Human Tails Evolution or Genetic Engineering?

[freedom13]

Did we evolve from monkeys or apes?

Monkeys generally have tails and apes don't. If evolutionists believe that the bony tail is evidence that we evolved from monkey-type creatures, why do they insist that we evolved from a common ancestor with apes, which don't have tails?

Which tailed ape is this anomaly supposed to be throwing back to anyway? If you go through the apes and alleged ape-men claimed to be in humans' evolutionary lineage, you can't find one that had a tail like this baby's appendage, because it is useless as a tail.

And isn't natural selection supposed to favor improvements, and not impediments? Why then would natural selection cause something as useful as a tail to wither into an encumbrance and then disappear? The TalkOrigins website thinks that some “tail” abnormalities on humans are evidence of evolution, and at the time of writing they point out that there is “at least one known example of a primate tail that lacks vertebrae, as found in the rudimentary two-inch-long tail of Macaca sylvanus (the 'Barbary ape')”. Human baby born with tail is not evolution

Human genetic engineering is the genetic engineering of humans by modifying the genotype of the unborn individual to control what traits it will possess when born. Though it may prove helpful to treat certain diseases. Special gene modification research has been carried out on groups such as the 'bubble children' - those whose immune systems do not protect them from the bacteria and irritants all around them. The first clinical trial of human gene therapy began in 1990, but (as of 2008) is still experimental. Other forms of human genetic engineering are still theoretical, or restricted to fiction stories. Recombinant DNA research is usually performed to study gene expression and various human diseases. Some drastic demonstrations of gene modification have been made with mice and other animals, however; testing on humans is generally considered off-limits. In some instances changes are usually brought about by removing genetic material from one organism and transferring them into another species.

There are two main types of genetic engineering. Somatic modifications involve adding genes to cells other than egg or sperm cells. For example, if a person had a disease caused by a defective gene, a healthy gene could be added to the affected cells to treat the disorder. The distinguishing characteristic of somatic engineering is that it is non-inheritable, e.g. the new gene would not be passed to the recipient’s offspring.
Human genetic engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are evolutionist scientists sure that all humans evolved or come from monkeys, apes and gorillas?

Did these evolutionist scientists ever consider that human tails could be done with genetic engineering?

Could it be possible that the apes come from man with genetic engineering?

[Walrus]

Apes and humans do have vestigial tails, they are called the coccyx.

[Rog]

Quote by: freedom13 Did we evolve from monkeys or apes? Monkeys generally have tails and apes don't. If evolutionists believe that the bony tail is evidence that we evolved from monkey-type creatures, why do they insist that we evolved from a common ancestor with apes, which don't have tails? Which tailed ape is this anomaly supposed to be throwing back to anyway? If you go through the apes and alleged ape-men claimed to be in humans' evolutionary lineage, you can't find one that had a tail like this baby's appendage, because it is useless as a tail. There are two main types of genetic engineering. Somatic modifications involve adding genes to cells other than egg or sperm cells. For example, if a person had a disease caused by a defective gene, a healthy gene could be added to the affected cells to treat the disorder. The distinguishing characteristic of somatic engineering is that it is non-inheritable, e.g. the new gene would not be passed to the recipient’s offspring. Human genetic engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Are evolutionist scientists sure that all humans evolved or come from monkeys, apes and gorillas? Did these evolutionist scientists ever consider that human tails could be done with genetic engineering? Could it be possible that the apes come from man with genetic engineering?

Is this another Alien God post?
We need more fossils

[freedom13]

Quote by: Rog Is this another Alien God post? We need more fossils

No disrupting the thread! Just answer the questions....

Are evolutionist scientists sure that all humans evolved or come from monkeys, apes and gorillas?

Did these evolutionist scientists ever consider that human tails could be done with genetic engineering?

Could it be possible that the apes come from man with genetic engineering?

[Walrus]

The popular consensus amongst evolutionist scientists, isn’t that humans evolved or came from monkeys, apes and gorillas; it is that apes and humans probably had a common ancestor.

[freedom13]

Quote by: Walrus Apes and humans do have vestigial tails, they are called the coccyx.

Which apes have vestigial tails?
Ape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which humans have vestigial tails?
Tail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

coccyx
Coccyx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Rog]

Quote by: freedom13 No disrupting the thread! Just answer the questions.... Are evolutionist scientists sure that all humans evolved or come from monkeys, apes and gorillas? Did these evolutionist scientists ever consider that human tails could be done with genetic engineering? Could it be possible that the apes come from man with genetic engineering?

My answer was not disrupting the thread.
Humans could not do any genetic engineering back then at least there is no evidence of it, so it would have to be aliens.

Evolutionist believe humans and the chimp share a common ancestor because the little pieces of fossils the find, they think it belongs to different types of ape, so in their mind they picture what the ape would look like, and they come up with something humanoid looking and call it evolution. I do not believe that.
See my post is related.

[Walrus]

Quote by: freedom13 Which apes have vestigial tails? Ape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Which humans have vestigial tails? Tail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia coccyx Coccyx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These, the Coccyx (vestigial tail) can clearly be seen.

THE TAIL BONE A structure that is the object of reduced evolutionary pressure can, within limits, take on different forms. As a result, one of the telltale signs of a vestige is variability. A good example is the human coccyx, a vestige of the mammalian tail, which has taken on a modified function, notably as an anchor point for the muscles that hold the anus in place. The human coccyx is normally composed of four rudimentary vertebrae fused into a single bone. "But it's amazing how much variability there is at this spot," says Patrick Foye, director of the Coccyx Pain Service at New Jersey Medical School in Newark. Whereas babies born with six fingers or toes are rare, he says, the coccyx can and often does consist of anything from three to five bony segments. What's more, there are more than 100 medical reports of babies born with tails. This atavism arises if the signal that normally stops the process of vertebrate elongation during embryonic development fails to activate on time.

Vestigial organs: Remnants of evolution - life - 14 May 2008 - New Scientist

[freedom13]

Quote by: Rog My answer was not disrupting the thread. Humans could not do any genetic engineering back then at least there is no evidence of it, so it would have to be aliens.

OK, no harm done! The word alien can be misleading sometime, but concerning genetic engineering I was referring to highly advanced technology like the amazing accomplishments of the great pyramids of Egypt.

Rog: Evolutionist believe humans and the chimp share a common ancestor because the little pieces of fossils the find, they think it belongs to different types of ape, so in their mind they picture what the ape would look like, and they come up with something humanoid looking and call it evolution. I do not believe that. See my post is related.

Maybe so, I think what you said here is possible.

[freedom13]

Quote by: Walrus These, the Coccyx (vestigial tail) can clearly be seen. Vestigial organs: Remnants of evolution - life - 14 May 2008 - New Scientist

Do most monkeys have vestigial tail too?

Which humans have tail bone or vestigial tail?

[rez]

Quote by: freedom13 Did we evolve from monkeys or apes? Monkeys generally have tails and apes don't. If evolutionists believe that the bony tail is evidence that we evolved from monkey-type creatures, why do they insist that we evolved from a common ancestor with apes, which don't have tails?

Why is this in the philosophy forum? This isn't a philosophical question.

Do you understand the complexity of genetics? Could you even do a Dihybrid Cross problem set? You do understand that it gets even more complex then that right? Like how do you determine hair color? or how do you determine sex?

I'd like to see where you read that "evolutionists" think that a tail is evidence that we evolved from a "monkey-type creature".\

Edit to add: you also need to show us that you even understand what Common Descent means. Because of right now I think you don't.

[gallo]

Quote by: freedom13 Do most monkeys have vestigial tail too?

No. Monkeys have tails.

Which humans have tail bone or vestigial tail?

All of them. It is called the coccyx.

[freedom13]

Quote by: gallo No. Monkeys have tails. All of them. It is called the coccyx.

all of them like who? Like these...

Human Tails

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Rog My answer was not disrupting the thread. Humans could not do any genetic engineering back then at least there is no evidence of it, so it would have to be aliens. Evolutionist believe humans and the chimp share a common ancestor because the little pieces of fossils the find, they think it belongs to different types of ape, so in their mind they picture what the ape would look like, and they come up with something humanoid looking and call it evolution. I do not believe that.

That's idiotic. But you have helped evidence that there are only two categories of people in this debate: people who support evolution and people who haven't adequately educated themselves on evolution.

[gallo]

Quote by: freedom13 all of them like who? Like these... Human Tails

Yep! What's your point?

[Jinei]

Mutations like that wouldn't be possible if the genetic information for growing tails weren't already in our genes - genetic vestiges of our evolutionary past can lie dormant and can on occasion misfire and "wake up." The fact that we have the genes for making tails like our ape ancestors had is evident of a strong evolutionary connection with them.

Chickens have the genes for making teeth, even though they have no teeth, because they evolved from dinosaurs, who did have teeth. Horses have the genes for making toes, even though they have only one toe, because they're ancestors had toes (as opposed to a unified digit like in modern horses). None of this could be if these animals hadn't evolved from earlier ancestors with those features.

And I hope you've been made aware, as I think Walrus has pointed out, that the prevailing evolutionary view does not include humans evolving from chimps, monkeys, or gorillas. You can say we evolved from apes, but only because we are apes, and so were our ancestors.

[freedom13]

Quote by: gallo Yep! What's your point?

Do the ape type like orangutans, gorillas and chimpanzees have long vestigial tail?

[Jinei]

Quote by: freedom13 Do the ape type like orangutans, gorillas and chimpanzees have long vestigial tail?

.....long....vestigial tail........hmmmm.

[freedom13]

Quote by: rez Why is this in the philosophy forum? This isn't a philosophical question. Do you understand the complexity of genetics? Could you even do a Dihybrid Cross problem set? You do understand that it gets even more complex then that right? Like how do you determine hair color? or how do you determine sex? I'd like to see where you read that "evolutionists" think that a tail is evidence that we evolved from a "monkey-type creature".

Just answer the following questions that I posted, and let's see what you know about genetics.

Are evolutionist scientists sure that all humans evolved or come from monkeys, apes and gorillas?

Did these evolutionist scientists ever consider that human tails could be done with genetic engineering?

Could it be possible that the apes come from man with genetic engineering?

[freedom13]

Quote by: Jinei .....long....vestigial tail........hmmmm.

what would you call it? long boneless...