Anyway, that and your other points are a bit off topic as it relates to my question. Are there any large structures, especially those that might match Noah's ark in size, design, or age - known to man anywhere near that elevation? It is a well known fact that the higher you go, the more difficult the project becomes due to transportation, housing, and weather considerations. Keep in mind that the desert tree line for that mountain range is around 5k feet. How would you explain such a find?
If you don't want to play along with my ground rules, that's fine too, just say so.
I was once asked by an atheist that I work with what would happen if genetic researchers determined that homosexuality was inheritable and there was a distinct gay gene that determines orientation which was immutable.
As scary as it was, I replied that I would have to abandon my Christian faith.
I don't know how comparable that is to my ark analysis but at least I knew within myself that my faith was not beyond reason.
So I'm going to die and go to hell; no surprises there. Anything you would like to add?
Then there are those of us who consider Jesus, if he existed, as just another religious leader elevated to his current divine status by his followers.Anyone who denies Christ is being influenced by him in some form or another.
A safe thing to presume in the face of a complete lack of convincing evidence that any god has existed in reality. No one can say for sure until that hurdle is overcome. Two thousand years and counting, and still nothing beyond faith.This is why I say no matter what proof is given they will not submit to God's authority.
I don't know an atheist who hasn't heard what theists consider "truth". They aren't telling us anything new, anything we haven't heard hundreds of times in our lives. And we're still unimpressed. So really, you don't need to keep telling us the same thing over and over. Repetition does not infer validity.It is a Christian's duty until we are finally relieved of this life to tell them the truth.
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I'm shelving it with the theories like abiotic/mantle-derived oil. Unless such theories can be used to make a scientific prediction that can be scientifically validated and/or irrefutable evidence is found to support it, the theories can sit there and collect dust. They are useless to me as a scientist.
As I said before, it is impossible to know how an unknown occurrence might be explained.
And your rules are...? The same as Volconvo's, I hopeIf you don't want to play along with my ground rules, that's fine too, just say so.
Various evangelicals have claimed to have found the ark at various times and places. None turned out to be the remains of a ship as described in the Bible.
If such a ship was ever found I would be intrigued, particularly as I have a background in ship design. Would that be sufficient to make me want to accept the entire Judio-Christian cosmology? No. But it would make me want to learn as much about the original ship as possible.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis
Your saying that there are two Noah's? If the destruction already happened once and Noah saved all the animals, then another Noah is going to save all the animals. Is your name Noah? If not, then your in the same boat as the rest of the Christians.
You can find me if you want me in the garden unless it's pouring down with rain.
and don't forget about how God promised not to destroy the world again.
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