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Old Dec 17, 2003, 02:40 am   #41 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitnet)
it is meant exactly how the weak mean it... be balanced, not too strong to take advantage over the weak...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Until the situation changes and what was weak has becomes strength, in which the strong are without.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitnet)
mystic frauds and metaphysical nonsense...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Fraud implies as if I was selling some item, I am not, I was merely espousing my own personal values.
Though the fact that certain terms can be replaced by real life examples suggests that it is not metaphysical......

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitnet)
life is about living, conquering death while one can... <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Yes and Nag is about Nagging. Conquering death while one can is not the sole objective for living; a mouse conquers death in it's ability to continue to live, but it does not represent it's role in life itself or it's experiances.




</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitnet)
there is no guarantee of tomorrow, all there is is the now... live while you can... do whatever is in your ability to do...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

"There is no guarantee of tomorrow", when one makes short sighted decisons based on "all that is is now" especially when they have no thoughts of the consequences of their actions when they "do whatever is in their ability to do" all because they need to "live while they can"?
"it is your life that is wasted..." quote end quote.

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Old Dec 17, 2003, 03:52 am   #42 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
"the spirit of life" is a fiction...

mystic frauds and metaphysical nonsense...

life is about living, conquering death while one can...

balance is for the weak who plead that the strong do not take advantage...
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This is too funny or too sad. No one knows for certain what lies beyond. To see it as absolute fact limits your mind's great potential. It must be an honor for us to share how deep you are.

No life can conquer death. Strong or weak, we all die. 10000 years from now, it will hardly matter how smart you are. Strength lies in testing your self and your character. To accept who you are and what you've done. Maybe then can you rest with peace.


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Old Dec 17, 2003, 10:45 am   #43 (permalink) (top)
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"""balance" is for the weak..."
how is balance for the weak? uncontrolled anger eventually corrupts without some emotional balance. mirrored in civilization violence eventually corrupts without peace. balance is definately important and not a sign of weakness, i would view it to hold much more strength than any one sided agenda. i view that as a greater 'weak mindedness'."

it has nothing to do with emotions... read your Nietzsche

"edit:long day didn't mean to sass :P"

no worries, I read it as a typical response...

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"Until the situation changes and what was weak has becomes strength, in which the strong are without."

which never happens... in the words of Aerosmith... "Dream on..."

"Fraud implies as if I was selling some item, I am not, I was merely espousing my own personal values."

you were "selling" your belief system in the hopes and vain imaginings that someone else would believe as you do... and some very well may, that is beside the point...

"Conquering death while one can is not the sole objective for living; a mouse conquers death in it's ability to continue to live, but it does not represent it's role in life itself or it's experiances."

as I said, life is what you make it... if you wish to live as a mouse, that is your problem...

"To deconstruct Nihilism: fill in the void"

with puffery, make believe and metaphysical lies? or with slave morality, utopian fantasy, perfect worlds?

not today... you need to read Twilight of the Idols and The Genealogy of Morals

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"No one knows for certain what lies beyond. To see it as absolute fact limits your mind's great potential."

to see it as anything else is illogical...

"No life can conquer death. Strong or weak, we all die."

I never said we didn't... WHILE one is living, one conquers death...

"Strength lies in testing your self and your character."

test to the standard of the herd?

you need to read Thus Spake Zarathustra


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Old Dec 17, 2003, 07:34 pm   #44 (permalink) (top)
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The world itself is illogical; it's chaotic. Then it's only fitting that human nature is illogical as well. There's also a sense of elegance and beauty that comes with the chaos. You can try to sanitize it with logic and reason, but you can only try. I would imagine one aspect of failure is the bitter denial of your impending death.

Then I agree. Dying comes in many forms. Paralysis is sometimes death.

Not to the herd. To your inner-self. Subconscious is not the best fitting word for it. The herd plays as big a role as the rest of your environment. To illustrate, inner happiness isn't when things are going your way. It's when you're content with all your efforts despite things not turning out the way you've planned it to be.


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Old Dec 18, 2003, 01:42 am   #45 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (white rice,)
The world itself is illogical; it's chaotic. Then it's only fitting that human nature is illogical as well. There's also a sense of elegance and beauty that comes with the chaos. You can try to sanitize it with logic and reason, but you can only try. I would imagine one aspect of failure is the bitter denial of your impending death.

Then I agree. Dying comes in many forms. Paralysis is sometimes death.

Not to the herd. To your inner-self. Subconscious is not the best fitting word for it. The herd plays as big a role as the rest of your environment. To illustrate, inner happiness isn't when things are going your way. It's when you're content with all your efforts despite things not turning out the way you've planned it to be.
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the world is illogical and chaotic... and you actually believe that you can plan for future events? are you kidding yourself?

the chaotic inner self? the one that changes with each new moment? are you the same person now as you were last year? last week? a minute ago? time marches on, everything changes... an insane plan for a chaotic future... content? when? in the forgotten irretrievable past? in the chaotic illogical unknown future?


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Old Dec 18, 2003, 03:45 am   #46 (permalink) (top)
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Ummmm I beleive the way White Rice worded his sentence meant that you cannot really plan for the future......you missed the point entirely.
I dont know how more clearly he could have stated it, so I will repeat him again: *It's when your content with all your efforts despite things not turning out the way you plannned*.
You still need goals to acheive for to drive you to do things: which is in essence a plan.

Thus you just rambled on about personal Identity and it's basis for really nothing.

Since you've been suggesting books though, I suggest you read CHAOS by James Gleick, it's about how order can be derived from Chaos.

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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
which never happens... in the words of Aerosmith... "Dream on..."<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Happens all the time in nature, ah the dangers of quoting popular music.......
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
you were "selling" your belief system in the hopes and vain imaginings that someone else would believe as you do<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
No I was sharing, because the thread asked for input and I did without the need for compensation, whether it be social validity or monetary in form.
But I do have the need to respond when someone twists the intentions of my actions and my words (which of course are synonomous on a forum plain) and distorts what I am saying.
Which you have such a penchance for doing to me and others in these forums.


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Old Dec 18, 2003, 10:01 am   #47 (permalink) (top)
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"Ummmm I beleive the way White Rice worded his sentence meant that you cannot really plan for the future......you missed the point entirely.
I dont know how more clearly he could have stated it, so I will repeat him again: *It's when your content with all your efforts despite things not turning out the way you plannned*.
You still need goals to acheive for to drive you to do things: which is in essence a plan."

no, you are the one who missed the point entirely...

there is chaos
you cannot plan for anything but chaos
to imagine that you can plan for anything besides chaos is an error

yet you think "You still need goals to acheive for to drive you to do things: which is in essence a plan"

and the imagining that "order" can be derived from chaos is delusion... a logical impossibility...

all the time? show me three instances of it...

I distort what you say? not at all... I illuminate it and show you its flaws...


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Old Dec 18, 2003, 05:31 pm   #48 (permalink) (top)
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"it has nothing to do with emotions... read your Nietzsche"

that was one example.. balance happens.
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Old Dec 19, 2003, 02:12 am   #49 (permalink) (top)
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the strong have no need for balance... they act from a position of strength and power...


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Old Dec 20, 2003, 02:01 am   #50 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
I must be in a philosophical mood tonight....


What is the point of life?

Is it to serve others? But if everyone must serve each other, than are we nothing more than servants?

Is it to serve ourselves? If so, for what purpose?

Is it to change the world? But once we die, we don't care whether the world has changed.

What, then, is life for?
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The great Zen master sat at the entrence to a cave. A young man approached and asked him, "Master, what does it all mean?"

The master answered... "Young man what is worth more, a single blade of grass or a million dollars?"

The young man answered, "The single blade of grass?"

The master answered, "What the hell are you talking about? Are you stupid? You can buy a whole field of grass with a million dollars."

The master continued, "Which is of more value, a battleship or an orange"

The young man answered "A battleship?"

The man grew angry, "YOu must be really stupid. Can you get vitimin C out of a battleship?"

Just an old parable I heard may years ago.
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Old Dec 20, 2003, 10:17 am   #51 (permalink) (top)
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It would be nice if we all got cast into this world without parents, armed with a single club/knife, and fought for our place amongst the world.

That way everyone starts off equal and gets to achieve what they want to achieve.


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Old Dec 21, 2003, 12:01 am   #52 (permalink) (top)
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We all want to achieve the death of others?
Speak for yourself..........


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Old Dec 21, 2003, 06:12 am   #53 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
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the strong have no need for balance... they act from a position of strength and power...
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right... strength and power is the _only_ thing to live for too huh?
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Old Dec 22, 2003, 07:42 am   #54 (permalink) (top)
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Yea i think we live for ourselves, no one else, we live to keep the human race going, for what purpose I dont know.

I believe we gain knowledge and little understanding when we live, so that when we die, our mind is free'd from our body and free to explore, you can explore anything, you have no body to restrict you.
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Old Dec 22, 2003, 11:57 am   #55 (permalink) (top)
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your mind is not connected to your brain?


also how would we not be godlike in that case? and do you believe in spirits or souls? just curious.
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Old Dec 24, 2003, 12:45 am   #56 (permalink) (top)
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</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)

the world is illogical and chaotic... and you actually believe that you can plan for future events? are you kidding yourself?
<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

You can't plan to buy a car or house? To choose your career? To live with your limitations? Do you really know what you want? Why isn't it that every rich person is happy? What is it that they're missing?

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)

the chaotic inner self? the one that changes with each new moment? are you the same person now as you were last year? last week? a minute ago? time marches on, everything changes... an insane plan for a chaotic future... content? when? in the forgotten irretrievable past? in the chaotic illogical unknown future?
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Becoming old, sick and frail. Painful memories that weren't your choice. Regretful memories that were. You can be content with all of them. Being content comes with acceptance (and I love being vague...).


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Old Dec 26, 2003, 11:47 pm   #57 (permalink) (top)
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I say solve this by process of elimination. What ISN'T the point of life?
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Old Dec 27, 2003, 04:02 am   #58 (permalink) (top)
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an equally complex paradox.
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Old Jan 2, 2004, 09:26 am   #59 (permalink) (top)
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Some people challenge the stars, and rise to great heights.

Others sit in front of television and are happy to be poor.


What makes that vital difference?


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Old Feb 12, 2004, 07:47 am   #60 (permalink) (top)
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When we understand the meaning of life...then we become Gods. But until then, perhaps this will enlighten...


"But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?" (II Kings 18:27)

...Or perhaps not.

Anyway, enjoy the maddness that is life.


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