The soul

[rez]

So it seems that many of the supernatural followers think human beings have souls.

I have a hard time understanding the soul because the information that I read does not indicate that at all.

Neurology is growing more and more and people and starting to wonder when exactly are we going to be able to transplant consciousness.

The debate of the soul will be put to an end when human beings are able to transplant an individuals brain to another body or even machine.

BBC News | HEALTH | Frankenstein fears after head transplant

Besides transplanting consciousness human beings are now able to see what animals are seeing.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | Looking through cats' eyes

And of course now we can see inside a human beings head.

Scientists extract images directly from brain ::: Pink Tentacle

Human beings are even able to have neurons grow on computer chips and teach the neurons to perform a certain task.

Pure Pedantry : Memory chips from Neuron Cultures

That is not all either.

What takes the cake is how scientists are creating bug robots that can self-program themselves which of course is a common idea in the scientific field.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Robots learn to move themselves


So, now since human beings are pretty much on the verge on creating consciousness I wonder what the soul thinkers actually think about this.

According to them that no matter what a human being will be different because they have souls. So exactly what will make us different then a robot that can learn just like us?

[Jinei]

So, now since human beings are pretty much on the verge on creating consciousness I wonder what the soul thinkers actually think about this.

According to them that no matter what a human being will be different because they have souls. So exactly what will make us different then a robot that can learn just like us?

If all the elements of a physical brain are emulated by artificial intelligence, I don't see that there would be any difference at all between them and us - provided we don't program them to disregard all notions of individuality and self-awareness (in the interest of productivity, of course).

[Rog]

So it seems that many of the supernatural followers think human beings have souls.

I have a hard time understanding the soul because the information that I read does not indicate that at all.

Neurology is growing more and more and people and starting to wonder when exactly are we going to be able to transplant consciousness.

The debate of the soul will be put to an end when human beings are able to transplant an individuals brain to another body or even machine.

BBC News | HEALTH | Frankenstein fears after head transplant

Besides transplanting consciousness human beings are now able to see what animals are seeing.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | Looking through cats' eyes

And of course now we can see inside a human beings head.

Scientists extract images directly from brain ::: Pink Tentacle

Human beings are even able to have neurons grow on computer chips and teach the neurons to perform a certain task.

Pure Pedantry : Memory chips from Neuron Cultures

That is not all either.

What takes the cake is how scientists are creating bug robots that can self-program themselves which of course is a common idea in the scientific field.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Robots learn to move themselves


So, now since human beings are pretty much on the verge on creating consciousness I wonder what the soul thinkers actually think about this.

According to them that no matter what a human being will be different because they have souls. So exactly what will make us different then a robot that can learn just like us?

I dont think anyone can answer that yet, at lease till we have a complete brain transplant. also see Jinei's point.

[rez]

I dont think anyone can answer that yet

You don't think anyone can answer, yet you participate in every existence of God thread there is?

[Rog]

You don't think anyone can answer, yet you participate in every existence of God thread there is?

every thread? are you sure? are you stocking me? are you Zhav alter ego???

[inri]

So it seems that many of the supernatural followers think human beings have souls.

I have a hard time understanding the soul because the information that I read does not indicate that at all.

Neurology is growing more and more and people and starting to wonder when exactly are we going to be able to transplant consciousness.

The debate of the soul will be put to an end when human beings are able to transplant an individuals brain to another body or even machine.

BBC News | HEALTH | Frankenstein fears after head transplant

Besides transplanting consciousness human beings are now able to see what animals are seeing.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | Looking through cats' eyes

And of course now we can see inside a human beings head.

Scientists extract images directly from brain ::: Pink Tentacle

Human beings are even able to have neurons grow on computer chips and teach the neurons to perform a certain task.

Pure Pedantry : Memory chips from Neuron Cultures

That is not all either.

What takes the cake is how scientists are creating bug robots that can self-program themselves which of course is a common idea in the scientific field.

BBC NEWS | Technology | Robots learn to move themselves


So, now since human beings are pretty much on the verge on creating consciousness I wonder what the soul thinkers actually think about this.

According to them that no matter what a human being will be different because they have souls. So exactly what will make us different then a robot that can learn just like us?

Many of us believe there is a distinction between 'brain' and 'mind'...'brain' being the mechanical operator of sorts under the higher guidance/direction of 'mind'. I suppose the term 'soul' could be interchangeable with 'mind' in this case.

Data collected on NDE (Near Death Experience phenomenom) by doctors such as: Dr. Michael Sabon, Dr. Melvin Morse, (Seattle study) and Dr. Bruce Greyson (one of the first researchers to gather empirical data on NDE using accepted scientific methods) suggest consciousness of 'mind' may continue after the brain has ceased to function and the body is clinically dead.



http://www.melvinmorse.com/cv.htm

Two recent scientific studies into NDE have been completed in the Netherlands and United Kingdom. the conclusion of both suggests the same: That consciousness can survive physical death and the the mind and brain appear to be 2 different things.

Prior scientific explanations of said NDE experiences such as: oxygen deprivation, medical drugs, physchological defence mechanism, etc...according to these studies, fall short of adequately explaining all of the typical events of an NDE, nor can they account for or explain the unique and typical after effects of such occurrences.

Scientific Research

Obviously much more data and more indepth studies are required in this area, but it seems that as science on one hand moves further into areas of artificial intelligence/consciousness and the like, it's also expanding further and deeper into areas of human consciousness/mind as well, areas previously left largely untouched by science.

[Gods_Mercenary]

The concept of a soul is seperate from that of a consciousness, it is a being's supernatural essence, not some aspect that has a basis in physicality. Now, of course it has no basis in science, but the concept of a soul can be found in pretty much every religion. (of course eastern religions tend to say that the soul, or our true essences, are really one with the rest of reality).

[rez]

every thread? are you sure? are you stocking me? are you Zhav alter ego???

Hey Rog are you sure that was my point?

[rez]

Many of us believe there is a distinction between 'brain' and 'mind'...'brain' being the mechanical operator of sorts under the higher guidance/direction of 'mind'. I suppose the term 'soul' could be interchangeable with 'mind' in this case.

I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

You speak about "mechanical operators" and then suggest that something else guides those operators?

Data collected on NDE (Near Death Experience phenomenom) by doctors such as: Dr. Michael Sabon, Dr. Melvin Morse, (Seattle study) and Dr. Bruce Greyson (one of the first researchers to gather empirical data on NDE using accepted scientific methods) suggest consciousness of 'mind' may continue after the brain has ceased to function and the body is clinically dead.

Your definition of death is completely wrong. You are going to have to learn how scientists interpret death and the way the body works.

[rez]

The concept of a soul is seperate from that of a consciousness, it is a being's supernatural essence, not some aspect that has a basis in physicality. Now, of course it has no basis in science, but the concept of a soul can be found in pretty much every religion. (of course eastern religions tend to say that the soul, or our true essences, are really one with the rest of reality).

As Steven Pinker said "there is no ghost in the machine". He uses stroke patients as an example to show that when a part of the brain dies a part of the human personality dies.

Of course if there was a separation, then we would find that when someone suffers a stroke they would still have the same personality, but perhaps they would not be able to move a certain part of the body.

Because that is what the supernaturalist definition is right?

[inri]

[QUOTE=rez;577093]I don't think you understand what you are talking about.

You speak about "mechanical operators" and then suggest that something else guides those operators?

I was using an analogy...possibly a poor one..obviously a misunderstood one.. Many differentiate between the brain and the mind. The brain is seen as the more mechanical aspect of the more grand/expansive mind.

Your definition of death is completely wrong. You are going to have to learn how scientists interpret death and the way the body works.

I'm using the definition of the doctors/scientist who performed these studies...I don't imagine you took the time to read...?

[rez]

I was using an analogy...possibly a poor one..obviously a misunderstood one.. Many differentiate between the brain and the mind. The brain is seen as the more mechanical aspect of the more grand/expansive mind.

inri, the goal was for you to clarify what you said. I could of easily clarified what you said for you, but I don't feel like having you tell me I am putting words in your mouth.

I understand fully what you meant by mechanical aspect

you have failed to fully articulate what you meant however

How about we use the example of making a post on volconvo.

What were the mechanical parts of you posting and when did you use the "grand/expansive" mind to make your post.......

I'm using the definition of the doctors/scientist who performed these studies...I don't imagine you took the time to read...?

Well you didn't, so I guess I am going to have to show you what I am reading for me to come to this conclusion?

Brain death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia