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tobiasthecommie · Nov 27, 2003, 05:49 am

Well, shouldn't they, consider the second commandment:
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

So wouldn't any illustration of god, satan, jesus(god), angels, heaven, and maybe even profets(who now is in the heaven above) satisfy that commandment, and send you to hell?
Im just wondering about the merits of Christianity. If you take gay relationships protesters say its a against the bible. And abortion protesters say we can't kill, because of the sixth commandment 'You shall not murder.'

So who decides what commandments to follow. If we have to follow the sixth and not murder, then why shouldn't we follow the second and not make anything with likeness to heaven or hell. And would a 10 year old girl who draw an angel in art class go to hell.

Considering the weight many religius fanatics put in, atlest the sixth, commandment, how can a religion exist where all the priests and most of the members have broken one of the most sacred rules(the second).

SincerlY
A Bastard Commie

Impenitent · Nov 27, 2003, 10:19 am

why would a communist care about the imagined afterlife of opium addicted religious types?

tobiasthecommie · Nov 27, 2003, 10:31 am

because i want to prove the religion is nothing but opium :D

G. Adams · Nov 27, 2003, 11:47 am

Many communists do not reject a spiritual life, just simply organised religion, as it part of relgions that have kept them in slavery.

BTW, from the title it looks like your knocking catholics rather than christians.

tobiasthecommie · Nov 27, 2003, 12:14 pm

im not that into religion, im currently reading the bible, but in denmark there really is only one christian cult. not sure if its catholic, protestant or something else. I dont know the difference between the too.

But ok, ill refrase.
Isn't any representative of the church, who preach in a house of god, going to hell. I think it will be rather impossible to find any house of god without illustrations of jesus or angels in some form or another.

Impenitent · Nov 28, 2003, 01:02 am

look in a temple or a mosque

cheesemage · Nov 30, 2003, 12:37 pm

Er well, again this seems to be a Catholic thing. Also most of those people who protest such things, and back them with commandments, probably don't even understand the faith, they just like being angry.

Paul · Jan 25, 2004, 10:42 pm

There are many individuals, organizations and religious institutions in the world that are interested in promoting peaceful homes, communities, countries, and world. But there is NO unified definition in the world on how people must live to achive this PEACE. Can christians bring about a peaceful world? Or any other religion? CHRISTIANITY!? Christianity has so much conflict and division, and it's history was an abomination, to bloody and wicked to mention. What about now?! Today, can the human society at large count on christians to bring about a peaceful world, or even a 'peaceful country'? The Testimony of JESUS has basicaly been ignored for nearly 2000 years by those that have called themselves christians. Ask yourself WHY? Is it possible that most of the christian in the world have been, and are decieved in whorshiping a false Jesus, a false Christ, an imposter, who is the Beast, or the Devil, etc.?

Paul · Jan 26, 2004, 10:53 pm

U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair--are both deeply religious men

"Religion is the most dangerous energy source known to humankind. The moment a person (or government or religion or organization) is convinced that God is either ordering or sanctioning a cause or project, anything goes. The history, worldwide, of religion-fueled hate, killing, and oppression is staggering." —Eugene Peterson (from the introduction to the book of Amos in the Bible paraphrase The Message)

castille · Jan 27, 2004, 09:51 am

"I hate fucking religion. Worship my cult. I promise you the Mothership takes you to Heaven where you will have sex with lots of hot chicks"
-Some crazy old man

Don't you think religion-bashing has gone far enough? I've known Catholics who are good men, more than I know bad Catholics.

Those who criticise religion are just as bad as the door-knocking religous salespeople.

orgaelin · Jan 30, 2004, 05:40 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
"I hate fucking religion.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Then stop fucking it!

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Those who criticise religion are just as bad as the door-knocking religous salespeople.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Oh no they're not!

The difference is that religious salespeople try to convince you that *you* are wrong and *they* are right... we just want to show that *they* are wrong! We're not selling anything, we're just reviewing the dodgy product *they* are trying to sell.

Of course, the majority of Catholics are lovely people. It is not the people, it is the church, and especially its history for which the world is still owed an apology. The pope should do as Jesus says, and give up all the wealth of the church to the hungry people of the world, instead of sitting and dying on his golden throne, pretending to be the incarnation of God on earth.

But of course, the Pope doesn't actually do anything any more. His 'team' manage everything, and if he dared try to do as the big J might have, he'd be mysteriously poisoned.

I have a book which goes through the Catholic popes one by one, listing all of their barbaric and evil crimes. Truly there has never been such an evil succession of men. They make Saddam look like a fairy!!

orgaelin · Jan 30, 2004, 05:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paul,)
U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair--are both deeply religious men<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Of course. Hence the corruption!

Christianity rules the world just as it always has done, except that now it pretends it does not.

Why are they both (bush 'n' blair) fighting the Islamics? Because they oppose their views on God. It is a religious war, and everything else is just an excuse.

FC Mellon · Jan 30, 2004, 08:32 am

What one takes into themselves will eventually be what comes out of themselves...whether it is: hate...love...understanding...deceit...forgivness...etc...etc..or even something which produces 'a gassing of their gastronomical gateways'
There appears to be 'some of everything' or 'nothing' which has been consumed by all/many. It is understandable what one sees coming out of another to be something 'not' of their liking...and depending on what else has been consumed by this object of concern..and the mix which happens inside of them can determine if the 'excretions of their ways' are of a 'foul nature' or not...but then I don't know if what anyone/everyone has consumed won't always 'stink to some'...especially if/when the 'orifice of escape' is one not of their liking. This reminds me of the old saying when one burps: "excuse me ladies and gentlemen from 'the bottom' of my heart...but if it would of come from the other end...it would have been a 'fart'. So I guess 'what one witnesses' may also be determined by where one places themselve when one is the recipient of another's releases. Be careful where you place yourself when you engage with another...it might determine the extent of your concerns...especially if one decides to hang around to receive more. So whether one perceives religion as a food for the soul/body for themselves or others....don't be surprised if you feel uncomfortable when you find your self trapped in the 'congregations of your concerns'...especially if 'The Diet' is not 'The One' of your liking. Remember...religions are like buffets...there are many different ones to choose from..and many different menus one can select from...and if one gorges themselves to the point of feeling uncomfortable...there is no one to blame 'butt' yourself. Of course one could 'live only on bread and water'...but then one might not feel satisfied if/when they are 'longing for that 'Big Banana' which they feel may satsfy the 'sweet tooth of their seductions'..and they know others are gorging themselves with 'SUCH' and many of them appear to be satisfied. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it...but if you have and you find yourself 'tossing up' what you 'put down'...then I can understand why you may not ever want to partake in this 'particular palace of plates which others have found to satisfy their palates'.
SO...if one is seeking the 'Pearly Gates of the Golden Arches' for their satisfaction...then....Big Mac anyone?? 8?)
p.s. ....make mine 'HOT'...so I can have a 'HELL' of a good time while I am enjoying 'it'. }?}
..I will deal with the 'afterlife' later...be it one of a 'Charmin' nature or not.

orgaelin · Jan 30, 2004, 11:42 am

Um... Mr Mellon?

In English, what the fuck was all that post going on about?!?! Ya lost me from the start!

eburchelli · Jan 30, 2004, 08:03 pm

Why does it matter to anyone but those who believe there is a hell? Those priests, etc. believe in it, but they won't have to go to hell, if they repent before they die, because this is how they believe.
At least in the Catholic religion, one can be a great sinner, a murderer, and still keep out of hell by confession and repentance. Suicides on the other hand, can expect to go to hell, unless someone pays to get them out.

That last sentence was added by the way, to show everyone how ridiculous it is to believe in hell.

FC Mellon · Jan 31, 2004, 10:41 am

Orgaelin....if you don't 'get it'...how do you expect me to......'get it';?)
..btw...FC is fine...Mr. makes me feel kinda old. Remember....I am still young enough 'not to get it'...and old enough to 'never get it'...especially if I am perceived as: 'Mister'..whether it is 'Completely'...or just 'Mister' 'in between' my old and my new days/ways in life.8?)
p.s. ....'get it'??
}?}

Anarchist Patriot · Feb 6, 2004, 07:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tobiasthecommie,)
Well, shouldn't they, consider the second commandment:
'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

So wouldn't any illustration of god, satan, jesus(god), angels, heaven, and maybe even profets(who now is in the heaven above) satisfy that commandment, and send you to hell?
Im just wondering about the merits of Christianity. If you take gay relationships protesters say its a against the bible. And abortion protesters say we can't kill, because of the sixth commandment 'You shall not murder.'

So who decides what commandments to follow. If we have to follow the sixth and not murder, then why shouldn't we follow the second and not make anything with likeness to heaven or hell. And would a 10 year old girl who draw an angel in art class go to hell.

Considering the weight many religius fanatics put in, atlest the sixth, commandment, how can a religion exist where all the priests and most of the members have broken one of the most sacred rules(the second).

SincerlY
A Bastard Commie<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
This was the reason that the Catholics split from the Orthodox Church. The Greeks opposed statues though paintings and mosaics were permitted.

chicagoastronomer · Feb 13, 2004, 04:46 am

All religious leaders in their little clown outfits are screwed up anyway, not even including the Little Boy crimes. Following man-made dogma and ceremony. It is a retarted way of thinking.

Such a waste of resources...tsk tsk.

PeterAngelo · Feb 18, 2004, 03:53 pm

Priests, politicians, super-rich barbarians live in heaven - NOW - because they are smart enough to know in their heart of hearts that there is no afterlife.

Heaven is here on Earth - so is hell - they are often next door to each other - separated by money and power.

"The calling" that used to make catholic mothers so happy was the "calling" their homopedophile sons answered when they joined that rancid banking institution.

No intelligent (top 2%) person thinks an old, bearded white-man is waiting on Elvis's throne to tell us we were bad. Screw him and the cloud he rode in on. Heaven is here in my condo with no mortgage and enough cash to have sex with young bodies - anytime I want to.

Hell is living under a bridge, drunk, alone, mad, and spit on by christians who consider life "sacred."

Give me a break - and a BJ.

Nov 27, 2003, 05:49 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
tobiasthecommie Sedimentary Rock Posts: 16	Well, shouldn't they, consider the second commandment: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' So wouldn't any illustration of god, satan, jesus(god), angels, heaven, and maybe even profets(who now is in the heaven above) satisfy that commandment, and send you to hell? Im just wondering about the merits of Christianity. If you take gay relationships protesters say its a against the bible. And abortion protesters say we can't kill, because of the sixth commandment 'You shall not murder.' So who decides what commandments to follow. If we have to follow the sixth and not murder, then why shouldn't we follow the second and not make anything with likeness to heaven or hell. And would a 10 year old girl who draw an angel in art class go to hell. Considering the weight many religius fanatics put in, atlest the sixth, commandment, how can a religion exist where all the priests and most of the members have broken one of the most sacred rules(the second). SincerlY A Bastard Commie Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin This message brought to you by PPN, the ProPaganda Network.

Nov 27, 2003, 10:19 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	why would a communist care about the imagined afterlife of opium addicted religious types? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 27, 2003, 10:31 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
tobiasthecommie Sedimentary Rock Posts: 16	because i want to prove the religion is nothing but opium :D Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin This message brought to you by PPN, the ProPaganda Network.

Nov 27, 2003, 11:47 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Many communists do not reject a spiritual life, just simply organised religion, as it part of relgions that have kept them in slavery. BTW, from the title it looks like your knocking catholics rather than christians. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Nov 27, 2003, 12:14 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tobiasthecommie Sedimentary Rock Posts: 16	im not that into religion, im currently reading the bible, but in denmark there really is only one christian cult. not sure if its catholic, protestant or something else. I dont know the difference between the too. But ok, ill refrase. Isn't any representative of the church, who preach in a house of god, going to hell. I think it will be rather impossible to find any house of god without illustrations of jesus or angels in some form or another. Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. -- Josef Stalin This message brought to you by PPN, the ProPaganda Network.

Nov 28, 2003, 01:02 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	look in a temple or a mosque "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Nov 30, 2003, 12:37 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
cheesemage Molten Ash Posts: 57	Er well, again this seems to be a Catholic thing. Also most of those people who protest such things, and back them with commandments, probably don't even understand the faith, they just like being angry.

Jan 25, 2004, 10:42 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	There are many individuals, organizations and religious institutions in the world that are interested in promoting peaceful homes, communities, countries, and world. But there is NO unified definition in the world on how people must live to achive this PEACE. Can christians bring about a peaceful world? Or any other religion? CHRISTIANITY!? Christianity has so much conflict and division, and it's history was an abomination, to bloody and wicked to mention. What about now?! Today, can the human society at large count on christians to bring about a peaceful world, or even a 'peaceful country'? The Testimony of JESUS has basicaly been ignored for nearly 2000 years by those that have called themselves christians. Ask yourself WHY? Is it possible that most of the christian in the world have been, and are decieved in whorshiping a false Jesus, a false Christ, an imposter, who is the Beast, or the Devil, etc.?

Jan 26, 2004, 10:53 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Paul Bacon Sizzle Posts: 287	U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair--are both deeply religious men "Religion is the most dangerous energy source known to humankind. The moment a person (or government or religion or organization) is convinced that God is either ordering or sanctioning a cause or project, anything goes. The history, worldwide, of religion-fueled hate, killing, and oppression is staggering." —Eugene Peterson (from the introduction to the book of Amos in the Bible paraphrase The Message)

Jan 27, 2004, 09:51 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	"I hate fucking religion. Worship my cult. I promise you the Mothership takes you to Heaven where you will have sex with lots of hot chicks" -Some crazy old man Don't you think religion-bashing has gone far enough? I've known Catholics who are good men, more than I know bad Catholics. Those who criticise religion are just as bad as the door-knocking religous salespeople. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 30, 2004, 05:40 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 704	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) "I hate fucking religion.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Then stop fucking it! </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Those who criticise religion are just as bad as the door-knocking religous salespeople.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Oh no they're not! The difference is that religious salespeople try to convince you that you are wrong and they are right... we just want to show that they are wrong! We're not selling anything, we're just reviewing the dodgy product they are trying to sell. Of course, the majority of Catholics are lovely people. It is not the people, it is the church, and especially its history for which the world is still owed an apology. The pope should do as Jesus says, and give up all the wealth of the church to the hungry people of the world, instead of sitting and dying on his golden throne, pretending to be the incarnation of God on earth. But of course, the Pope doesn't actually do anything any more. His 'team' manage everything, and if he dared try to do as the big J might have, he'd be mysteriously poisoned. I have a book which goes through the Catholic popes one by one, listing all of their barbaric and evil crimes. Truly there has never been such an evil succession of men. They make Saddam look like a fairy!! "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Jan 30, 2004, 05:44 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 704	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paul,) U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair--are both deeply religious men<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Of course. Hence the corruption! Christianity rules the world just as it always has done, except that now it pretends it does not. Why are they both (bush 'n' blair) fighting the Islamics? Because they oppose their views on God. It is a religious war, and everything else is just an excuse. "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Jan 30, 2004, 08:32 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
FC Mellon Molten Ash Location: So Cal Posts: 51	What one takes into themselves will eventually be what comes out of themselves...whether it is: hate...love...understanding...deceit...forgivness...etc...etc..or even something which produces 'a gassing of their gastronomical gateways' There appears to be 'some of everything' or 'nothing' which has been consumed by all/many. It is understandable what one sees coming out of another to be something 'not' of their liking...and depending on what else has been consumed by this object of concern..and the mix which happens inside of them can determine if the 'excretions of their ways' are of a 'foul nature' or not...but then I don't know if what anyone/everyone has consumed won't always 'stink to some'...especially if/when the 'orifice of escape' is one not of their liking. This reminds me of the old saying when one burps: "excuse me ladies and gentlemen from 'the bottom' of my heart...but if it would of come from the other end...it would have been a 'fart'. So I guess 'what one witnesses' may also be determined by where one places themselve when one is the recipient of another's releases. Be careful where you place yourself when you engage with another...it might determine the extent of your concerns...especially if one decides to hang around to receive more. So whether one perceives religion as a food for the soul/body for themselves or others....don't be surprised if you feel uncomfortable when you find your self trapped in the 'congregations of your concerns'...especially if 'The Diet' is not 'The One' of your liking. Remember...religions are like buffets...there are many different ones to choose from..and many different menus one can select from...and if one gorges themselves to the point of feeling uncomfortable...there is no one to blame 'butt' yourself. Of course one could 'live only on bread and water'...but then one might not feel satisfied if/when they are 'longing for that 'Big Banana' which they feel may satsfy the 'sweet tooth of their seductions'..and they know others are gorging themselves with 'SUCH' and many of them appear to be satisfied. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it...but if you have and you find yourself 'tossing up' what you 'put down'...then I can understand why you may not ever want to partake in this 'particular palace of plates which others have found to satisfy their palates'. SO...if one is seeking the 'Pearly Gates of the Golden Arches' for their satisfaction...then....Big Mac anyone?? 8?) p.s. ....make mine 'HOT'...so I can have a 'HELL' of a good time while I am enjoying 'it'. }?} ..I will deal with the 'afterlife' later...be it one of a 'Charmin' nature or not.

Jan 30, 2004, 11:42 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
orgaelin Igneous Magma Location: Midlands UK Posts: 704	Um... Mr Mellon? In English, what the fuck was all that post going on about?!?! Ya lost me from the start! "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Jan 30, 2004, 08:03 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	Why does it matter to anyone but those who believe there is a hell? Those priests, etc. believe in it, but they won't have to go to hell, if they repent before they die, because this is how they believe. At least in the Catholic religion, one can be a great sinner, a murderer, and still keep out of hell by confession and repentance. Suicides on the other hand, can expect to go to hell, unless someone pays to get them out. That last sentence was added by the way, to show everyone how ridiculous it is to believe in hell.

Jan 31, 2004, 10:41 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
FC Mellon Molten Ash Location: So Cal Posts: 51	Orgaelin....if you don't 'get it'...how do you expect me to......'get it';?) ..btw...FC is fine...Mr. makes me feel kinda old. Remember....I am still young enough 'not to get it'...and old enough to 'never get it'...especially if I am perceived as: 'Mister'..whether it is 'Completely'...or just 'Mister' 'in between' my old and my new days/ways in life.8?) p.s. ....'get it'?? }?}

Feb 6, 2004, 07:44 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tobiasthecommie,) Well, shouldn't they, consider the second commandment: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.' So wouldn't any illustration of god, satan, jesus(god), angels, heaven, and maybe even profets(who now is in the heaven above) satisfy that commandment, and send you to hell? Im just wondering about the merits of Christianity. If you take gay relationships protesters say its a against the bible. And abortion protesters say we can't kill, because of the sixth commandment 'You shall not murder.' So who decides what commandments to follow. If we have to follow the sixth and not murder, then why shouldn't we follow the second and not make anything with likeness to heaven or hell. And would a 10 year old girl who draw an angel in art class go to hell. Considering the weight many religius fanatics put in, atlest the sixth, commandment, how can a religion exist where all the priests and most of the members have broken one of the most sacred rules(the second). SincerlY A Bastard Commie<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> This was the reason that the Catholics split from the Orthodox Church. The Greeks opposed statues though paintings and mosaics were permitted.

Feb 13, 2004, 04:46 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
chicagoastronomer Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	All religious leaders in their little clown outfits are screwed up anyway, not even including the Little Boy crimes. Following man-made dogma and ceremony. It is a retarted way of thinking. Such a waste of resources...tsk tsk. <span style='color:blue'>"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"...</span> Oscar Wilde 1854-1900

Feb 18, 2004, 03:53 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Priests, politicians, super-rich barbarians live in heaven - NOW - because they are smart enough to know in their heart of hearts that there is no afterlife. Heaven is here on Earth - so is hell - they are often next door to each other - separated by money and power. "The calling" that used to make catholic mothers so happy was the "calling" their homopedophile sons answered when they joined that rancid banking institution. No intelligent (top 2%) person thinks an old, bearded white-man is waiting on Elvis's throne to tell us we were bad. Screw him and the cloud he rode in on. Heaven is here in my condo with no mortgage and enough cash to have sex with young bodies - anytime I want to. Hell is living under a bridge, drunk, alone, mad, and spit on by christians who consider life "sacred." Give me a break - and a BJ.