Death certificate is imprinted on the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican scholar

[kancer kid]

Times Online (UK) - Death Certificate is Imprinted on the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican Scholar

A Vatican scholar claims to have deciphered the "death certificate" imprinted on the Shroud of Turin, or Holy Shroud, a linen cloth revered by Christians and held by many to bear the image of the crucified Jesus.
Dr Barbara Frale, a researcher in the Vatican secret archives, said "I think I have managed to read the burial certificate of Jesus the Nazarene, or Jesus of Nazareth." She said that she had reconstructed it from fragments of Greek, Hebrew and Latin writing imprinted on the cloth together with the image of the crucified man.

Wow. The last few months have been full of all kinds of new developments in the case of the Shroud of Turin. Is the Shroud really as easy to blow off as some people want it to be?

[Night]

In other news, accountants hired by Jeff Skilling have found that he did no wrong in the enron scandal.

That's like asking a thief to conduct his own trial.

Undeniable evidence, please.

[Zeebadee]

I think what has been released is merely a photocopy of a certificate of death.

I, for one, would like to see the original, long form of the death certificate.

[kancer kid]

In other news, accountants hired by Jeff Skilling have found that he did no wrong in the enron scandal.

That's like asking a thief to conduct his own trial.

Undeniable evidence, please.

I don't really get what you are saying. Undeniable evidence of what? That the Shroud was the burial clothe of Jesus? Assuredly, that would be IMPOSSIBLE to provide.

However, we can try and show if the image came about naturally, which has not been done, by a miracle, which we cannot really prove because by default that is supernatural, or by forgery, which an Italian tried to do not that long ago and the jury is out on whether he proved that or not.

Italian Scientists Reproduces Shroud of Turin

Knights Templar hid the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican

Turin Shroud 'could be genuine as carbon-dating was flawed'

Why the Italian Fake Does Not Reproduce the Shroud of Turin

[Ender]

I don't really get what you are saying. Undeniable evidence of what? That the Shroud was the burial clothe of Jesus? Assuredly, that would be IMPOSSIBLE to provide.

However, we can try and show if the image came about naturally, which has not been done, by a miracle, which we cannot really prove because by default that is supernatural, or by forgery, which an Italian tried to do not that long ago and the jury is out on whether he proved that or not.

Italian Scientists Reproduces Shroud of Turin

Knights Templar hid the Shroud of Turin, says Vatican

Turin Shroud 'could be genuine as carbon-dating was flawed'

Why the Italian Fake Does Not Reproduce the Shroud of Turin

That carbon dating story is very interesting. I saw a special on this, and the testing was almost certainly inaccurate. But I don't think the Vatican will permit a new one. The Shroud of Turin isn't very important to me, but it would be interesting to know when it really was made.

[Apeman81]

In other news, accountants hired by Jeff Skilling have found that he did no wrong in the enron scandal.

That's like asking a thief to conduct his own trial.

Undeniable evidence, please.

Perhaps this is a "the science is settled" moment.

Thus, no requirement for "Undeniable evidence" is recognized

[kancer kid]

That carbon dating story is very interesting. I saw a special on this, and the testing was almost certainly inaccurate. But I don't think the Vatican will permit a new one. The Shroud of Turin isn't very important to me, but it would be interesting to know when it really was made.

I wonder if a multiple testing scenario would make the results more accurate. Test pieces of the Shroud from multiple areas of it. Yet, I have also heard the Shroud is made out of a material which cannot be accurately dated with the Carbon-14 method.

[lukas8u]

True that Zebadee.

[kancer kid]

I think what has been released is merely a photocopy of a certificate of death.

I, for one, would like to see the original, long form of the death certificate.

Do you mean the original copy of the Death Certificate, the one that made the image? Or do you mean the image on the Shroud? I doubt the death certificate that made the image would ever surface..

[Deadeye]

The shroud is something like 500 years old. I've read the exact date, or a bracket of them. It has been tested several times and it's just not the shroud that covered Christ's body.

It's okay if you want to believe it, as it does no harm. If it makes you feel good to believe that the shroud is real, then have at it. Fact is, however; it's not.

[kancer kid]

The shroud is something like 500 years old. I've read the exact date, or a bracket of them. It has been tested several times and it's just not the shroud that covered Christ's body.

It's okay if you want to believe it, as it does no harm. If it makes you feel good to believe that the shroud is real, then have at it. Fact is, however; it's not.

You are in fact wrong, or most likely wrong, about the supposed fact the Shroud of Turin is 500 years old. See this thread I just posted for more information why. The Shroud COULD be 500 years old, but the piece of it they tested, and they only tested it once, albeit at three different labs, was a piece of the Shroud most likely manipulated in the 16th century, or added to the Shroud due to damage done to it at that time or before. See this recent news article about a scientist, namely Ray Rogers who worked on the research group that study the Shroud and worked at Los Alamos, who states the dating was most likely faulty.

I personally do not believe the Shroud is the burial clothe of Jesus for I am an atheist. But, when new evidence comes to light, as a skeptic, I must look at it and relate it back to previously believed evidence and come to a new conclusion.

[Deadeye]

You are in fact wrong, or most likely wrong, about the supposed fact the Shroud of Turin is 500 years old. See this thread I just posted for more information why. The Shroud COULD be 500 years old, but the piece of it they tested, and they only tested it once, albeit at three different labs, was a piece of the Shroud most likely manipulated in the 16th century, or added to the Shroud due to damage done to it at that time or before. See this recent news article about a scientist, namely Ray Rogers who worked on the research group that study the Shroud and worked at Los Alamos, who states the dating was most likely faulty.

I personally do not believe the Shroud is the burial clothe of Jesus for I am an atheist. But, when new evidence comes to light, as a skeptic, I must look at it and relate it back to previously believed evidence and come to a new conclusion.

Look; if you want to believe that the Shroud is 2,000 years old, and if it helps you with your faith, then please believe as you will. I'm not buying it. I too have read the materials that state it was made during the Renaissance. The work was done something like 20 years ago. There was supporting evidence that it was made sometime around 1500. (I can't recall the date exactly.)

I support people who are religious; unless they are fanatical Muslims. But the Shroud is meaningless to me.