Why is god so egoistic?

[LogicaLunatic]

Originally posted by katar, http://www.snapshotsofgod.com/ is a terrific website by a former atheist. I am always amused when internet posters think they have solved the eternal metaphysical questions of the universe. One should not be so dismissive of Christianity, whether it is truth or not. We should all be humble in our ignorance.

Humble in our ignorance, huh? I contend that it is the Christians who claim to "know" the answers. I only have thoughts as to what the answers aren't, based upon observation :)

As for that website, I agree. It is terrific. That only applies to how well it was made though. Some people can do wonders with Microsoft Frontpage. Regarding the content, it's nothing I haven't heard before.

LL

[LDS]

Seems a more productive method is to explore each other's "logic" and "reasoning"

You pointed out with sarcasm the prisoners in Iraq must be saints, I don't know about that. I do know Joseph Smith was a saint, a prophet of god. Yet god allowed him to be thrown in prison for crimes he didnt commit. Some of the greatest doctrine was revealed in that pit, Good can and does come from adversity.

[Ken Carman]

Originally posted by LDS,    You pointed out with sarcasm the prisoners in Iraq must be saints, I don't know about that. I do know Joseph Smith was a saint, a prophet of god. Yet god allowed him to be thrown in prison for crimes he didnt commit. Some of the greatest doctrine was revealed in that pit, Good can and does come from adversity.

Sarcasm? Actually I thought I was pointing out a hole in the logic being presented to me. Honestly, Lone Liberal and I have had this discussion a few times... why is it that we think we can infer from a few words typed into a site what the other's motives or tone might be? I suppose I do it far too often myself... Good can and does come from adversity, but that does not make all adversity good, healing or helpful. For instance, getting rid of Saddam created a lot of adversity, it was even a good and noble goal, but whether the way we did it and what we are doing now to soothe the situation will create a greater good or generate/attract a greater evil(s)... that remains to be seen.

That is what you believe. It is not what I believe. I do believe Joseph Smith was probably tossed in prison, as have many innocent men and women. A saint? A prophet of god? The greatest doctrine? These are the kind of beliefs that require fatith, and I respect yours. It is not mine. When it comes to theology some think those who don't believe as they do, they are automatically insulting you because they don't agree. However, again, I disagree. (I am not trying to say that is what YOU believe in these matters.) I respect our differences; indeed I think they are the greatest gift the Creator has ever given us. They might even be the salvation, rather than the destruction, of humankind. It is not the disagreement that's the problem, it's how we react to those who disagree.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by castille, Why does the Christian god have an ego the size of a Christian priest's sex crimes record? He demands to be worshipped, threatens to execute anyone who refuses ("Hell" after all is his threat). Yet he (or she, or it) created men in the first place. So if this god created all humans....doesn't that mean he/she/it would know not all humans are going to worship him/her/it? Why he is complaining about a lack of worshippers, when he knew this would happen in the first place?

#1
How do you know, that God has an ego ?
#2
How do you know, what God demands ?
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How do you know, that God has created Homo Sappiens ?
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How do you know, that God is complaining on anything ?

Generally, your statements are based on your own assumptions.

[LDS]

It is not the disagreement that's the problem, it's how we react to those who disagree.

I agree with you, my posts may not always relfect this, more often than not I get ahead of myself in trying to show you guys what I believe. Its just that if you guys could know the joy, the peace it brings. I suppose I should slow down anywho.

[jkephart]

Here are some things that have never made sense to me:
-God is a perfect, all-knowing being who created imperfect beings to be his friends. This seems to me like a human loving his computer unconditionally.
-Humans have been granted free will from God, but goodness derives not from thinking for ourselves but from obeying God's will even though we may not understand it (After all, sin=going against god's will.)
-how God, an omniscient, immortal, immutable being can change his mind between the old and new testaments (e.g., dietary laws, an eye for an eye)
-why the purpose of this existence is solely to get to another, perfect one. Then once in heaven, we live an eternity with no struggles to overcome, no problems to solve...what's the point of a perfect existence?
Also, I spent the first 15 years of my life going to church, being told to believe, etc. While i tried, it never made me happy and I just felt like I was being told to be completely dependent on a book that was true, well, just because it was absolutely true.

[LogicaLunatic]

I hear ya, jkephart.

Welcome to Volconvo!

LL

[Pooeypants]

No one has yet to answer Castille's question of Why their God needs worshipping? There's a load of tosh about atheism early on but nothing too relevant.

[LogicaLunatic]

Pooey,

Yeah I guess I never answered the question. I argued that, if he does exist, he doesn't deserve our worship. That exchange is pointless unless somebody can come up with some insight to explain why god would need (want, desire) to be worshipped in the first place. Thanks for tossing the train back on the tracks.

LL

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Pooeypants, No one has yet to answer Castille's question of Why their God needs worshipping? There's a load of tosh about atheism early on but nothing too relevant.

I am awaiting for castille's answers, first.
What is to be answered, then ? since castille has not post any reply, yet ?

[Gorgo]

I'll tell you why gods need to be worshipped.

BECAUSE WE'RE SO LONELY!!! PLEASE HELP US BY BURNING OR KILLING SOMETHING!!!

[LogicaLunatic]

Originally posted by Rainbow,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rainbow,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Pooeypants, No one has yet to answer Castille's question of Why their God needs worshipping? There's a load of tosh about atheism early on but nothing too relevant.

I am awaiting for castille's answers, first.
What is to be answered, then ? since castille has not post any reply, yet ?[/b][/quote]

Castille posted the original question here. And yes he has posted replies in this thread. With a quick count I found 4. So where exactly is the question YOU posted to Castille that you're demanding an answer for?

LL

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by LogicaLunatic, Castille posted the original question here.  And yes he has posted replies in this thread.  With a quick count I found 4.  So where exactly is the question YOU posted to Castille that you're demanding an answer for? LL

I re-read this thread, again. I have not found any answer posted by castille which may refer to my questions.
My questions can be found within this thread, on page #3.

[Mia]

Originally posted by castille, Why does the Christian god have an ego the size of a Christian priest's sex crimes record? Because He's the only one who knows what's really going on and how things should happen! He demands to be worshipped, threatens to execute anyone who refuses ("Hell" after all is his threat). No he doesn't. He gave us free will to choose. There is no 'threat'. In life we choose and have consequences for bad choices, right? Same thing with our eternal life! Yet he (or she, or it) created men in the first place. So if this god created all humans....doesn't that mean he/she/it would know not all humans are going to worship him/her/it? Yes he did/does know and, those who choose not to believe serve his purposes as much as those of us who do. Why he is complaining about a lack of worshippers, when he knew this would happen in the first place?

When did you hear him complain about anything? Do you two talk?!?!?!?!

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Mia, When did you hear him complain about anything?  Do you two talk?!?!?!?!

That is one of my questions I addressed to castille and I would like to have an answer to it, as well.

[Mia]

God has no complaints. Whether we like it or not, we all do exactly what he intends us to, for good or for bad on a human level. All he ever feels, IMO, is sadness for those he cannot convince to walk with Him.

Although I will admit that part confuses me a little, and I'm not sure I believe in Hell.

It wouldn't be fair to purposefully have people serve His purposes in NOT believing and then punishing them for it.

Dante said Hell is other people. I agree 100%, and think it's possible that this earthly life is Hell and there is not an eternal one.

Anyone read 'Conversations with God'?

[LogicaLunatic]

Originally posted by Rainbow,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rainbow,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-LogicaLunatic, Castille posted the original question here.  And yes he has posted replies in this thread.  With a quick count I found 4.  So where exactly is the question YOU posted to Castille that you're demanding an answer for? LL

I re-read this thread, again. I have not found any answer posted by castille which may refer to my questions.
My questions can be found within this thread, on page #3.[/b][/quote]

Ahh, so you answer a set of questions with a set of questions of your own and then demand that YOUR questions be answered first.

I don't blame Castille. I'd ignore you too.

LL

[Mia]

Questioning statements that obviously don't have any basis in fact is the appropriate thing to do, and Rainbow cannot be expected to debate until Castille clarifies his position.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia, Questioning statements that obviously don't have any basis in fact is the appropriate thing to do, and Rainbow cannot be expected to debate until Castille clarifies his position.

It's a simple question, Why does your God needs worshipping? Though a better question is, how do we know?

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by LogicaLunatic, Ahh, so you answer a set of questions with a set of questions of your own and then demand that YOUR questions be answered first. I don't blame Castille. I'd ignore you too. LL

Nice. Enjoy your masturbation :-)))

castille based its statement on assumptions
That is the difference, and that is why I asked questions, because these assumptions are wrong. castille has NO argument to support its statements.
This is just a plain claptrap.