Don't matter ...i got faith. Faith trumps your evidence. When are you going to find that out?Quote by: Sonart
Don't matter ...i got faith. Faith trumps your evidence. When are you going to find that out?
Being unable to debate I find it amusing that atheists resort to this kind of thing. None of my posts on this subject have called creationism into question nor offered any Bible quotations for evidence. I prefer to use the evolutionist's own evidence against them.
This is the ultimate strawman.
I researched your chart and found it supports what I just posted. All your examples are either very close to apes or are humans.
PlatoNot, please read about these guys: Mexican tetra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's an example of evolution in action believe it or not. There are a few theorys as to what exactly happened with them, but they are all evolution related. Your not going to tell me god had a hand in this are you?
Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
Neanderthal genome project
(in answer to Angry Citizen).
"Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, in Leipzig, Germany
In July 2006, the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and 454 Life Sciences in the United States announced that they would be sequencing the Neanderthal genome over the next several years. At roughly 3.2 billion base pairs,[1] the Neanderthal genome is about the size of the modern human genome; according to preliminary sequences, modern human and Neanderthal DNA appear to be 99.5% identical (compared to humans sharing around 95% of their genes with the chimpanzee). The researchers recovered ancient DNA of Neanderthals by extracting the DNA from the femur bone of a 38,000-year-old male Neanderthal specimen from Vindija Cave, Croatia, and also other bones found in Spain, Russia, and Germany.[2] Only about half a gram of the bone samples was required for the sequencing, but the project faced many difficulties, including the contamination of the samples by the bacteria that had colonized the Neanderthal's body and humans who handled the bones at the excavation site and at the laboratory.[1]
In 2006, two research teams working on the same Neanderthal sample published their results, Richard Green and his team in Nature,[3] and Noonan et al. in Science.[4] The results were received with some criticism, mainly surrounding the issue of a possible admixture of Neanderthals into the modern human genome.[5] The speech-related gene FOXP2 with the same mutations as in modern humans was discovered in ancient DNA in the El Sidron 1253 and 1351c specimens,[6] suggesting Neanderthals might have shared some basic language capabilities with modern humans.[7]
In February 2009, the Planck Institute's team, led by geneticist Svante Pääbo, announced that they had completed the first draft of the Neanderthal genome, which covers about 63% of the entire base pairs.[1][clarification needed] An early analysis of the data suggested in "the genome of Neanderthals, a human species driven to extinction" "no significant trace of Neanderthal genes in modern humans".[8] New results suggested that some adult Neanderthals were lactose intolerant.[7] On the question of potentially cloning a Neanderthal, Pääbo commented, "Starting from the DNA extracted from a fossil, it is and will remain impossible."[1]
Neanderthal genome project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It can hardly be "used against them" when it's mis-stated, misunderstood and presented in such a way that no evolutionary biologist would agree with it. Anything can be twisted and convoluted into saying something it actually doesn't in an attempt to debunk it. True debunking is the result of properly researched experimentation that challenges an existing theory by showing that the evidence for the theory has been misinterpreted or misapplied or that the evidence doesn't support the conclusions reached.I prefer to use the evolutionist's own evidence against them.
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LOL!!Meaning what? You stared at it for a moment or two? I'm so sorry the fossil record does not present itself as a perfectly calibrated series of exactly divisible percentile graduations between species.
Does your life work that way? Boy, am I jealous.
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I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it
First, I do not present creationist positions to discredit evolution. Evolutionists are quite capable of doing that all on their own. I just point out their inconsistancies and their misrepresentations.
Second, there is nothing in your link that has anything to do with evolution. It is all about adaptation. This is just another example of evolutionists spinning adaptation to try to force it into an evolution mold.
I especially liked the explanation of how natural selection produced eyeless fish by conserving energy. That is perhaps the lamest argument I have ever heard. Exactly why did natural selection select less pigment in the skin? More energy saved?
In 1960 the NFL had only two 300 lb plus players, Ladd and Lipscom. Today there are high school teams that have 300 lb linemen from tackle to tackle. Why? Humans are getting bigger, stronger, and more athletic. I once saw the "Fridge," a bear lineman who was over 300 lbs. jump flat footed onto a waist high table. He was also used as a running back in goal line situations as he ran pretty good.
Adaptation, my friend, adaptation. Is natural selection selecting bigger people making us bigger? Since 1960? Really. Fair skinned people develop more pigment in their skin when moving to bright and hot sunlight climbs. People develop bigger lung capacities when moving to higher elevations. Adaptation. There is an intelligence in our genes that allows for that. Random mutation. Not hardly.
According to your theory the only people who can debate evolution are scientists. Really?
If all life evolved from a single celled creature to what we observe today then there had to be evolution through thousands of species. "Evolution doesn't work that way." is not going to get it. Broad and general statements such as this aren't going to get it either. If you don't speak to specifics then you leave me no choice but to answer you in this manner.
Out of hand condemnation of evolution critics is where the evolutionist has been driven. Their evidence is terribly scarce and they take incredible lattitude in interpreting it and extrapolating what in no way follows. They beg the question by stating there is mountains of evidence when in fact there is only mountains of extrapolation. They redefine almost on a daily basis to avoid being cornered. They ridicule those who debate them seek to apply derisive tags upon them. The more I research the more amazed I am at what purports to be "science."
I've never said or implied that. I do, however, think if you're going to intelligently debate a topic it pays to read up on and have a fair bit of knowledge of that topic. No one needs to be an expert, well informed will do. When comments are pulled out of context (like "Evolution doesn't work that way") and the statements and theories of experts in the field are dismissed with nothing more than incomprehension and baseless denials it hardly counts as any sort of refutation. Willful ignorance, to be sure. But as a counter-argument it falls woefully short.According to your theory the only people who can debate evolution are scientists. Really?
The Forum Rules
Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.
[John F. Kennedy]
The principal value of debate lies in the development of logical thought processes, and the ability to articulate your positions publicly.
[Senator Dick Clark of Iowa]
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
[Terry Pratchett]
Come on, your smarter then that.
Conserving energy is helpful, yes. and in this case that would make them more "fit". what's your point?
I thought you understood evolution.
Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
Evoltution is the way! There is no gods!
Evolution is based on facts, a chain of this led to that. If there was ever something you could bank on it is evolution.
Evolution comes from the earth. Chemicals repeating themselves like a muscle getting trained by running is how a conscious evolves. It first remembers things, then starts to repeat it when you are not doing it. Take a runner that has run too much, their legs would keep going as if they were making them go. So, there is room for things evolving naturally, without the help of the homless santa or dirty wizard.
Now, we have a good idea of what happened, how it happened, and more or less when it happened. The rest is simply academic.
If you were to take crabons, how do you create life from 'clay'? If something is dead it cannot become alive - the rule of abiogenesis. Abiogenesis is conversely used by creationists to show that that things cannot evlove, but, I say, then how were they created? Of course they evolved, because nothing can become alive just for kicks! Say some super fellow decides to make life from the clay, they need to give it blood vessels, cells... the whole toot, out of thin air? How do you change something from clay into something alive?
Now, if you were to say that God made it so because he felt like it, how do you make something hot enough to be alive, out of clay? You cannot create something from nothing unless you know magic, so how did this yank know what to do? Did he play with clay until it sprung to life? Maybe that is why it took so long?
[This is a lost cause because I have already proved God exists, many of them.]
!! Going to my destruction !!
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