nature. Jews tend to live apart. It's hard here to unravel their own view of themselves as "special" and the vicious-circle of historically having been shunned by the rest of society. The two form a sort of synergy. And you know how the majority tends to view conspicuous minorities: they feel superior to, or resentful, of them. There's your explanation right there.

Yes I have heard this before. Poor prosecuted minority is always right. I can think of other minorities disliked by majority, criminals for example. Incidently criminal jargon in most european launguages is mostly hebrew words.

To make sure they didn't get uppity, the European societies in which Jews lived confined them to vulgar professions such as commerce that bluebloods would never stoop to.

You conviniently left out thousands of years before that.

How were things in the Russian aristocracy, a much smaller gene pool than the Jews? Not so peachy, from what I've heard.

Yes we have experienced the same problems to a lesser extent. While judaism favours marrige to cousins, Russian Orthodox Church prohibits marrige to relatives up to 7 degrees of relation. And to prevent snide remarks, I state that I most certainly am a degenerate ( there hardly were few hundred families noble enough to marry my ancestors).

If it were the case that Jews displayed the effects of inbreeding , there would be a high incidence of intellectual deficiency among them (much as one used to see in the more isolated Swiss valleys, for example). But this is so clearly not the case that your suggestion is laughable.

Which is indeed the case. You know why you haven't heard about it, don't you?

i've known far more non-jew gays.. there are approximately 6,061,000 jews in this country. the estimate of homosexuals is said to be much higher. and, how many inbred jews do you see ending up on the jerry springer show (since you cite casual television as evidence for your argument)?

Firstly, how do you know if some of them are not jews? Do you have technical knowledge to recognise a jew?
Secondly, this is jewish owned TV we are talking about. The very jews who would go to any lengths in order to hide the facts I am telling here.

Yes I know how many jews are there in the US and fell deeply sorry for normal Americans.

Another anti-Semite rant. George Orwell stated that the most difficult things to see are the obvious. Inquisitor talks about genetics. Considering the number of Jewish geniuses, one must conclude that when it comes intelligence, Jews are second to none. Doctors, professors, lawyers, writers, actors, classical musicians are occupations with a disproportionate percentage of Jews.

If you have read my original post, you would notice, that book by Chezare Lombrozo called " Genius and insanity". Degeneracy gives higher incidence of mental disorders and higher incidence of geniuses as well. I am surprised you are ignorant of this fact. There is a high price for artificial jewish geniuses though.

The next time you peruse the book review section of a newspaper, note the high percentage of Jewish surnames,

Jewish owned newspaper, you forgot to mention.

and Jews were instrumental in the creation of the Hollywood film industry.

Haven't we seen " Shindlers list', "Pianist" or hundreds of other movies where a kind, wise and humane jew saves stupid gentiles?

I wish I had Einstein's, Spielberg's or Soros's DNA.

Do you really? You probably know that Einstein's son spend his life at a mental institution. Is that where you aspire?

When one contemplates the high point of our culture, we should express gratitude to the great Jewish contributions.

Of course we should! How about communism, labour camps, mass executions, artificial famines, anti christianity, propaganda, political correctness etc. Thank you very much. World would be such a dull place without these great contributions.

Our world would be a far less pleasant place without them.

Indeed. There would have been so many more of us!

So far no real argument against what I said. Clearly jewish propaganda mindlesly repeated by brainwashed cannot be considered argument. Can it?

[westcoastdog]

Inquisitor, your reply confirms my observation, "I believe anti-Semitism, and all racism, is a form of paranoia, a disease that affects rationality and cannot be treated with facts and logic. Once prejudice seizes a mind, it poisons a person's perceptions and psyche and and distorts his values for the remainder of his life."

If your theory is scientific, rather than irrational prejudice, what evidence would disprove your position?

I realize any argument is futile. Once a racist, always a racist.

[bishop]

Do you have technical knowledge to recognise a jew?

what is technical knowledge exactly? i have lots of experience with jews, several friends, a couple girlfriends, used to live right outside nyc and i go to a jewish university.

Yes I know how many jews are there in the US and fell deeply sorry for normal Americans.

you feel sorry for "normal americans" because there are jews in america??? heil hitler, eh buddy? nazi scum.

[Section 8]

I was raised Jewish, and am Jewish maternally, so I do take offence to what you've said Inquisitor. Your entire case is purely anecdotal, and chalk full of assumptions and a total lack of fact. A couple of things, Marx nevered murdered anyone last time, nor did communism. You seem to forget that your very faith was made possible through ethical monotheism, a Jewish idea. As a people, we also established the first laws, and contributed greatly to modern law and government. Jewish individuals have also made amazing strides in the arts and science. Until you have any facts backed up by a credible source, I'm going to have to disregard your post as an anti-semetic rant.

P.S. Have you ever seen Schindler's List? Oskar Schindler wasn't Jewish.

[westcoastdog]

Inquisitor, said "You probably know that Einstein's son spend his life at a mental institution. Is that where you aspire?"

The facts:

Hans Albert Einstein
1904-1973
Professor of Hydraulic Engineering, Emeritus

Professor Hans Albert Einstein, an accomplished scholar, engineer, and teacher, was born on May 14, 1904 in Bern, Switzerland, a year before his father, Albert H. Einstein, published the Special Theory of Relativity. His mother, Mileva Maric, was from Serbia and was a physics student before her marriage. Professor Einstein received his elementary school education in Zurich. In 1926 he received the Diploma in Civil Engineering, and in 1936 the Doctor of Technical Sciences, both from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich..."

"In 1938 Professor Einstein immigrated to the United States where he continued his research on the transport of sediment, first at the U.S. Agricultural Experiment Station at Clemson, South Carolina (1938-1943), and later (1943-1947) at the U.S. Department of Agriculture Cooperative Laboratory, California Institute of Technology. These years of research culminated in the classic Department of Agriculture Technical Publication No. 1026, The Bed-Load Function for Sediment Transportation in Open Channel Flows.

"Professor Einstein joined the faculty of the University of California in 1947 as Associate Professor, and later became Professor of Hydraulic Engineering. He possessed the rare combination of a highly competent research scientist, a fine practicing engineer, and an excellent teacher in both the graduate and undergraduate areas of instruction. To recognize the many valuable contributions of Professor Einstein in research and teaching, his many former students organized in his honor a symposium on sedimentation on the Berkeley campus upon his retirement in 1970. The proceedings of this symposium resulted in the book, Sedimentation, in 1971.

"Professor Einstein's extracurricular activities were diverse and numerous. He loved sailing and music. No day was too rough on San Francisco Bay to prevent him from heading out through the entrance of the Berkeley Yacht Harbor for a period of excitement and relaxation on the Bay."

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/WRCA/einstein.html

Racists always rely on lies to sustain their bigotry.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Inquisitor, I understand that most of you have no doubt whatsoever that one cannot generalise about a whole race/ethnicity. Especially when it comes to jews. And I agree. I am far from saying that every single jew is personification of evil. In fact I have friends who are jews. Yet whenever a word jew is said, a word anti-semite comes to mind. Why is this so? Why is it that in any country where jews would take residence, anti semitism woould follow? Why it has been the case for thousands of years? If anti-semitism is without merit, a mere superstition and bigotry ( see I even use the words you understand :) ) then it follows that there is something wrong with ALL the nations in the world. Can it be true? Or perhaps there is something wrong with ONE nation? The evidence points that the latter is correct. So what is it about jews? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is no secret that when close relatives marry, their children run higher risk of accumalated genetic disorder. One can examine history of European Royalty to confirm this fact. What do you think will happen if there is a religious sect ( very small in numbers) which encourages inbreeding? What if this sect has been doing so for thousands of years? Isn't it logical to assume that something similar would happen to this people? What exactly happens as the result of inbreeding? Well the thing is called degeneracy. It must be noted that apart from artificial degenerates there also are natural degenerates. So what is degeneracy? In medical sense, it's accumalation of genetic disorders. In theological sense, it's what known as devil. Simply put, degeneracy is lack of balance, overdevelopment of some qualities at the expense of other qualities. Degeneracy manifests itself in 3 groups of traits: 1. Sexual perversions 2. Mental disorders 3. Certain physical deformities 1. Obviously no research exists which looks into predisposition of various nations towards sexual perversions. Anecdotal evidence suggests however that jews are extremly prone to sexual perversions. Check it for yourself, get a jewish boy/girlfriend. Or watch any hollywoood movie/show. Where there are homosexuals, lesbians or other perverts, there are always jews. Let's not forget that a lot of "homosexual rights activists" are jews. Look around you, it's easy to see when you know what to look for. 2. Much easier with this one. Untill jews started to dominate social science and took media under their control ( early 20th century) it was a well known scientific fact. I refer you to Chezare Lombrozo ( a jew himself) who in his book " Genius and insanity" said: " incidence of serious mental disorder is 4-5 times higher among jews than among any other nation". Let's look at jewish mental health from another prospective. The most common mental disorder is schizophrenia which is one name for two manias, mania of persecution and megalomania. Now, let's look into couple of judaic laws: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts..." -Saba Mecia 114, 6 Clearly the case of megalomania. Following is the case of mania of prosecution: "To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." -Libbre David 37 Once again if one knows what to look for, he will see all this among jews. 3. Physical deformities among jews is the easiest one, for they are the hardest to hide. Jews have the highest incidence of redheads ( extremly degenerative trait). Jews have very high incidence of genetic disorders: http://www.jewishgeneticscenter.org/ Spent a day in any IVF clinic, count number of jeweses and compare it to others. Look at photos of famous jews, they aren't generally beautiful people. Obviously I only scratched the surface, degeneracy is a very complex phenomenon. Shame you don't hear about it at schools or read about it in newspapers. I wonder why would it be?

I could not help but notice that you used the same 3 examples or "traits" you used for your classification of witches and "pagans" in one of my posts about Wicca. And you say stuff like "genetic disorders such that Jews have the highest incidence of redheads that you called an "extremly degenerative trait". You have become this forums number one advocate of the Hitler and the KKK occupt teachings. And such theology makes Voodooism and headhunters more attractive by comparison.

I personally cannot honer any such teaching that supports hate crimes and would advoate butterfacing them - this stuff does not belong in any responsible debate forum where free speech has any remote duty for responsible speech. My opinion and otherwise "no comment".

Technosoul.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Inquisitor, I understand that most of you have no doubt whatsoever that one cannot generalise about a whole race/ethnicity. Especially when it comes to jews. And I agree. I am far from saying that every single jew is personification of evil. In fact I have friends who are jews. Yet whenever a word jew is said, a word anti-semite comes to mind. Why is this so? Why is it that in any country where jews would take residence, anti semitism woould follow? Why it has been the case for thousands of years? If anti-semitism is without merit, a mere superstition and bigotry ( see I even use the words you understand :) ) then it follows that there is something wrong with ALL the nations in the world. Can it be true? Or perhaps there is something wrong with ONE nation? The evidence points that the latter is correct. So what is it about jews?

You believe all men to be born with sin, can it not be just as true that all men have the capacity for incorrectness?

[Nono]

Originally posted by Inquisitor You conviniently left out thousands of years before that.

OK, well fill us in then. But only true stuff, no wishful inventions like that bit about Einstein's son.

(A high incidence of intellectual deficiency among the Jews) is indeed the case. You know why you haven't heard about it, don't you?

Nor have I directly observed it, and while not Jewish myself I've had ample opportunity. So why son't you tell us that too.

[Iluvatar]

"this stuff does not belong in any responsible debate forum where free speech " For a debate forum, there seems to be a lot of bashing against him, and far less against his logic. His arguement is full of holes, but he still has every right to post it. That's the point of free speech.

Inquisitor,
You base a good deal of your arguement on the idea that lot's of people of hated jews for a long time. This is a combination of two logical fallacies, appeal to tradition and Bandwagon Fallacies. To draw the conclusion that because it has been done before, it is therefore correct, is highly fallicious. That is the logic that has been keeping anti-seminism going for these thousands of years.

I can explain some of it, though. Most of the jewish persecution began in the last 500-700 years. In Europe (where the worst persecution took place), most people were Christians, and they were bibicaly forbidden to have insurence or banking (I believe it fell under the heading of gambling). The Jews, however, had no problem with these actions, and used them to great advantage. This, in combination with the general spirit of hard work and education that Judaism taught, put a large nuumber of jews in relatively well off financial statuses. Since parents tend to pass off their financial status to theri children, most jews tend to be upper-middle class. These are the people at whom anger, when there is a social climate for it, is directed. For example, when hitler came to power, he pointed at the successful people, the jews, and said 'These people are casuing your problem!'. Long jealousy allowed people to overcome logic and blame those who had mopre stuff than them.

As for anecdotal evidence, I know only one Jewish family. The father is a docter, the mother is a lawyer (and a black belt), the son has a GPA of 98, and is one of the most popular kids in my school. The sister wa the same, but has recently left for collage, where she is doing very well.

Your logic is like swiss cheese, and I look forward to poking holes in it later on, when I have more time.

[Inquisitor]

what is technical knowledge exactly? i have lots of experience with jews, several friends, a couple girlfriends, used to live right outside nyc and i go to a jewish university.

I am talking about technical knowledge possesed by anthropologists. Though I agree without careful investigation of one's ancestry it's often hard to identify a jew.

Your entire case is purely anecdotal,

Incorrect, I have provided evidence which most seem to ignore and concentrate on my evil, nazilike personality instead.

A couple of things, Marx nevered murdered anyone last time, nor did communism.

Jewish communists did murder millions of people my ancestors included. Communism in both theory ( Marx) and practice ( Lenin & Co) is jewish phenomenon.

You seem to forget that your very faith was made possible through ethical monotheism,

My faith is possible because of Jesus ( whom your ancestors had executed) and flourished despite countless prosecutions which your people had inspired, directed and often carried out personally. This is why jews are known as Christ-haters.

Jewish individuals have also made amazing strides in the arts and science.

I had never denied this fact. My attemt is to explain why there are so many gifted jews and what price jews are paying for it. Also jewish art is most often degenerative art.

Until you have any facts backed up by a credible source, I'm going to have to disregard your post as an anti-semetic rant.

No amount of evidence will convince you, because you don't need to be convinced, you ( being a jew) know perfectly well all I am talking about. What you are in fact saying is - I will deny everything you say and people will believe me because media and academia say that I am right.

The facts: Hans Albert Einstein 1904-1973 Professor of Hydraulic Engineering, Emeritus Professor Hans Albert Einstein, an accomplished scholar, engineer, and teacher, was born on May 14, 1904 in Bern, Switzerland, a year before his father, Albert H. Einstein, published the Special Theory of Relativity. His mother, Mileva Maric, was from Serbia and was a physics student before her marriage. Professor Einstein received his elementary school education in Zurich. In 1926 he received the Diploma in Civil Engineering, and in 1936 the Doctor of Technical Sciences, both from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich..." "In 1938 Professor Einstein immigrated to the United States where he continued his research on the transport of sediment, first at the U.S. Agricultural Experiment Station at Clemson, South Carolina (1938-1943), and later (1943-1947) at the U.S. Department of Agriculture Cooperative Laboratory, California Institute of Technology. These years of research culminated in the classic Department of Agriculture Technical Publication No. 1026, The Bed-Load Function for Sediment Transportation in Open Channel Flows. "Professor Einstein joined the faculty of the University of California in 1947 as Associate Professor, and later became Professor of Hydraulic Engineering. He possessed the rare combination of a highly competent research scientist, a fine practicing engineer, and an excellent teacher in both the graduate and undergraduate areas of instruction. To recognize the many valuable contributions of Professor Einstein in research and teaching, his many former students organized in his honor a symposium on sedimentation on the Berkeley campus upon his retirement in 1970. The proceedings of this symposium resulted in the book, Sedimentation, in 1971. "Professor Einstein's extracurricular activities were diverse and numerous. He loved sailing and music. No day was too rough on San Francisco Bay to prevent him from heading out through the entrance of the Berkeley Yacht Harbor for a period of excitement and relaxation on the Bay." http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/WRCA/einstein.html

Now I don't like to be called a liar. I did say Einstein's son, I did not say Einstein's only son. So you provided biography of his older son implying that he was the only son and I therefore am a liar ( as undoubtly an anti semite should be). Not only this is a dirty tactic, this is also stupid because it's so easy to disprove. You or anyone else can easly purchase
"The Private Lives of Albert Einstein " by Roger Highfield and Paul Carter.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...ance&vi=reviews
Here is a quote from a review:
"His unceasing flirtation with women, his disregard for other people's feelings, and his inability to achieve intimacy destroyed both marriages. For the last 22 years of his life he never visited his youngest son, Eduard, who spent most of his adulthood either in mental institutions or under the care of a guardian."
One can also run a Google search "einstein son mental institution" which would come up with 13400 references.
There is also a well known fact that Einstein's second wife was his cousin.

I could not help but notice that you used the same 3 examples or "traits" you used for your classification of witches and "pagans" in one of my posts about Wicca.

Of course they are the same traits. While jews are artificial degenerates, there are also natural degenerates ( not the result of conscious inbreeding). These degenerates while not jews are witches, wiccans, feminists,homosexuals, mentally ill etc.

OK, well fill us in then. But only true stuff, no wishful inventions like that bit about Einstein's son.

We have already established that I was correct about his son. Let's move on. Your theory is " anti semitism is the result of jews being forced to enter commerce and money lending ( I wonder why force people to enter such lucrative vocations?), because of their brilliance they achieved success and stupid envious gentiles started to hate them because of that". Beautiful theory. The only problem is, gentiles have always hated jews and the reason is right at the heart of Judaism.
"Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night." -Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L

Now, Old Testament is full of stories of ancient hostility towards jews. Just one example:
Esther 3:13 And the letters were sent by posts into all the king's provinces, to destroy, to kill, and to cause to perish, all Jews, both young and old, little children and women, in one day, even upon the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month Adar, and to take the spoil of them for a prey.
Of course one has to be very careful when he studies jewish history by jewish books, other sources often tell different story. For example:
3rd century BCE: Manetho, a Hellenistic Egyptian chronicler and priest, alleges that Moses was not a Jew, but an Egyptian renegade priest, and portrays the Exodus as the expulsion of a leper colony.
There were no restrictions on money lending back then, so your theory is more of a wishful thinking.

So far no real argument. A pathetic attempt to portrait me as a liar and accusation of racism, bigotry etc. You would have to do better than that.

[Technosoul]

Who then are you comparing all those genetically defective people with? Who are the "genetically perfect" people that you would select as the ones that should dominate as being a "true human"? Should I venture a guess that your perfect breed are the blue eyed Germans?

Answer if you dare.

Technosoul.

[bishop]

clearly, there's nothing as perfect as blond haired, blue eyed whities..

a good amount of them live in alabama i think...

[Paavo]

For a "banworthy nazi bigot" he sure debates better than most others do here IMO.
I may not agree with what he's saying, but I find it funny that bringing up a politically incorrect issue gets negative responses due to it being politically incorrect, it's like a never-ending circle.

One says "Look at the official truth, I suggest that it's not the genuine truth", then everyone else says "You're a liar, because you're saying that the truth isn't true".

or

One says "This man wrote a book on the truth, but I don't think he got it quite right", then everyone else says "But you're wrong, just read the book he wrote!" ... you get what I mean.

(Sorry for the slight offtopic)

[Nono]

Wrong, Paavo. His views can easily be countered by pointing out that they are specious drivel. No need to throw a politically correct fit.

You have a thing about political correctness (a damn strange term in itself) so anybody who is so grossly "incorrect" as this guy automatically earns sneaking admiration from you.

Great. But look at his arguments. They don't hold water, being based on cherry-picked facts and anecdotal musings.

For a "banworthy nazi bigot" he sure debates better than most others do here IMO

If you think he's a good debater, then you're damn easy to fob off with sophistry.

Inqui is a bigot. He'd fit well in with a lot of Nazis (only problem is that for them he's a racially inferior Slav).

But how many people here have said he should be banned?
And what percentage of us here have countered him on the grounds of political correctness rather than on fact?

Looking forward to your reply to these questions, P.

[Friedrich]

It has been said that to "mention Jews" in writing is to risk getting into trouble. My response is that there are times when one must take a risk for a principle.

Among anti-semites, I wish to be a Jew; among those who hate Arabs, I wish to be an Arab; those who hate persons of African-ancestry, whose skin is dark, should consider me the darkest skinned person of all; to those who hate Communists, as opposed to individuals who have committed terrible acts, then I wish to be considered like those whom they hate; to those who hate Germans because of the Nazis, I mention Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Edith Stein; to those who hate Cubans because of what they THINK they know of Fidel Castro, I mention Jose Marti and the humanistic achievements of the Cuban Revolution; to those who hate the U.S. because of what they THINK they know of Fidel Castro's opinions about North Americans, I say John F. Kennedy and the eternal hope for peace, which I believe that ALL political leaders share.

" ... whatever happens to another happens to oneself, and if you want an inscription to read at dawn and at night-time and for pleasure or for pain, write up on the wall of your house in letters for the sun to gild and the moon to silver 'Whatever happens to another happens to oneself,' and should anyone ask you what such an inscription can possibly mean you can answer that it means: 'Lord Christ's heart and Shakespeare's brain.' (Oscar Wilde)

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Well Paavo I am still waiting for a "good debate" type response to my request in the Holocaust thread.

M5 Regarding the inquisitor's statement. Please provide evidence regarding Jews being MORE likely to be evil than ANY other etnicity on this planet. Inquisitor I have already done so. I am sorry if you unable to see it.

No he hasn't! Not even close. When someone makes statements that one group is MORE anything than ANY other some comparitive data is required.

I see references to Jewish involvment in the red revolution (which we are supposed to accept on no more evidence than exists for verification of the holocaust which he denies) and the Russian Mafia, and I see reference to how many cultures have hated Jews.

Someone could dupicate his arguments holding up the holocaust as evidence that arians are the MOST EVIL of all ethnic groups, or the Itallians and their involvement in the Costa Nostra as evidence.

I have seen NO comparitive evidence.

Inquisitor has taken a HIGHLY unpopular position and therefor has received some emotional, rather than itnellectual, responses. He is then appearing to remain coldly logical in the face of some direct inslults.
Don't fall prey to believing that makes him a good debator.

Clever? Yes Very.! Logical? Read it again and forget defending or accusing based on PC.

When you say MORE evil than ANY other ethnicity... Just think how impossible that statement is to prove.
1. "Evil" is somewhat subjective in itself.
2. "More" requires defending the LACK of equal evil in, say, the Muslim community.
3. "Any" is an absloute. Good debators seldom use such absolute terms for obvious reasons.

His arguments are for lack of evidence on the part of almost anything supporting Jews such as the Holocaust. What is his main argument? That you canot trust Jews because they are liars? C'mon. That is saying a statement proves itself.

All redheads are compulsive deniers. If they deny it, they prove your point.
Circularly misleading.

His "evidence" has almost totally been presenting articles and books regarding the opinions of various individuals.
So?
That is painstakingly boreing but can be done for almost any subject where there is a prejudice or contoversy.

What if we say all those people he quotes are pathological liars like the Jews?

He is simply saying the opinions of his sources are enlightened and anything to the contrary is based on Jewish propaganda. It is an old Highschool debate trick.
Try to universally refute any counter evidence by making the presenter or the source seem like part of the poor duped majority.

No Paavo, I do NOT think his debating skills are very good. Just very clever. He is using his outrageous position like a shield and accusing his ditractors of prejudice against his views instead of being reasonable.

It does not work on me. I am still waiting for a response beyond

Inquisitor I have already done so. I am sorry if you unable to see it.

Go back and read it Paavo. His "done so" is comprised of examples of Jewish historical 'wrongs' which are a mixture of truth and opinionated assumptions. All of which I could duplicate for Americans, Itallians, Germans, Native Americans, Catholics, Protestants, Blacks, Irish, British, Hispanics and several social organizations.

I do not care how PC or non PC his premise is. I think he is VERY bold in attempting to defend such absolute statements.
I am totally unimpressed with his ability to carry it off.