Register (it's free)
Volconvo Debate Forums
Advertise Here »
Browse ad-free by donating
The Debate Forums Blogs | Donate Register (it's free) Chatroom Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
  Volconvo / Debate Forums / Philosophy & Religion


This topic in Philosophy & Religion is about Atheists, if you decided to choose a religion, which one would it be?.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Feb 14, 2009, 01:10 pm   #1 (permalink)
barts
Bligh, the real hero
 
barts's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,732
Atheists, if you decided to choose a religion, which one would it be?

I began to wonder which religion I'd choose if I wasn't an atheist. I went shopping with the "given" that all the claims of all religions were true. I know that none of the believers of the religions agree with that premise, but there really is no other way for an atheist to proceed. Or is there some way to tell which religion is the true one?

At any rate, after much tire kicking I'm going with Christian Protestantism. The reason is that it's the best bang for the buck. As best as I can tell, as long as I accept Jesus Christ as my savior, I get all the benefits with no further costs. There's no necessity to be good. In fact, I can be a serial killer who eats babies and robs widows after raping them and still have eternal life and happiness if I accept Jesus. Too many of the other religions expect me to actually be a good person. I don't plan to be a bad person, but I'd rather not be obligated to be good.

So, if I convert, it's onto Christian Protestantism. Jesus is my personal savior. I get to go to heaven and not change anything about the way I live.

Any religion got a better deal for everlasting life and happiness?


Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd - Voltaire
barts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 02:56 pm   #2 (permalink)
SoylentGreen
Volcanic Erupter
 
SoylentGreen's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,234
I am quite partial to Bokononism.
Quote:
The foundation of Bokononism is that all religion, including Bokononism and all its texts, is formed entirely of lies; however, if you believe and adhere to these lies, you will live a happy life.
If i am going to be deluded then i might as well be happy and deluded.
SoylentGreen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 03:20 pm   #3 (permalink)
Gods_Mercenary
Altruism Assassin
 
Gods_Mercenary's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,977
Can I make my own one?


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
-Albert Einstein
Gods_Mercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 03:24 pm   #4 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Gods_Mercenary View Post
Can I make my own one?
Is there not enough of this craziness in the world without creating a whole bunch of new creeds?
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 03:26 pm   #5 (permalink)
Gods_Mercenary
Altruism Assassin
 
Gods_Mercenary's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,977
Uh, ... no?

In my experience religions don't add craziness, they channel it.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
-Albert Einstein
Gods_Mercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 03:32 pm   #6 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Gods_Mercenary View Post
Uh, ... no?

In my experience religions don't add craziness, they channel it.
Channelled craziness can be very dangerous. In fact, it's not a bad description of that scourge of civilisation, religious fundamentalism.
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:05 pm   #7 (permalink)
Cephus
Volcanic Erupter
 
Cephus's Avatar
 
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 2,732
None. So long as there is no objective evidence to support the factual existence of a god, I'm not going to believe in it, period. Therefore, I would not be part of any religion whatsoever, at least not any that believe in the supernatural without good evidence.

That's why I'm an atheist in the first place. I have intellectual integrity.


Jesus loves me? No thanks, I don't swing that way.

Blog Me! http://BitchSpot.JadeDragonOnline.com
Cephus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:13 pm   #8 (permalink)
minorwork
Destroyer of Worlds
 
minorwork's Avatar
 
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 2,027
Quote:
Quote by: barts View Post
Any religion got a better deal for everlasting life and happiness?
Its gotta get that death thing out of the way. Preferably, by offering instruction on how to get an experience of existence independent of the body. It has to rely on personal testing of this. It has to have as its holy text the observations that an individual makes for himself. There can be text but it would be clear that the contents can be derived from personal observation, experimentation and testing. The texts represents a generic map to the spiritual realm of soul that must be adapted to the individual. In other words not the standard position of churches that demand adaptation of the individual to it.

Oh yeah. The most important part. When the plate gets passed there will be money in it from the start. If you need money take it out. If you feel like giving, give. Or do nothing. Yep, that's from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land.

Except for that passing of the plate, I've found that Surat Shabd, Sant Mant, Yoga of the Sound Current types fit the description. These have been Westernized and operate in the States under various titles. Eckankar is my favorite. It meets my criteria. It let's you retain membership in the Catholic Church or other religious organizations.


If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.

When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
minorwork is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:20 pm   #9 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Cephus View Post
None. So long as there is no objective evidence to support the factual existence of a god, I'm not going to believe in it, period. Therefore, I would not be part of any religion whatsoever, at least not any that believe in the supernatural without good evidence.

That's why I'm an atheist in the first place. I have intellectual integrity.
I'm with you. I already abide by the fundamental moral precepts anyway. Just by virtue of being a normal human being. What possible use have I for all the superstitious trappings and ritual mumbo-jumbo?
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:25 pm   #10 (permalink)
Walrus
Hot Lava
 
Posts: 791
Paganism, there is a romance to it. I was drawn to it as a teenager but my rational side got the better of me.
Walrus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:27 pm   #11 (permalink)
Gods_Mercenary
Altruism Assassin
 
Gods_Mercenary's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,977
I'd want the movie type paganism, with sheep's blood and sexual ceremonies.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
-Albert Einstein
Gods_Mercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:33 pm   #12 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Gods_Mercenary View Post
I'd want the movie type paganism, with sheep's blood and sexual ceremonies.
If it's blood and sex you're after, wouldn't you do better with the Catholics?
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:37 pm   #13 (permalink)
Walrus
Hot Lava
 
Posts: 791
Quote:
Quote by: Gods_Mercenary View Post
I'd want the movie type paganism, with sheep's blood and sexual ceremonies.
I could do without the sheep's blood.
Walrus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:59 pm   #14 (permalink)
Compugasm
Son of X51
 
Compugasm's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego
Posts: 4,236
Send a message via ICQ to Compugasm Send a message via AIM to Compugasm Send a message via MSN to Compugasm Send a message via Yahoo to Compugasm
Quote:
Quote by: Gods_Mercenary View Post
I'd want the movie type paganism, with sheep's blood and sexual ceremonies.
Don't forget your goat leggings!
Compugasm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 04:59 pm   #15 (permalink)
Jack
Inquisitor
 
Jack's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 17,893
Blog Entries: 70
Send a message via ICQ to Jack
Two possibilities: I could go with my original plan in the 70s and become a Jesuit. As long as I'm surrounded by intellectuals and near-heretics I might not mind the religious silliness so much. Or I could embrace deism since it suggests that there was a god who got everything going then bailed.



The Forum Rules

Radical Atheist
Jeber's
If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 05:01 pm   #16 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Jack View Post
Or I could embrace deism since it suggests that there was a god who got everything going then bailed.
And when science finds the answer to the origins of life?
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 05:05 pm   #17 (permalink)
Jack
Inquisitor
 
Jack's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 17,893
Blog Entries: 70
Send a message via ICQ to Jack
A devotee could still argue for a deistic god. All it had to do was kickstart the process of the universe. Perhaps it has a short attention span, "OK, got the universe started and life should appear soon...oh look, shiny colors" then it wanders off, never to be heard from again.



The Forum Rules

Radical Atheist
Jeber's
If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 05:07 pm   #18 (permalink)
Electric Hermit
BANNED
 
Electric Hermit's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,498
Quote:
Quote by: Jack View Post
A devotee could still argue for a deistic god. All it had to do was kickstart the process of the universe. Perhaps it has a short attention span, "OK, got the universe started and life should appear soon...oh look, shiny colors" then it wanders off, never to be heard from again.
And this makes it worthy of worship?
Electric Hermit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 05:10 pm   #19 (permalink)
Gods_Mercenary
Altruism Assassin
 
Gods_Mercenary's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,977
Quote:
Quote by: Electric Hermit View Post
If it's blood and sex you're after, wouldn't you do better with the Catholics?
Nah, the good old days for that are over in the catholic church. Days were a cardinal got more action than Hugh Hefner and killed more people than Attila the Hun in a week than they did in their entire lives.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
-Albert Einstein
Gods_Mercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Feb 14, 2009, 05:12 pm   #20 (permalink)
Gods_Mercenary
Altruism Assassin
 
Gods_Mercenary's Avatar
 
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 5,977
Quote:
I could go with my original plan in the 70s and become a Jesuit
Teaching at a university and drinking doesn't sound too bad.


“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.”
-Albert Einstein
Gods_Mercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:27 pm.

Sponsors (become a sponsor)
Coach Purses, Conference Calling, Laser Hair Removal Offices, Beauty Supplies, Gambling Online, xango, Miele Vacuums, Plus Size Bras, liquid vitamins, weight loss, Smiley Central, Monetise your website, Vacuum-Direct.com, Hydroponics & Grow Lights, Offshore banking, beauty salons, Retail Electric Providers Cirro Energy, LasVegas Vacations, homes in hudson, Affordable Web Hosting, Security Audit, Guy Factor, Gun Forums
Credit Counseling - Credit Consolidation - Credit Card Consolidation - United Specialties
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.2 Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0

© 2003–12/21/2012 Jason Siegel

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10