A Wicca introduction

[orgaelin]

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that *I* am victim of a prank, and perhaps I might suggest you direct your discontent towards a certain local villain named Inquisitor.

[orgaelin]

Castille, did you get one from 'me' as well?

[Inquisitor]

I agree Inquisitor! Let us take up arms against the heretics, unbelievers, Satanists, and cult members! We will crush the mortals beneath our feet and bath in the blood of heretics! Let the world drown in blood and fire and terror, and let the pathetic mortals tremble beneath our power and glory!

No matter how tempting it may sound, I am against such a course of action.

Dear Lord, I ask that you watch over the world and do your best to prevent men like Inquisitor from ever obtaining positions of power. Amen.

There is a great faith required in order for prayer to work. Your disabled soul is incapable of true faith.

Oh COME ON! So how come no-one except this one serious scientist is aware of there being some top-secret underground organisation of witches? If they were as dangerous as you and your buddy suggest, we'd all be dead already. But since we're not, they're not, and you're nuts.

There is no top secret organisation of witches. Just like viruses trhey cause harm because it's in their nature, not because they organised.

That means nearly every teenager on the planet. Great. We're doomed.

Of course we are doomed. Hasn't the end of the world been prophessed?

Like the Catholic popes, for example.

Did I not say that catholicism is a heresy?

What?

Tolerance to evil is the evil itself. E.g. a homosexual rights activist ( even if he is straight ) is exactly as guilty as a homosexual.

Ha! I think this ought to be the last time I bother responding to any of your posts. You're not healthy, and if you lived down the street for me, as God is my witness I would contact a psychiatrist to have you committed, and I would show him your posts, and I tell you with all surety you would be committed to insane assylum. You're too far over the edge.

I used to attend a very elite military college ( not in US ). To be accepted I had to go through most stringent medical and psychological tests. All confirmed my physical and mental health. So your opinion is at best subjective.

Again, like a massive number of Catholic priests.

Do you have a hard time to accept that many catholic priests are degenerates?

Which are common throughout society.

It is all about predisposition. A witch is mentally ill by definition, for the most common mental illness is " moral blindness".

Well, I haven't seen your face or anything so I couldn't say.

By physical deformities, I mean degenerative traits. Such as: red hair, cross eyes, different coloured eyes, lobless ear, large birthmarks and moles etc.

All the sarcasm aside, speaking with absolutely genuine honesty, Inquisitor, I really do think you need to see a doctor. I'm not trying to be nasty. Your beliefs are unhealthy, and you are a danger as much to yourself as you are to the rest of the world.

This comes from a person whose brother,

delights in discussing his stool with church-folk!.

orgaelin, since your brother is obviously a mentally ill sexual pervert, so you are. Because:
Matthew 7 :18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Therefore there cannot be both good and bad fruits on one tree. So if one fruit is rotten so is another one. By tree of course I mean your family's genes.

[orgaelin]

'Fess up Inquisitor... it was you who sent messages to people under the name "Orgalaelin", wasn't it?

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by orgaelin,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (orgaelin,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Autophage I just know a large number of idiots, some of whom are (or rather, claim to be) Wiccan.

It definitely has to be said that Wicca (a word?!) is something that does attract a lot of idiots. Big idiots. They're the kind of people that get a kick out of making people feel awkward, like my brother who delights in discussing his stool with church-folk!

I met one self-professed Wiccan. He also liked to be naked almost 90% of the time. Again it was all aimed at freaking people out. Poeple like him get a kick out of it.

I guess Wicca is just something that is easy to latch onto, since there is no official membership, no mother church, no rules or obligations. You can just call yourself a Wiccan and then drag down the name of Wiccans in general.[/b][/quote]

[Technosoul]

That is true that and so I posted also that factor, but like you said they just drag down the name of Wiccans who do not make a show of thier beliefs in any shocking way. They do have groups you can belong too but it is not an "organized religion" per-say, it is understandable they would not want to publish a big membership list with all the crazy nuts in the Christain religion who would cause them trouble. A lot of wicca groups have dropped the nudity part for their rituals because modern women are uncomfortable.

Now we have a whole new kind of wicca movement which is more of an arts and crafts cult (only used cult because it goes with crafts).

They mostly just read books, enjoy the nature poetry, and they have a whole bunch of things to shop for and buy that they can use for "white" magic (for creating self confidence). Candles, crystals, good luck charms, wicca cookbooks, symbol jewery, bath oils, herbs, rocks, vanity boxes, T-shirts, and so forth.


And sometimes some tarot cards and astrology charts, but higher on the list are books about "how to interpret dreams".

Example -

http://www.wiccanway.com/

You can find hundreds of wicca stores on line selling stuff. Do your Christmas shopping early .....

http://www.isisbooks.com/wicca-stores.html

http://www.kevinslair.com/index.php/Wicca+Supplies

http://www.ladyhawkstreasures.com/stones.htm

http://www.capricornslair.com/

So as you can see it is mostly a religion for women having fun being women. Meditational music, things that are pretty, and chants that can give one a sense of being in control of their life.

Technosoul.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Mia, Wicca is supposedly 'white', or 'good' witchery. There are no levels to worshiping Satan. You cannot be just a little pregnant. You're either with God or Satan. There is no such thing as a 'good' witch. A witch is a witch, and is with Satan. Make your choice carefully. There is no going back if you go to far the wrong way.

There is this idea that nature is somehow an evil influence, that being "animalitic" is the downside to going the other way towards being "holy or righteous" and so anyone who loves nature and the "natual" would not want to become civilized as part of the man-made environment that they belive resulted from the instructions of another God that is "outside" of the natual systems of nature.

The heathens were of the heather, in other words, the city folks were civilized and the farmers were pagans. This conflict between the "hicks from the sticks" and the educated "city slickers" dominated culture for a while.
They just not see "eye to eye".

The main temples were in the city, and they were concerned with how people should live together in the close encounters of city life, morals, etc. Where as the people out in the wilderness, the farmers and sheep herders, were pretty much alone and did not need such ruleing (have distant neighbors). And they needed to know about nature more because they had to know when to plant a certain crop, when to move the livestock to higher ground or back to the lowlands. Etc. All depending on seasonal changes that could be determined by observing nature and things like the location of the sun and moon. Example: we know if we see ducks flying overhead heading south that winter is soon coming. That is a "pagan" read of the "signs". But city folks did not care about such things, as they were dealing in trade items, buying and selling, and stuff that had nothing to do with the moods of nature.

As history continued we have the Chruch attempting to civilize savages which was basically the idea of making them conform to the etiguette of English life which had been perfected in great detail, like how to properly hold a tea cup, etc. They did not get many converts.

However the war between the city folks and the pagan folks has now evolved into the whole war of capitalism on anything environmental. The money changers hate nature and anyone who loves nature because it (in their eyes) represents the anit-christ of capitalism and progress for the divine manifested destiny for more parking lots.

Just a little missundersanding.

Technosoul.

[Technosoul]

Originally posted by Inquisitor, I agree we should learn about witchcraft, to honor them is impossible if one have actualy learned about them. So who the witches really are? Is it mere superstition? There were serious scientists who dedicated their career to study witches. First name that comes to mind is Montague Summers. In the introduction to his translation of The Malleus Maleficarum (The Witch Hammer), he wrote: " Although it may not be generally recognized, upon a close investigation it seems plain that the witches were a vast political movement, an organized society which was anti-social and anarchichal, a world-wide plot against civilization. " Notice two definitions in the Summers's quote: anti social and anarchical. So in fact it is anti social and anarchical behaviour, coupled with denial of Christianity that really defines a witch. Whether they cause evil active ( sorcery, murder, extortion, blackmail etc. ) or passive ( propaganda of tolerance to evil ) is largely irrelevant. Are there people in todays world that fall under this definition ( anti social, anarchical, anti christian ) ? Of course. Witches, wicca, satanists, communists, greens, human rights activists, pacifists etc. What do they have in common? They all possess signs of a witch. These signs are divided into 3 groups: 1. Sexual perversions 2. Mental disorders 3. Certain physical deformities or to say in short, they are degenerates. Simple experiment. Look carefully at those wiccan at your highschool. Look at their blood relatives ( when possible ), you will notice all these 3 groups of signs.

Organized anarchy eh? So we should do medical examinations of the girl witches in highschools? Take your black dress off girl, gotta check for warts, hmmm?

Anyway, I already explained it to Mia in another post. Go read and know.

Technosoul.

[Technosoul]

Here is another webpage with one sample of wiccan philosophy.

the 13 principles of ....

http://www.controverscial.com/The%2013%20P...an%20Belief.htm

As someone wanted a "brief" look at Wicca beliefs without getting into some complex study book, so here tis...

tech,

[Technosoul]

Never again,

The Burning - the history of the anti-wicca movement and the cross they had to bear (guilty or not).

http://maxpages.com/wiccachika/The_Burning_Times

[Mia]

October is the month the Satan worshipers come out to worship and to 'play'

I had the misfortune to run across some of them 7 years ago this October 6th.

An experience I'm not likely to ever forget.

Is it mere coincidence this is also the month of Wiccans?

Not in my opinion.

Cut from the same cloth, whether they all know it or not.

[orgaelin]

Mia? What's the deal? Sean says there isn't even an account in the name of "Orgalaelin". I hope you will respond so I can find out if my account has been hacked or something.

[Suburbanite]

Originally posted by Mia, Wicca is supposedly 'white', or 'good' witchery. There are no levels to worshiping Satan. You cannot be just a little pregnant. You're either with God or Satan. There is no such thing as a 'good' witch. A witch is a witch, and is with Satan. Make your choice carefully. There is no going back if you go to far the wrong way.

is this a joke? i dont remember you saying dumb things like this

[Ken Carman]

Originally posted by Mia, Wicca is supposedly 'white', or 'good' witchery.  There are no levels to worshiping Satan.  You cannot be just a little pregnant. You're either with God or Satan.  There is no such thing as a 'good' witch. A witch is a witch, and is with Satan. Make your choice carefully.  There is no going back if you go to far the wrong way.

Odd, so many people who claim to be with God seemed more on the side of Satan like Jimmy Jones, David the Whacko from Waco, those who kill clinic workers and doctors... There are even plenty of supposedly "christian" people who claim to be on the side of God who help with or do abortions, if that's more in line with your thinking. The standard schtick is that as soon as they are "revealed" they obviously weren't christians, which I believe is a rather dangerous and mentally ill form of christian denial and delusion. Like any movement, Christianity is home to the sane, insane, the compassionate, the bully and the brutally homicidal. In fact under certain interpretations of Christianity all the man who shoved screaming children into an oven for Hitler had to to do is accept Jesus a fraction of a second before he dies.

I know that black and white thinking is accepted by many, I am not one. I live in a world of color and many shades. Frankly if any God cannot see this truth within his own creation, I wonder if it's simply Satan pretending to be God.


(Inquisitor)

"They all possess signs of a witch. These signs are divided into 3 groups:
1. Sexual perversions
2. Mental disorders
3. Certain physical deformities"

Sounds a lot like many of the real life Barbie doll like Fundie's I've met. Well, don't know about the third one... never inspected the whole "package," and don't intend to. If I wanted plastic I wouldn't unwrap my hamburger before I cooked it. :)

[tusaki]

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mia,@ Wicca is supposedly 'white', or 'good' witchery.  There are no levels to worshiping Satan.  You cannot be just a little pregnant. You're either with God or Satan.  There is no such thing as a 'good' witch. A witch is a witch, and is with Satan. Make your choice carefully.  There is no going back if you go to far the wrong way. is this a joke? i dont remember you saying dumb things like this[/b]

it seems a little weird coming from her, yes. But then again, it could be her opinion.

I don't know anything about Wicca, but I don't believe in a devil nor do I believe in devil-worshiping witches. I think orgaelin summed up my thoughts pretty well:

<!--QuoteBegin-orgaelin
I learned there are elements of truth in everything, Wicca included.[/quote]

[Samildanach]

Satan, God, its all a load of rubbish anyway Mia. Make your choice carefully, you can either believe in fake entity number one or fake entity number two.

[Ken Carman]

Originally posted by Samildanach, Satan, God, its all a load of rubbish anyway Mia. Make your choice carefully, you can either believe in fake entity number one or fake entity number two.

The more pop culture answer to this can be found in "Dogma," "Believe, no, but I have a good idea."

My own might be, "Less a belief, than the desire to explore." (Knowing, of course, when one explores watching out for bear traps is very, very important.)

[Technosoul]

Well, looks like everyone is checking out the wicca webpages and are attempting to comprehend what it REALLY is all about.

And, looks like all the Christains are sharing and spreading their message of brotherly love and peace.

I am sure public schools everywhere will want to share the historical messages expressed by all of you to the next generation so we can have a better world of understanding one another.

Blessed are those who forgive the devil and attian salvation from their own judgemental attitudes.

Blessed are those who embody the unconditional motherly love of the Goddesses and who find harmony with all creation.

Now let me take off my rose colored glasses and get back to the hells you have brought forth upon earth as it is below.

Hmmmm, global warming. whew, turn your damper down.

Anyway, today is another day, so here is another Pagan Post or so amoung the thousands of them in cyberspace.

http://pages.ivillage.com/judynolan/id12.html

http://members.tripod.com/TopCat4/crystal.htm

http://members.tripod.com/~flo34/wolves.html

http://www.mollyann.com/wolfman1.htm

Jung - women who run with wolves.

[The Dunedan]

Techno;
I hate to bust your bubble, but "The Burning Times" are another of those smarmy "anti-Xian" flufbunny scacred cows which don't exist. After the 9th Century, Christianity was "the only game in town" in western Europe. People burned or hanged as witches or heritics were typically accused, among other things, of poisoning their neighbors, stealing crops by magical means, etc. These crimes were, of course, total nonsense. The pre-Christian religions of western Europe were largely fertility cults, most of which practiced human sacrifice to varying degrees.
Wicca was "re-constructed" in the late 1950s and early 1960s by Gerald Gardiner. It bears only the most superficial resemblances to any past religions, and trust me, the largely peaceful Wiccan religion bears nothing like a resemblance to the warlike, polytheistic Celtic religion from which so many Fluffbunnies claim descent. Any honest Wiccan will quite happily admit this; the "Peace, love, and bunny rabbits" and "Christians are stupid, I hate the world" strains which run through a lot of Wicca today are mostly the result of surly adolescants ( of whatever age ) reading one of the innumerable unresearched, unsourced, and BS-filled books on the subject which haunt Barnes & Noble. If you'd like, I can give you the email address of a practicing Gardinarian friend of mine, and he can straighten out some of this: since I have only a very cursory understanding of his Faith, he would be better equipped to answer your questions.

[Technosoul]

Guess you never visited any musem where they have on display all the torture equipment used by the Chruch to get a witch to confess?

Not so fluffy tools of torture.

Now I personally talked to an anicent shaman about the rap they preach about people sacrificing virgins to the volcanno God, and he said not true at all. He said the anicent cultures had capital punishment laws and if someone murdered someone else they would then justice would demand they be tossed into the bottomless pit of fire into the volcanno. Perhaps you were thinking about Abraham when he was going to sacrifice his son, before an angel stopped him from doing it so he would not obey his false god.

Now I have posted a lot of wiccan webpages (none of which you read) and none of them suggested human or animal sacrifices.

So, you have failed to understand the truth.

Technosoul.