How do you say Black Person?

[Compugasm]

Black-American, are you joking? Do they really make a distinction like this?

[Suburbanite]

Well what the hell do they have to do with Africa anymore? I've heard Black-American.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, Unless someone is Black skinned, and I mean black, calling them black is racially motivated. Might not be racist, in fact, it isn't racist, but it is surely racially motivated.

Not true. I am white, and no matter how dark (tan) I get, I am still called white. Nothing racially motivated aobut it, excepting the motivation to describe one as being of the white (caucasion) or black (negroid) race.

[Suburbanite]

yea... that is racial motivation. Thats what it means. It might not be racistly motivated, which is where both you guys seem to be confused, but it is a catagory based on race, racial motiviation.

[Mia]

I wasn't confused. Most people mean racist when they say racial.

I was simply clarifying.

[Nono]

Originally posted by Suburbanite Well what the hell do they have to do with Africa anymore?

Oh just the trifle of a little collective experience of hundreds of years of being held as slaves, of children being sold down the river before their mothers' eyes, of women being "mated" with men they might never see again.

Think about the repercussions of that on people's mentality.
And they didn't get the melting-pot treatment afterwards, did they? They got segregation, and to some extent still do (ain't official, course, but...).

So in many ways they're still straight off the boat. Very African. (How could they be otherwise?) It was the white majority who saw to that.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Mia, I wasn't confused. Most people mean racist when they say racial. I was simply clarifying.

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[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Nono,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nono,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite Well what the hell do they have to do with Africa anymore?

Oh just the trifle of a little collective experience of hundreds of years of being held as slaves, of children being sold down the river before their mothers' eyes, of women being "mated" with men they might never see again.

Think about the repercussions of that on people's mentality.
And they didn't get the melting-pot treatment afterwards, did they? They got segregation, and to some extent still do (ain't official, course, but...).

So in many ways they're still straight off the boat. Very African. (How could they be otherwise?) It was the white majority who saw to that.[/b][/quote]

If you were to say they are still very much slaves, we might have something to talk about. But Whites made sure they are everything but African. They speak no African languages, often have no history of their nation of origin, and most Black people are not fully of African decent, as Black women were raped by white men first, black freed men had sex with Native Americans and this has been going on for 200 years. So I don't think Black people in America have anything to do with Africa anymore, Africans would probably agree, as would most Black people.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia, I wasn't confused.  Most people mean racist when they say racial.  I was simply clarifying.

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Right - obviously I know the difference, which you could tell from what I wrote. So I will assume you meant this for all those that don't. :rolleyes:

[Technosoul]

I posted other because you can call people by any name that would denote their heritage and it is okay as long as you do not use names for the purpose of degrading someone in a manner that is not respectful.

Simple as a b c.

Technosoul.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Suburbanite,@ <!--QuoteBegin-Mia, I wasn't confused. Most people mean racist when they say racial. I was simply clarifying. www.dictionary.com an amazing tool

Right - obviously I know the difference, which you could tell from what I wrote. So I will assume you meant this for all those that don't. :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]

you know what happens when you assume. ass-u-me

[Mia]

If you intend to continue trying to tear down perfectly valid arguments due to your little grudge with me, at least do so in a less pathetic manner.

You really have to reach. That is just sad. :( :rolleyes:

[Nono]

Originally posted by Suburbanite If you were to say they are still very much slaves, we might have something to talk about. But Whites made sure they are everything but African. They speak no African languages, often have no history of their nation of origin, and most Black people are not fully of African decent, as Black women were raped by white men first, black freed men had sex with Native Americans and this has been going on for 200 years. So I don't think Black people in America have anything to do with Africa anymore, Africans would probably agree, as would most Black people.

There’s a lot of truth to what you say. American blacks in any case should be regarded first and foremost as Americans. Certainly they are, for the reasons you cite, a real genetic cocktail. And so are the rest of us. If we only knew what’s in our ancestry, some among us would flip.

But I would say: What about their music? (Which is now our music too.) Plenty of African aspects there. And from what I’ve heard the black American dialect (or dialects) of English have African influence, along with French and Spanish.

Genes aren’t everything. What I’d call mentality persists tenaciously from generation to generation by means of upbringing and environment. My ancestors were mostly Scots (whatever that means: Celts? Vikings? Other Germanics? Basques? Who knows for sure?) Though they’re several generations removed from me, I often find in myself attitudes that I’d say are very Scots (and my Italian wife would emphatically agree). I see the same thing among my relatives. All this had to be handed down somehow.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Nono,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nono,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite If you were to say they are still very much slaves, we might have something to talk about. But Whites made sure they are everything but African. They speak no African languages, often have no history of their nation of origin, and most Black people are not fully of African decent, as Black women were raped by white men first, black freed men had sex with Native Americans and this has been going on for 200 years. So I don't think Black people in America have anything to do with Africa anymore, Africans would probably agree, as would most Black people.

There’s a lot of truth to what you say. American blacks in any case should be regarded first and foremost as Americans. Certainly they are, for the reasons you cite, a real genetic cocktail. And so are the rest of us. If we only knew what’s in our ancestry, some among us would flip.

But I would say: What about their music? (Which is now our music too.) Plenty of African aspects there. And from what I’ve heard the black American dialect (or dialects) of English have African influence, along with French and Spanish.

Genes aren’t everything. What I’d call mentality persists tenaciously from generation to generation by means of upbringing and environment. My ancestors were mostly Scots (whatever that means: Celts? Vikings? Other Germanics? Basques? Who knows for sure?) Though they’re several generations removed from me, I often find in myself attitudes that I’d say are very Scots (and my Italian wife would emphatically agree). I see the same thing among my relatives. All this had to be handed down somehow.[/b][/quote]

Rap was started in Africa, this is true. But Jazz, Hip Hop, Rock, Blues... all American. And it is without real attribution on consciouseness that these people are influenced.
As for the Black Dialect, it is mostlu spawned my a lack of knowledge back during slavery. It started there at least, and today its reasons for existing, which i am not going to get into right now, are much more modern.
As far as that remaining thinking pattern you speak about, I agree. It doesn't exist in you large enough to call you an Irish-American though, and the same for Blacks.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Mia, If you intend to continue trying to tear down perfectly valid arguments due to your little grudge with me, at least do so in a less pathetic manner. You really have to reach. That is just sad. :( :rolleyes:

C'mon don't do this. You were incorrect, the texts remain unedited. You asserted, as if someone was just begging for your majestic assistance, in defending the definition of racially. I don't have a personal grudge against you at all, I give no mental consideration to you even when I am replying to you. It would have garnered the same reply had it been posted anonymously. I just don't feel like I have to treat you like a child, you're an elderly women I shouldn't have to hold you by the hands through the steps of logic. I advise you not to reply to me anymore, I seem to upset you, which isn’t very healthy.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Technosoul, I posted other because you can call people by any name that would denote their heritage and it is okay as long as you do not use names for the purpose of degrading someone in a manner that is not respectful. Simple as a b c. Technosoul.

good point, I like that concept. I think it works when applied to a more general social scale too.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mia, If you intend to continue trying to tear down perfectly valid arguments due to your little grudge with me, at least do so in a less pathetic manner. You really have to reach.  That is just sad.  :(  :rolleyes:

C'mon don't do this. You were incorrect, the texts remain unedited. You asserted, as if someone was just begging for your majestic assistance, in defending the definition of racially. I don't have a personal grudge against you at all, I give no mental consideration to you even when I am replying to you. It would have garnered the same reply had it been posted anonymously. I just don't feel like I have to treat you like a child, you're an elderly women I shouldn't have to hold you by the hands through the steps of logic. I advise you not to reply to me anymore, I seem to upset you, which isn’t very healthy.[/b][/quote]

Like I said: Pathetic. Sorry for your inferiority complex. :rolleyes:

Elderly my ass!

LOL...I am young, baby, and getting younger by the day. Yet you could never catch up to me in any way...

[Suburbanite]

okay

[Mia]

Finally. Now how about staying off my back? If you're so great, beat me in a debate, and keep the stupid insults to yourself.

Savvy?

[Suburbanite]

Aye Aye Captain.