Witnesses of Christ?

[Technosoul]

I guess there would be nothing wrong with informing people to have faith, as long as you do not direct them to have faith in only one certain image or concept. But just teach faith as a method for self confidence and sureness of one's convictions.

But what I find of greatest fault is the make a post with the heading "witness for Christ" and then turn around to make it a witness of Joesph Smith or someone else in your church.

And the thing about the Native Americans being a lost Jewish tribe that "went astray" as a lost tribe, but that non-respectful opinion about Native Americans was one reason we ended up having the so-called American-Indian war. History teaches us that the the ;Mornons had a whole indian village killed off because they had found a crippled cow that belonged to the Mormons and they ate it for supper. Then the indians counter-attacked farm houses and wagon trains. (that took place near the end of the Civil War). Later the U.S. military got involved and the rest you know (more or less -depending on what history book you got faith in).

Technosoul.



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[Technosoul]

I guess there would be nothing wrong with informing people to have faith, as long as you do not direct them to have faith in only one certain image or concept. But just teach faith as a method for self confidence and sureness of one's convictions.

But what I find of greatest fault is the make a post with the heading "witness for Christ" and then turn around to make it a witness of Joesph Smith or someone else in your church.

And the thing about the Native Americans being a lost Jewish tribe that "went astray" as a lost tribe, but that non-respectful opinion about Native Americans was one reason we ended up having the so-called American-Indian war. History teaches us that the the ;Mornons had a whole indian village killed off because they had found a crippled cow that belonged to the Mormons and they ate it for supper. Then the indians counter-attacked farm houses and wagon trains. (that took place near the end of the Civil War). Later the U.S. military got involved and the rest you know (more or less -depending on what history book you got faith in).

Technosoul.



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[Starboy]

Originally posted by Technosoul, I guess there would be nothing wrong with informing people to have faith, as long as you do not direct them to have faith in only one certain image or concept. But just teach faith as a method for self confidence and sureness of one's convictions.

That is a good point Technosoul, however I am not aware of any church or religion with the openness to explore all expressions of faith. I suspect that if one did embark on such a quest you would end up an atheist.

Starboy

[Technosoul]

There are a couple of religious organizations that are open to comparing all religions as being "one and the same" thing, but they mostly favor those founded in India.

The Buddha philosophy is to be open to all religions, in fact they often use the Bible when speaking to Westerners, and end up teaching the same things their own religion advocates.

The Hindu, the Buddest, and even the Native Ameircan religions do not teach that have all the "good news" and do not object to their members employing the wisdom found in some other religion. As Swiftdeer said about the Christian teachings, "take what is good and add it to your own, and what is not good leave with them".

So that is one recomendation, what parts sound like wisdom and are useful, hang onto that part, and the parts that are objectionable, just leave them like you found them. The problem comes in when we think we must believe it all or nothing at all. Everywhere all religions are made up of people just like us, and sometimes they come up with an idea or a "saying" that is helpful and realistic, and sometimes the ideas are goofy. So you got to sort the mail, pick and select, or just don't read anything and think totally for your self. Odd as that might be you would come up with some of the same ideas they had in their books also.

They keep trying to drive me sane, but while I sort the mail I just hum a little tune "I'm my own grandpa" and then I thumb my nose that the religion of "time". Worship not ye the time clock.

That is my religion. Time is abundant for all things if you do not believe you are running out of time. I am the only member of my religion and no one attends my "time anonymous support group" so I have to stay up by my own boot straps. Yep, have faith in timelessness and be blessed with the virtures of patience, and all things will come aorund in due season.

Be sure to hurry down to the book store and get my latest book about patience and timelessness, but it is a limited edition and the last copies are selling out fast.

This is fun.

Technosoul.

[LDS]

The mind of God is unfathomable to the human consciousness.

Why? Why he must he be a unknowable unfathomable god? Why worship an unknowable unfathomable god?
Im not saying I know every thought, every reason, every intricacy.

I'm still waiting on the Mormons to tell us Indians when it'll be ok to use Yiddish again...lol

http://scriptures.lds.org/bm/contents Here is the book. Please read it. Read it prayerfully, honestly seeking the truth, and without preconceptions (they are an enemy of truth)

I find of greatest fault is the make a post with the heading "witness for Christ" and then turn around to make it a witness of Joesph Smith

Joseph Smith did witness for Christ pretty well his entire life. That is the main subject of the book. The coming of the messiah and the arrival of the messiah. It is a witness of Christ.

The Hindu, the Buddest, and even the Native Ameircan religions do not teach that have all the "good news" and do not object to their members employing the wisdom found in some other religion. As Swiftdeer said about the Christian teachings, "take what is good and add it to your own, and what is not good leave with them".

"...If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things." 13th A of F.

LDS...I'm sorry son..but there isn't a tribe on the North American continent that swallows the Mormon line that they are descended from a Jewish tribe....

[LDS]

LDS...I'm sorry son..but there isn't a tribe on the North American continent that swallows the Mormon line that they are descended from a Jewish tribe....

Many do. Especially down in South America.

[Starboy]

LDS, if native americans were Jews wouldn't there be genetic evidence to back that up? Do you have any?

Starboy

Originally posted by LDS, Many do. Especially down in South America.

Name a tribe?...Certainly none of the East Coast tribes believe it, and your own book clearly indicates the tribe of wayward Jews came to North America....not South America.

[Starboy]

ACause, it is not unheard of for groups of people to make unexpected claims to be one of the lost tribes.

Where are the ten lost tribes? - Nova

Starboy

[LDS]

Certainly none of the East Coast tribes believe it

On the very first mission by Oliver Cowdery, there were 3 who believed it: Catteraugus, Wyandots, and Delawares.

the tribe of wayward Jews came to North America....not South America.

Many of the events in the Book of Mormon occur in South America.

[Technosoul]

Following is a webpage link that covers many of the most acceptable Native American stories (collected in the early 1900s) - concerning how earth was "created" and about where the tribes came from.

http://www.crystalinks.com/hopicreation.html

In the first part we can look over how simular the stories of Sumer are and those of the Native American. The kingdom of Sumer had different cities and one was called Ur which is the place where the tribe of Abraham came form before reaching the middle east.

The other stories suggest that the tribes came from the sky (another planet - which is simular to the Sumer stories) and/or from another world within the center of the "hollow" earth. The entrance and exit from the world under the surface of the ground were located at the North and South poles, still sealed by ice and snow until the next global warming unseals the gaint caves.

Technosoul.

With all due respect gentlemen....there is no genetic link to semitic peoples number 1....number two..the Cherokee story of creation deals with a giant turtle...the Hopi have another story entirely...as for the Catteraugus, Wyandots, and Delawares. I'll have to peruse some ref materials..but somehow I just can see them keeping kosher...

And if there was a lost tribe...to which one is the correct one? By the time of the first Euro invaders, the Spanish, or even if you count Newfoundland's Viking explorers there were over 500 separate tribes....the idea just doesn't wash.

[Technosoul]

I agree with you on that.

I liked the turtle story, they said the earth is like a giant turtle and when it wakes up that causes all the earthquakes.

Well, I think Mother Nature is waking up and she don't like what is happening, there could be a whole lotta shaken goin' on.

The link provided below contain the Turtle story.
Along with other interesting reading.

http://www.crystalinks.com/namcreationwomen.html

and more Turtle links

http://www.powersource.com/gallery/objects...ts/dturtle.html

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~oban/bigturtl.htm

And with music - http://www.crystalinks.com/nativeamcreation2.html

http://www.endicott-studio.com/rdrm/forturtl.html

However, for Starboy here is the Science that supports the truth of the Tutle story.

http://www.foxtalesint.com/article3.htm

The above page come to focus on the fact that the crust of the earth is founded on plates that move slow like a turtle.

Gee, the Native Ameican religions are so much more interesting then these other ones people are always talking about.

Technosoul.

[Starboy]

Soul, it is not about looking and finding evidence that supports the turtle story, it is about looking at all the evidence and explanations and then honestly trying to determine which explanation does the best job of explaining all the evidence. Creating explanations by ignoring evidence that does not jibe is not science. It is the most common form of quackery. It is the essence of magical thinking. You appear to do a great deal of magical thinking. Technos do not do that, but soul people do it constantly. Methinks thou art a soul person and not a techno at all.

Starboy

[Technosoul]

My nickname Technosoul is a combination of both.

Religion and science should be compatable.

In a double blind test if people who use the suger pills feel better or believe they are getting worse, then that test should prove that quackery works form the perspective of science.

Needless to say that our modern explainations for the earth are better then those they had back in the 1800s (perhaps handed down form generations). We can use modern data to explain the meaning of the "myth" story. Back then they did not have our modern data and so had to explain things in a different way that people back then could comprehend.

I posted the Turtle information because ACause wanted to research that story, so I made it easy for him.

Many of the older myths resulted because of observations made about nature, modern science theory also depends on that same methodology. We have improved upon the art of theory and myth making with our better knowledge, but it is just the evolution of ideas that lead to the new formats for concept construction.

The Big Bang theory is in reality a modern myth created by a shaman like activity.

Here are some posts (and I hope you really read them instead of jumping to your opinion without the data).

http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt...istorymyth.html

Here is another with notations from Joesph Campbell.

http://www.kenaz.com/notes/shaman.htm

http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~dow/cours...33/stouch7.html

http://staff.gc.maricopa.edu/~dturkon/L&M-...nit1-Review.htm

On the next weblink they talk about some interesting ideas - somewhat unrelated but concerning mythology and religion.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/997.../01anshen1.html

Well, enough for now.... check it out - in your own words, be as totally informed as possible befor claiming an opinion as the "only right one".

Technosoul

[Starboy]

Originally posted by Technosoul, My nickname Technosoul is a combination of both. Religion and science should be compatable.

And why should that be? Because [Techno]soul says so? The history of science and religion doesn't suggest that at all.

In a double blind test if people who use the suger pills feel better or believe they are getting worse, then that test should prove that quackery works form the perspective of science.

This speaks volumes about what you think. Until you can comprehend what you imply in this last sentence I will not think that you understand the tradition of science one bit.

Needless to say that our modern explainations for the earth are better then those they had back in the 1800s (perhaps handed down form generations). We can use modern data to explain the meaning of the "myth" story. Back then they did not have our modern data and so had to explain things in a different way that people back then could comprehend.

Again, you do not comprehend science. The people of antiquity had the exact same universe available to them that we have today. The difference was the tradition use to explain it. Until you understand what the tradition of science is all about and study its history and methods I think you should not say anything about it. It is a very new development in the history of mankind and if you have only been paying attention to ancient ideas it would not surprise me one bit that you are completely ignorant about it.

I posted the Turtle information because ACause wanted to research that story, so I made it easy for him. Many of the older myths resulted because of observations made about nature, modern science theory also depends on that same methodology. We have improved upon the art of theory and myth making with our better knowledge, but it is just the evolution of ideas that lead to the new formats for concept construction.

This tells it all. Get a clue soul or just accept that science is beyond you.

The Big Bang theory is in reality a modern myth created by a shaman like activity.

More of the same. Did you ever wonder how over time there are fewer scientific explanations for a given natural phenomenon not more explainations? This is the opposite of supernatural religion. There are over 10,000 variations on the Christian view of the universe alone. Wouldn't a rational person look at this and think that science and religion are not at all the same?

Here are some posts (and I hope you really read them instead of jumping to your opinion without the data). http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/amethystbt...istorymyth.html Here is another with notations from Joesph Campbell. http://www.kenaz.com/notes/shaman.htm http://personalwebs.oakland.edu/~dow/cours...33/stouch7.html http://staff.gc.maricopa.edu/~dturkon/L&M-...nit1-Review.htm On the next weblink they talk about some interesting ideas - somewhat unrelated but concerning mythology and religion. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/997.../01anshen1.html Well, enough for now.... check it out - in your own words, be as totally informed as possible befor claiming an opinion as the "only right one". Technosoul

Campbell understood that mythology served many more roles in society than explaining existence. From his point of view that was the least important role of myth. But even so I am not sure that Campbell got science either. Also you do not comprehend that over Campbell's life he changed his mind about the role of myth. His last book did not say the same things as his first. Just the same you are clueless about this as well. There are radically new ideas about who we are. They open up entirely new vistas of possibility but until you learn the traditions of science they will remain beyond you. Science is not mythology. It doesn't exist to tell us stories we like to hear.

Starboy

[Technosoul]

But I was not posting messages about me.

You have made a long list of your opinions about me, as if I should try to defend who I am, what I have read in the past, and you cannot know my mind because, it is beyond you.

And yet, you avoid looking at the topic I posted, review it, or comment on what is in the those presentations. Nor state why you think it is in error ( as if you could, but you cannot because their science is over your head?).

You are still back doing high school science and hot hep to what is happening out on the cutting edges of that exploration.

Tell then why the Big Bang is not a myth.

So what if the soul is expanding like the universe, and not like science that seems to shrink like a dieing leaf on a tree.

What good is it for the two of us to sit here for days and tell each other how dumb the other is and how the other needs more information. Such has no value for anyone.

I have no purpose just to prove that I can get YOUR approval for my ideas, I have no reason to want to live up to the expectations you demand. Who are you? That I should be so concerned?

When I am not joking around, I speak truth. How others wish to interpret that is not my busness, it is not about "me".

So I suggest you talk about the topic presented, not about me.

Technosoul.

[LDS]

Acause, Read the book, perhaps it contains the answers you seek.

[Starboy]

Originally posted by LDS, Acause, Read the book, perhaps it contains the answers you seek.

Read some science books and get some better answers.

Starboy