Supernatural religion and dishonesty....

[Starboy]

Nobody likes to be called dishonest but if someone is being dishonest either knowingly or unknowingly, then they should expect to hear it and the supernatural religious have been dishonest. Here goes:

1. Reality claims

Let's face it. The supernatural religious claim that they have a special take on reality. They also claim that they have a special way to know this reality called revelation. For many these claims are in direct contradiction with the discoveries of science. For Catholics, the pope has dealt with this conflict by proclaiming separate magesterium. There is the book of god and the book of nature and both were supposedly written by god, But make no mistake, the pope can make authoritative statements about anything in reality and religion however by order of the pope science has no authority to make statements about the purported reality claimed by the pope. But this position by the pope is just a double standard. Then there are other religions that require that their holy writings be taken verbatim and that anything science has to say about reality is just wrong. All of this is possible because the religious are trained to believe in realities that do not have to be real (a self deception and a lie if there ever was one.)

2. Faith - the institutionalized double standard

This has got to be the most insidious aspect of supernatural religion. This one thing alone makes all supernaturalists liars. This is what faith essentially does. It allows the faithful to apply a different standard of acceptance to one set of claims verses another. They accept their own supernatural religious claims using faith but reject the supernatural claims of other religions because there is no evidence to accept those claims. The funny thing about it is that there is just as much evidence to support their claims as there is to support the claims of supernatural religions that they reject. If one set of evidence is good enough for one supernatural religion then it is good for all.
Either accept all supernatural religions or accept none. That is the only honest position to take.

3. Truth mongering

This tactic relies on a common semantic confusion, the confusion of "truth" and reality. If they claim something is "true" then they imply that it must be real however they will not subject their claims to the same methods that any other reality claim would be subjected, in other words, their claims are not subject to the requirement of evidence of even a common court case let alone a scientific investigation. This is a deliberate tactic on their part and when pressed on the matter they will then try to claim that their "truth" is a higher "truth" and is not subject to the constraints of reality.

4. Fraud and the offer you can't refuse

Then there are outright frauds. The ones that present you with the offer from the godfather, the offer you can't refuse, "Believe in me and I will see that you get rewards in the after life, all you gotta do is do what the godfather wants. But if yous don't do what da godfather wants then it will be hell to pay." Hello! Nobody knows if there is an afterlife. If there is one, no one has lived to tell the tale. What a sweet fraud. Tell people they will get their payoff or punishment in a place that no one can verify even exits. It is essentially the fraud known as “Selling a bill of goods”, because that is all the religious have is the bill of goods; they cannot demonstrate that they have the actual goods themselves. The fact that they are promising to deliver the goods after you are dead only adds to the absurdity of the fraud. If this kind of thing were perpetrated by any business like say Enron, the executives would be facing jail time but because it is supernatural religion they not only get a pass but they are praised in society. These people should be locked up and the key should be thrown away.

5. Lies, lies and more lies about almost everything

Then there is just the constant drone of lies and nonsense from the religious about everything, such as morals coming from god, god could only be good, the universe was created just for us, the constitution is based on the bible and on and on and on... It makes me wonder if you must be a moron to be religious.

6. Presumption of exclusivity

This is not only dishonest but it is dangerous for all of us. All supernatural religions claim that they are the only way that people should live. That their supernatural god is the source of everything and that everything from that god pre-empts anything of man. This is the sort of thing that our president subscribes to. The law of his god overrules the constitution. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

7. And much, much more –

The religious prey on the young when they are unable to critically examine their outrageous claims. The religious ask that insane acts done in the name of their religion be excused where as if an act of religion performed in the name of a religion they do not believe in is done then they are all for applying the maximum punishment under the law. In other words if a mother bashes her kids heads in because god told her to then she is insane, but if Bush runs for the presidency because god told him that he wants him to be president then Bush is still sane. Hello! Is it possible for supernatural theists to think at all? I don’t think so.

Starboy

[The Dunedan]

My, aren't we fond of stereotypes today?
For the record, I am a ( somewhat lapsed ) Roman Catholic, and I make thinking a habit, thanks very much. Your logic is nonexistant and your premise insulting, sirrah. For instance:

Then there is just the constant drone of lies and nonsense from the religious about everything, such as morals coming from god, god could only be good,

Sorry, but a thing is only a lie if it is demonstrably untrue. Since you cannot prove that morals do -not- come from God, this statement is false and disingenious.

Either accept all supernatural religions or accept none. That is the only honest position to take.

Well, if one believes one's religion to be correct, then some ( at least ) other religions must be false, to greater or lesser degrees. Ergo: a person of Faith would be dishonest to endorse/believe religions they believed to be incorrect.

This one thing alone makes all supernaturalists liars. This is what faith essentially does. It allows the faithful to apply a different standard of acceptance to one set of claims verses another.

This is hardly unique to religion. Physics, for example, has numerous examples of "laws" being bent or broken alltogether. Did you know, for example, that Light ( which is Energy, not Matter, and therefore -should- be unaffected ) is affected by Gravity? By your logic, this makes the whole field of Physics a lie.

This is bollucks.

[Starboy]

Sorry, but a thing is only a lie if it is demonstrably untrue. Since you cannot prove that morals do -not- come from God, this statement is false and disingenious.

There are many ways to lie. One way is to make claims with absolute certainty when there is no way to be certain about it. The supernatural religious do this constantly. It would be one thing if they said that they thought that morals come from god but they do not say that, they say the morals come from god without a doubt, which brings us to the liars created by faith.

Well, if one believes one's religion to be correct, then some ( at least ) other religions must be false, to greater or lesser degrees. Ergo: a person of Faith would be dishonest to endorse/believe religions they believed to be incorrect.

Before you start making claims about my reasoning abilities perhaps you should at least make an effort to try to understand what I am saying. You can demonstrate this effort by asking questions before you jump to conclusions. Please do this at any time. It will shore up your credibility.

The supernatural religious must use faith because there is no other way to believe in any of the nonsense that they claim is real. When pressed on why they believe in it they will say things like, the bible says so and I believe the bible is the word of god, or they will say things like I had an experience that made me believe, or that is the way I was raised, and on and on. I have yet to hear any reasons from any supernatural theists that are any different from the reasons proffered by people that believe in religions that they do not believe in. In many cases these opposing believers will discount the other's belief for the same reasons. Yet these believers do not see how absurd their faith has made them. In addition if you ask a supernatural theist why they would not believe in Thor or Zeus or an Vishnu they will readily point out that all that is superstition and that there is really no good reason to believe in any of those gods yet for their own beliefs they provide no better evidence than the advocates of these other gods. They then chicken out by invoking the magical incantation of "faith", which on closer examination is simply a code word for double standard. The believers will hold their religious beliefs to a lower standard than they would other outrageous beliefs that they have chosen not to believe in. Such ways of thinking are inherently dishonest and leads to all sorts of foolery, malfeasance and delusion.

This is hardly unique to religion. Physics, for example, has numerous examples of "laws" being bent or broken alltogether. Did you know, for example, that Light ( which is Energy, not Matter, and therefore -should- be unaffected ) is affected by Gravity? By your logic, this makes the whole field of Physics a lie.   This is bollucks.

There is no comparison simply because by your own admission scientific explanations can be broken. And scientists on the whole are honest about it and they will say that the so called "laws" do not appear to be laws after all. In fact it is usually scientists that are the ones shooting down scientific theories and explanations. The mechanism of exploring and explaining reality could not be more different between science and religion. In science, new science gets the Nobel Prize however new religion can get you crucified. And religious explanations can never be broken no matter how much conflicting evidence is provided. This is an inherent property of faith and the problems it causes in people with a brain but don't know how to use it.

Starboy

[Deut. 32.8]

Originally posted by Starboy There are many ways to lie. One way is to make claims with absolute certainty when there is no way to be certain about it. The supernatural religious do this constantly.

that you claim this with such absurd certainty is, perhaps, the most interesting part of the thread.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Deut. 32.8,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deut. 32.8,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy There are many ways to lie. One way is to make claims with absolute certainty when there is no way to be certain about it. The supernatural religious do this constantly.

that you claim this with such absurd certainty is, perhaps, the most interesting part of the thread.[/b][/quote]

It would be absurd if it didn't happen. What is absurd is that you are so bound to your religion that you will not admit that it does happen. And happens all too often.

Starboy

[Technosoul]

To say that there is no absoulte truth would be one if that is absolutly the truth, so such phylosophy has a catch 22.

None the less, allow me to give opinions on some of the above posted debates.

One debate turn the "bearer of proof" on the person questioning it.

Concept 1. God authors morality.

Skeptic 2. That has no proof.

Concept 1. The prove God is not the author of morality.

Needless to say one might have as much trouble proving a God did not as one would have to prove that God did. However the proof for a statement must be made by the original person who made the claim, not the skeptic asking for proof.

Claim 1. God is good.

By what standard higher then God do you judge if God is good or bad? And would God have a choice to do bad instead of good? If not, then anything God could do would not be subject to any standards of good or evil and so he cannot be good anymore then he could be bad. That would be on the assumption God is a physical person or identity and not an abstract spirit of goodness which could be used as a phycholical role model for human attitude cloning.

Did God author morality? Now if you believe in such a God, and he said "let there be morality" then would it not be so? Could not such a God make anything happen according to his Word? Therefore would not everybody be moral if God so commanded it to be so?

The proof is in the pudding, is everyone in the world moral according to His Commandments? You will say no, He gave us a choice, but if the choice is ours then God did not command it or give it, we did it our self out of our free will. And yet, our so-called free will is not powerful enough to command perfect morality in our behavior all the time and so now what? We ended up with an impossible standard of morality that God cannot enforce and the humans cannot help but fail to embody totoally. And so you float around in this no-where zone between ape and angel but can never get into ether world - stuck at your half-way house of alienation.

More later... Technosoul.

[Starboy]

Technosoul, for me the issue is not about proof. I am not a philosopher and see philosophy to be much like religion in that philosophers are constantly making presumptions of reality that are beyond question. Scientists do not prove things, they explore and explain reality. The result of their explorations must be reconciled with what is known and when they do not match then a best effort must be made to try to sort it out. Their explanations must be able to predict the future before the fact, not after the fact which is what religion is only able to do. There is an understanding that the enterprise called science is an ongoing process that may never end. Even so new information is discovered daily and is used to either reject, refine or addend scientific knowledge. None of it is certain. If scientists thought it was certain then there would be no need to continue to try to explore and explain reality. So I do not make my claims from absolute certainty but from simple observations of the supernatural religious, what they say, how they act and what they do. The dishonesty is there for everyone to see if they would take off their blinders and look.

Starboy

[Deut. 32.8]

Originally posted by Starboy What is absurd is that you are so bound to your religion that you will not admit that it does happen.

I am an atheist (philosophical naturalist) and have been for over four decades. To what religion did you presume me bound? Once again you demonstrate your willingness to proclaim with unfounded certainty while painting with an absurdly broad brush.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Deut. 32.8,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deut. 32.8,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Starboy What is absurd is that you are so bound to your religion that you will not admit that it does happen.

I am an atheist (philosophical naturalist) and have been for over four decades. To what religion did you presume me bound? Once again you demonstrate your willingness to proclaim with unfounded certainty while painting with an absurdly broad brush.[/b][/quote]

Deut, you are a hoot. Let me see, your handle is Deut. 32.8, is that your phone number? Oh and you somehow think that pointing out how extreme theist can be when it comes to dishonesty is somehow in and of itself extreme. Come now Deut, sometimes something is extreme because well.... it is extreme. I don't make this stuff up about the dishonesty of theists. And lastly it surprises me that you could have been an atheist for fourth years and not have experienced it first hand on many occasions. Perhaps you live in a place where religious nonsense is not very prevalent. Well I live in the US of A and as we speak the Christian Fascists are trying to create the Second Holy Christian Empire. And they pull the dishonest crap described in the OP all the time. Oh and for the record I've been an atheist for at least fifty years. I guess that trumps your forty.

Starboy

[Deut. 32.8]

Originally posted by Starboy+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Deut, you are a hoot. Let me see, your handle is Deut. 32.8, is that your phone number?[/b]

No. It's my username - not to mention an extremely interesting verse from the Torah.

Originally posted by Starboy,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Oh and you somehow think that pointing out how extreme theist can be ...[/b]

But you were not talking about "how extreme [a] theist can be" but, rather, what the "supernatural religious do this constantly".

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Well I live in the US of A and as we speak the Christian Fascists are trying to create the Second Holy Christian Empire.[/quote]As I've suggested, you seem to paint with an absurdly broad brush.

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Oh and for the record I've been an atheist for at least fifty years. I guess that trumps your forty.[/quote]Are you really an adult? That honestly comes as a bit of a surprise.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Deut. 32.8,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Deut. 32.8,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Starboy+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Starboy)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Deut, you are a hoot. Let me see, your handle is Deut. 32.8, is that your phone number?[/b] No. It's my username - not to mention an extremely interesting verse from the Torah.[/b]

Hey, you were wondering why I might think you were a theist. Is this point lost on you?

Originally posted by Starboy, Oh and you somehow think that pointing out how extreme theist can be ... But you were not talking about "how extreme [a] theist can be" but, rather, what the "supernatural religious do this constantly".

Is English a second language for you? Doing something constantly is in many cases considered to be extreme.

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@ Well I live in the US of A and as we speak the Christian Fascists are trying to create the Second Holy Christian Empire.

As I've suggested, you seem to paint with an absurdly broad brush.[/quote]

It is only a broad brush if the width exceeds the actual width. Just saying it does doesn't make is so. I suggest that you stay up on current events in the US. You will find all sorts of Christian Fascist activity.

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Oh and for the record I've been an atheist for at least fifty years. I guess that trumps your forty.

Are you really an adult? That honestly comes as a bit of a surprise.[/quote]

Oh, how fair and balanced of you. Perhaps you should not complain about brush widths.

Starboy

[Suburbanite]

There are so many more intelligent arguments against the existence of God; I can't take this with more than a grain of salt.

starboy, you are grouping all spirituality into the few organized religions and specifically the catholic church. now i grew up protestant, but changed my ways when i was 15 and began exploring more personal religion and spirituality. this path has been quite fruitful.

i can tell you with full direct certainty that there is a great universal energy which you and i both are part of. the soul, your energy body, exists independently of your physical human form. science will someday recognize the existence of this energy. many examples of it have been provided but the science community, early-modern scientific minds are unable or unwilling to legitimately investigate magic and the mind and god from scientific viewpoints.

when they have, they have found that ESP and reincarnation are real, that magic is real, that reiki and human energy and alternative healing techniques produce tangable results. miracles do occur and some very odd things happen in this reality. life and existence are miraculous.

god is love, god is energy, god is life.

don't let organized religions tell you how you are. find out for yourself.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, There are so many more intelligent arguments against the existence of God; I can't take this with more than a grain of salt.

This is not an argument against the existence of god. This is a list of just a few of the dishonesties of supernatural theists. This has nothing at all to do with the issued of whether or not there is a god or what that god has in mind for mankind. If you like I can begin another thread on that topic. I must say however that even though I am an atheist my heart is not in it. I am not for wiping out supernatural theists of the face of the earth; I just want them to be honest.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, when they have, they have found that ESP and reincarnation are real, that magic is real, that reiki and human energy and alternative healing techniques produce tangable results. miracles do occur and some very odd things happen in this reality. life and existence are miraculous. god is love, god is energy, god is life.

Hey Bob, don't forget UFO's, leprechauns, the comet spaceship that is coming to take us to the next level, oh, and the rapture. Good luck to you Bob and all of the dishonest reality challenged out there where ever they may be that think that just because they believe it in their heart it makes it so.

Starboy

[Inquisitor]

For many these claims are in direct contradiction with the discoveries of science.

Is that so? Would you be so kind to indicate a single instance where a science proved Christianity ( I am talking about Christianity as the post is mainly anti-Christian) to be wrong?

But this position by the pope is just a double standard.

Indeed so. Pope has never been a supreme authority to All Christians. To me he is closer to an anti-christ.

All of this is possible because the religious are trained to believe in realities that do not have to be real (a self deception and a lie if there ever was one.)

Trained? Isn't today it's the right thing to do to be non-believer? I grew up in aggresevly atheist society. In school, mass media etc. I had been subjected to all sorts of anti-religious propaganda ( including by trained anti-religious preachers on government salory). Guess what. All this propaganda turned out to be lies and faith is still there.

5. Lies, lies and more lies about almost everything Then there is just the constant drone of lies and nonsense from the religious about everything, such as morals coming from god, god could only be good, the universe was created just for us, the constitution is based on the bible and on and on and on... It makes me wonder if you must be a moron to be religious.

Correct me if I am wrong, yet I believe in order to say that something is a lie it should be proven to be a lie. Yes the burden of proof is on person making the statement. In this case it's you making unfounded statements that religioun had been proven lie by science. So, please take it a step further, proven a lie by what science?

The religious prey on the young when they are unable to critically examine their outrageous claims.

The exact opposite in my case. When I was young ( and stupid) I was an atheist. Eventually I grew up to understand the concept of God and to become deeply religious.

My main criticism is. You seem to be completly ignorant about doctrine of Church, you have never read a single page of theological literature. You thinking is groundless, agressive, ill informed and arrogant. Yet you believe that this makes you morally and intellectually superiour. Ever heard of megalomania?

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Inquisitor, Is that so? Would you be so kind to indicate a single instance where a science proved Christianity ( I am talking about Christianity as the post is mainly anti-Christian) to be wrong?

I would think that a poster with the name of Inquisitor would at least be familiar with the case of Galileo. Let us not forget the ongoing struggle between Christianity and the Theory of Evolution, just to name a few.

Indeed so. Pope has never been a supreme authority to All Christians. To me he is closer to an anti-christ.

There was a time in the history of Christianity when the Pope was the arbiter of everything Christian. You are aware of course that Jesus did not shit the bible out of his ass as he died on the cross. It was compiled by a council under the direction of the pope and the emperor of Rome long after Jesus and Paul(Saul) were dead. Sorry but the Catholics created the bible. If they think that it is not the end all and be all then one must defer to them. The bible is the bible by the authority of the pope. So I am amazed why all Christians are not Catholics (not really, most Christians know close to nothing about their own religion).

Trained? Isn't today it's the right thing to do to be non-believer? I grew up in aggresevly atheist society. In school, mass media etc. I had been subjected to all sorts of anti-religious propaganda ( including by trained anti-religious preachers on government salory). Guess what. All this propaganda turned out to be lies and faith is still there.

Actually I don't care what you believe. You have a right to believe as you wish. Just don't expect everyone to swallow your bullshit and do expect people to get upset when you decide that your particular religious take on reality should be enforced by a government based on the principles of freedom of religion. But just as I told a previous poster, this is not about the existence of god or what it wants or whatever. This is about the dishonesty of supernatural theists. At least try to wear your cloak of shame with a little pride if not honesty.

5. Lies, lies and more lies about almost everything Then there is just the constant drone of lies and nonsense from the religious about everything, such as morals coming from god, god could only be good, the universe was created just for us, the constitution is based on the bible and on and on and on... It makes me wonder if you must be a moron to be religious. Correct me if I am wrong, yet I believe in order to say that something is a lie it should be proven to be a lie. Yes the burden of proof is on person making the statement. In this case it's you making unfounded statements that religioun had been proven lie by science. So, please take it a step further, proven a lie by what science?

Gosh, you may not be aware of this but there are a very large number of Christians in this country that take a literal interpretation of the bible. They say things like the earth is only a few thousand years old. That man did not evolve from lower life forms, that the universe was created in seven days and in the wrong order and on and on and on. Please tell me that you are simply so ignorant that you are completely unawares of such Christians, otherwise I would have to say that you are being dishonest in your very post.

But even if we ignore such Christians there are still many Christians that say things like this is a Christian country, the constitution is based on the bible, or as you said before the Pope is the anti-christ or that Christians have never persecuted anybody in the name of god and on and on and on. You see they can't help it. By their belief in an almost two millennia tradition that started out with lies and deceptions and continued from there with an ongoing tradition of suppression, ignorance and lies on top of lies they are forced to lie to themselves at the get go just to feel good about them selves. I have never been able to figure out why anybody would ever want to be identified with Christianity even if they did believe in god.

The exact opposite in my case. When I was young ( and stupid) I was an atheist. Eventually I grew up to understand the concept of God and to become deeply religious.

I am willing to bet that you don't even know what an atheist is.

My main criticism is. You seem to be completly ignorant about doctrine of Church, you have never read a single page of theological literature. You thinking is groundless, agressive, ill informed and arrogant. Yet you believe that this makes you morally and intellectually superiour. Ever heard of megalomania?

Ha! Doctrine of Church and you don't follow the Pope. Do you realize how ignorant or dishonest such a statement makes you look? Before you attack my knowledge you had best address my main points as listed in the OP which have nothing to do with any specific church doctrine. If you are a liar on general principles, zig zagging through theological tomes is superfluous. And call me any names you wish. It would not be the first time I have recieved such treatment at the hands of those oh so loving Christians (yet another lie).

Starboy

[Inquisitor]

I would think that a poster with the name of Inquisitor would at least be familiar with the case of Galileo. Let us not forget the ongoing struggle between Christianity and the Theory of Evolution, just to name a few.

If my memory serves me right, secular authorities have also prosecuted people proffesing unorthodox ideas e.g. revisionists. So I fail to see how this relevant to Christianity. Besides, Bible does not specify the exact composition of universe.
Theory of evolution is just that, a theory. There is no absolute proof that this theory is right.

There was a time in the history of Christianity when the Pope was the arbiter of everything Christian

Well, your ignorance can hardly surprise me. Apart from Roman Catholic Church ( of which you have heard something), there is also The Orthodox Church.
"Orthodox and Catholics separated officially in 1054... the real reason was the "supremacy of the Pope in the Church", the "successor of Peter"."
So pope does not represent all Christians. In fact the claim that he does was the real reason for separation of catholicism from the true Church.

You are aware of course that Jesus did not shit the bible out of his ass as he died on the cross. It was compiled by a council under the direction of the pope and the emperor of Rome long after Jesus and Paul(Saul) were dead. Sorry but the Catholics created the bible

Another sample of your ignorance.
"The Bible is the divinely inspired Word of God (II Timothy 3:16), and is a crucial part of God's self-revelation to the human race. The Old Testament tells the history of that revelation from Creation through the Age of the Prophets. The New Testament records the birth and life of Jesus as well as the writings of His Apostles. It also includes some of the history of the early Church and especially sets forth the Church's apostolic doctrine. Though these writings were read in the Churches from the time they first appeared, the earliest listings of all the New Testament books exactly as we know them today is found in the 33rd Canon of a local council held at Carthage in 318, and in a fragment of St. Athanasius of Alexandria's Festal Letter in 367. Both sources list all of the books of the New Testament without exception. A local council, probably held at Rome in 382, set forth a complete list of the canonical books of both the Old and the New Testaments. The Scriptures are at the very heart of Orthodox worship and devotion. "
The Bible was set the way it is without the pope.
As you probably don't know, in the first 300 years of its existence, Christianity was prosecuted, So the idea of authorities creating The Bible to suit them is untrue. Authorities in fact were hunting Christians and destroying everything which was Holy to them.

You have a right to believe as you wish. Just don't expect everyone to swallow your bullshit and do expect people to get upset when you decide that your particular religious take on reality should be enforced by a government based on the principles of freedom of religion

I don't expect any government to enforce my religious belief. In fact I fully expect government to start prosecutions of Christians ( as it happened before) as predicted in Revelations.The full scale prosecutions will start when anti-christ takes power ( world government).

That man did not evolve from lower life forms

There is no evidence that he did.

But even if we ignore such Christians there are still many Christians that say things like this is a Christian country, the constitution is based on the bible,

These Christians are ignorant. There cannot be costitution based on The Bible. Simply because constitution, elections and democracy are anti-christian ideas.

I just recalled a story which happened in 1918. Academic Pavlov (For his original work in science of behavior, Pavlov was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1904. By then he had turned to studying the laws on the formation of conditioned reflexes, a topic on which he worked until his death in 1936. His discoveries in this field paved the way for an objective science of behavior.) walked out of a Church and was confronted by drunken, uneducated "revolutionary sailor", who said " still believe in God? You ignorant, old fool!".
Looks like you are not the first one who claims intellectual superiority on the basis of atheism. So you were awarded a nobel prize for what? You weren't? How is this possible? You are an atheist so clearly by your logic a genius, just like that sailor who BTW could not read or write.

[Zeebadee]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, many examples of it have been provided but the science community, early-modern scientific minds are unable or unwilling to legitimately investigate magic and the mind and god from scientific viewpoints.

I, for one, would sure like to see some examples of this. I hate to respond in a one-liner, but I would like some amplifying data.

I believe that there is some Intelligent Design behind the Universe, so there must be some purpose behind the creation of each of us. Intelligent Design invalidates the concept of "magic" in the Grand Scheme of things.