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Technosoul · Oct 10, 2004, 11:40 pm

Should religion take a judgemental attitude about evil people and take action on thier belief in morality as a crusade?

Or not.

Should religion be teaching love and understanding, and hold their peace when others seem to messing up our culture?

Or not.

Vote and/or state your opinions and reason for opinion.

Thanks for taking part. Technosoul.

Suburbanite · Oct 11, 2004, 03:26 am

Religion is asserting its own morals, which involves both one and two, the concept of two, with the action of one.

Starboy · Oct 11, 2004, 05:49 pm

The idea that religion should be the arbiter of "good" and "evil" might be tenable if there was only one religion in the world. However in the history of the world there appears to have been millions, with millions of variations on "good" and "evil" and how it should be acheived or avoided. Why should we prefer the take of one religion over another simply because a particular religion has the plurality to force that take on others? In a society that prizes freedom this seems to me to be anathama. What most of the religious do not realize is if they see their religion as something everyone should follow then they are not for freedom. (Or perhaps they are but only for themselves).

So if you are for freedom for everyone then religious justification alone for social decisions would not be adequate as a reason for that dicision. There would have to other social reasons sufficient unto themselves to support it in order for it to be justified in a country that valued freedom and equality under the law for all.

Starboy

Gorgo · Oct 11, 2004, 06:01 pm

Society would be better served if religion would end.

Nonviolence of course, is a separate issue.

Starboy · Oct 11, 2004, 06:49 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Gorgo,
Society would be better served if religion would end.

Nonviolence of course, is a separate issue.

This is off topic but you may not believe this, I do not agree with you.

As a basic primer may I suggest that people read:

"The Power of Myth" - Joseph Campbell

But read it carefully, because it is just jammed with interesting information. I think I read it four times before it started sinking in.

Starboy

Gorgo · Oct 11, 2004, 06:53 pm

What's your position on religion as a mental disorder? Again, this is off-topic so if you have a response, you may wish to do it here:
http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...c=2219&hl=ellis

or another thread.

Starboy · Oct 11, 2004, 09:00 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Gorgo,
What's your position on religion as a mental disorder? Again, this is off-topic so if you have a response, you may wish to do it here:
http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...c=2219&hl=ellis

or another thread.

Gorgo, I started another thread so that we could try a different path of argument then what appeared to be in that thread.

Is there more than one kind of religion?

Starboy

Technosoul · Oct 11, 2004, 11:55 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Gorgo,
Society would be better served if religion would end.

Nonviolence of course, is a separate issue.

This is off topic but you may not believe this, I do not agree with you.

As a basic primer may I suggest that people read:

"The Power of Myth" - Joseph Campbell

But read it carefully, because it is just jammed with interesting information. I think I read it four times before it started sinking in.

Starboy[/b][/quote]

The book mentioned was mostly an interview of Mr Campbell, he also has a great book called "Hero with a 1000 faces" (I think it was called) which goes rather in depth. I think in that book Joesph Campbell makes a point out of showing a common tread or theme that runs through most of all our religious and/or idealistic types of philosophy and moralty related story telling.

Also a large number of tapes were made of his lectures which contain outstanding insights and observations based on his years of study and journeys. Some of those can be ordered by looking him up on the web.

A "must read" for anyone who REALLY is interested in the topics talked about here at this forum.

And while we are mentioning names might I suggest Alan Watts - please check out the webpage linked for a eye-opening introduction of his fantastic writings. Another important resource.

http://home.wxs.nl/~brouw724/Awatts.html

Technosoul.

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Oct 10, 2004, 11:40 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Should religion take a judgemental attitude about evil people and take action on thier belief in morality as a crusade? Or not. Should religion be teaching love and understanding, and hold their peace when others seem to messing up our culture? Or not. Vote and/or state your opinions and reason for opinion. Thanks for taking part. Technosoul.

Oct 11, 2004, 03:26 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Religion is asserting its own morals, which involves both one and two, the concept of two, with the action of one.

Oct 11, 2004, 05:49 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Starboy BANNED: Repeated insults Posts: 4,828	The idea that religion should be the arbiter of "good" and "evil" might be tenable if there was only one religion in the world. However in the history of the world there appears to have been millions, with millions of variations on "good" and "evil" and how it should be acheived or avoided. Why should we prefer the take of one religion over another simply because a particular religion has the plurality to force that take on others? In a society that prizes freedom this seems to me to be anathama. What most of the religious do not realize is if they see their religion as something everyone should follow then they are not for freedom. (Or perhaps they are but only for themselves). So if you are for freedom for everyone then religious justification alone for social decisions would not be adequate as a reason for that dicision. There would have to other social reasons sufficient unto themselves to support it in order for it to be justified in a country that valued freedom and equality under the law for all. Starboy

Oct 11, 2004, 06:01 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Society would be better served if religion would end. Nonviolence of course, is a separate issue.

Oct 11, 2004, 06:53 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	What's your position on religion as a mental disorder? Again, this is off-topic so if you have a response, you may wish to do it here: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...c=2219&hl=ellis or another thread.