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m5lange1 · Aug 16, 2004, 01:08 pm

Obviously this is ony for believers.. but I am curious...

Some feminists have made a point of referring to God in the feminine.

Traditionalists in the masculine.

Is this just a matter of convienient pronouns of choice?

If it really is an argument of God's gender I HAVE to know....

If your belief is monotheistic why would God have a sex?

Even the story of His "only begotten son" refers to His "begetting" as immaculate and not actually going through the act of sex.

So if you believe God has a sex (gender)... why?
Or with whom?

Paavo · Aug 16, 2004, 01:09 pm

As a child, when I believed in god - I always took god as a woman by default. I remember my mother wondering why that was, she was happy about it.

Suburbanite · Aug 16, 2004, 02:58 pm

God is an animal?

PatrickHenry · Aug 16, 2004, 03:46 pm

God does not reproduce, sexually or otherwise, so in the standard context, has no gender. However , He is the pursuer, the lover, the woo-er of souls, so in that role He may be said to have a male persona. This is an obvious anthropomorphism of a being that is utterly unlike a human in countless other ways.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Aug 17, 2004, 02:37 am

God must have a gender otherwise s/he would not be so terrified that you would see another God.

m5lange1 · Aug 17, 2004, 08:17 am

LOL I like that answer.

samsara15 · Aug 17, 2004, 09:47 am

I always assumed God was neither male nor female

voyager · Aug 17, 2004, 05:30 pm

The answere is, to me simple, God is both male and female. This is the only way God identify with both genders. That is the meaning of the Tao. Pairs of opposits yet contained in one, so each can know the other.

Technosoul · Aug 18, 2004, 01:29 am

A god is male, a goddess is female.

What is the problem with that?

Technosoul.

voyager · Aug 18, 2004, 04:52 pm

Score one for technosoul.
Try this one on fore size. God is beyond the pairs of opposits ie good and evil, light and dark. For God, everything is as it should be. So where does this right wrong idea come in?

5010 · Aug 18, 2004, 05:13 pm

I'm monotheistic, so I doubt God has any sexual organs. What about masculine or feminine characteristcs?

Well, I live in a culture where typically little boys play with legos and little girls play with dolls. I think "Ultimate Source of Creation" would then be a masculine quality.

LDS · Aug 18, 2004, 05:32 pm

Quote:

Try this one on fore size. God is beyond the pairs of opposits ie good and evil, light and dark. For God, everything is as it should be. So where does this right wrong idea come in?

Why must god be beyond the pair?
Im not sure what you are asking, are you asking why there must be a right and wrong?

Technosoul · Aug 18, 2004, 10:11 pm

The universe expands and then contracts.

The earth in it's orbit of the sun will move closer to the and move furhter out from the sun. Pulled out and pulled in (whatever?).

As the earth moves in and moves out with it's egg shaped orbit we see how this causes the seasons of they year, thusly causing the birthing of spingtime and the hibernaitons of winter.

In other words, planet earth is having sex with the sun for the purposes of reproductions happening relative to the seasons of the year. The goddess Mother Earth is female, and the god Sun (AKA "Ra") is male, seeding earth with it's light.

And as the universe expands out and then moves in again we are observing the universe's orbital orgies. A real big banger happening folks.

So those are the facts about the birds and the bees, hope I have answered all your questions about the gendering topic and creaton.

Technosoul.

Technosoul · Aug 18, 2004, 10:50 pm

Please read also the message I posted above which frames my personal theory about planetary sex.

I think what you are asking why the Bible is suggesting that God is male, and why Jesus called Him the Hevenly Father the answer would be as follows.

In the Jewish culture the family was ruled over by the father who was the head of the household. Pop would have the top word in the family, and mom would then make sure the kids followed the rules of their father during the times when he was off at work, war, or whatever. It was a kind of ranking system of hand-down instructions. A "father knows best" arrangement.

And so in calling God "him" they were simply suggesting that God is the top ruler, the head of the household (creation).

The church would be "mom" telling the "children" the rules she is passing down form God the "father". Thusly the church is called the "bride".

That anology was used so that people could understand the "order or ranking system" they wanted to impress us with.

"wait till your father gets home" is the warning to the kids who do not behave their mother (as pop will back her up with his panking paddle).

So the useage of male terms has nothing to do with reproduction but with who is in charge of things relative to community laws and order.

Technosoul.

Technosoul · Aug 18, 2004, 10:53 pm

Correction "spanking paddle".

Aka great flood, doomsday, hell's fire, day of judgement, etc.

voyager · Aug 19, 2004, 05:00 pm

Society determines what gender is god. Maternal socities think of god as the female bringer of life, and paternal societies view god as a male.

It just so happened that the early Hebrews were in the process of changing from a maternal god to a paternal god. Some remains of the matrical nature of the Hebrews can be seen in the reference to "temple prostitute"in the old testement, book of David I think?

LDS I use Anselm of Canterberry definition the God as a "being that which none greater can be conceived". There fore a God with no comparison.

The_Lone_Liberal · Aug 21, 2004, 11:31 pm

It's interesting that feminists question the tradition of seeing and referring to God as male, but I see no questions at all, no objections whatsoever to the equally pervasive suggestion that Satan is male.

Come to think of it, it would make some sense for Lucifer to actually be Lucy. It would explain a lot. We are talking here about the being that really had it made -- the most beautiful of all the angels, second only to God in heaven. What in the world -- in any world -- could better explain throwing all that away than a severe case of PMS?

Technosoul · Aug 22, 2004, 01:49 am

Gee, if the devil was the most beautiful person in heaven next to god, and if he looks like a red goat with horns and a pointed tail, I am not so sure I would want to live there with all them scary looking angels.

technosoul,

The_Lone_Liberal · Aug 22, 2004, 09:28 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Technosoul,
Gee, if the devil was the most beautiful person in heaven next to god, and if he looks like a red goat with horns and a pointed tail, I am not so sure I would want to live there with all them scary looking angels.

technosoul,

That's only cuz you're not a red goat.

m5lange1 · Aug 22, 2004, 09:30 am

These observations are pretty Baaaaaaaad.

Aug 16, 2004, 01:08 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	Obviously this is ony for believers.. but I am curious... Some feminists have made a point of referring to God in the feminine. Traditionalists in the masculine. Is this just a matter of convienient pronouns of choice? If it really is an argument of God's gender I HAVE to know.... If your belief is monotheistic why would God have a sex? Even the story of His "only begotten son" refers to His "begetting" as immaculate and not actually going through the act of sex. So if you believe God has a sex (gender)... why? Or with whom? Protester against the culture war!!!!

Aug 16, 2004, 03:46 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438	God does not reproduce, sexually or otherwise, so in the standard context, has no gender. However , He is the pursuer, the lover, the woo-er of souls, so in that role He may be said to have a male persona. This is an obvious anthropomorphism of a being that is utterly unlike a human in countless other ways. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Aug 17, 2004, 02:37 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	God must have a gender otherwise s/he would not be so terrified that you would see another God. Logical Fallicies Link

Aug 17, 2004, 08:17 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	LOL I like that answer. Protester against the culture war!!!!

Aug 17, 2004, 09:47 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 Ch Latour 61 Location: Maryland Posts: 655	I always assumed God was neither male nor female Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97

Aug 16, 2004, 01:09 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	As a child, when I believed in god - I always took god as a woman by default. I remember my mother wondering why that was, she was happy about it.

Aug 16, 2004, 02:58 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	God is an animal?

Aug 17, 2004, 05:30 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
voyager Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 103	The answere is, to me simple, God is both male and female. This is the only way God identify with both genders. That is the meaning of the Tao. Pairs of opposits yet contained in one, so each can know the other.

Aug 18, 2004, 01:29 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	A god is male, a goddess is female. What is the problem with that? Technosoul.

Aug 18, 2004, 04:52 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
voyager Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 103	Score one for technosoul. Try this one on fore size. God is beyond the pairs of opposits ie good and evil, light and dark. For God, everything is as it should be. So where does this right wrong idea come in?

Aug 18, 2004, 05:13 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
5010 mostly harmless Location: USA Posts: 1,284	I'm monotheistic, so I doubt God has any sexual organs. What about masculine or feminine characteristcs? Well, I live in a culture where typically little boys play with legos and little girls play with dolls. I think "Ultimate Source of Creation" would then be a masculine quality. - solo (my site)

Aug 18, 2004, 10:11 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	The universe expands and then contracts. The earth in it's orbit of the sun will move closer to the and move furhter out from the sun. Pulled out and pulled in (whatever?). As the earth moves in and moves out with it's egg shaped orbit we see how this causes the seasons of they year, thusly causing the birthing of spingtime and the hibernaitons of winter. In other words, planet earth is having sex with the sun for the purposes of reproductions happening relative to the seasons of the year. The goddess Mother Earth is female, and the god Sun (AKA "Ra") is male, seeding earth with it's light. And as the universe expands out and then moves in again we are observing the universe's orbital orgies. A real big banger happening folks. So those are the facts about the birds and the bees, hope I have answered all your questions about the gendering topic and creaton. Technosoul.

Aug 18, 2004, 10:50 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Please read also the message I posted above which frames my personal theory about planetary sex. I think what you are asking why the Bible is suggesting that God is male, and why Jesus called Him the Hevenly Father the answer would be as follows. In the Jewish culture the family was ruled over by the father who was the head of the household. Pop would have the top word in the family, and mom would then make sure the kids followed the rules of their father during the times when he was off at work, war, or whatever. It was a kind of ranking system of hand-down instructions. A "father knows best" arrangement. And so in calling God "him" they were simply suggesting that God is the top ruler, the head of the household (creation). The church would be "mom" telling the "children" the rules she is passing down form God the "father". Thusly the church is called the "bride". That anology was used so that people could understand the "order or ranking system" they wanted to impress us with. "wait till your father gets home" is the warning to the kids who do not behave their mother (as pop will back her up with his panking paddle). So the useage of male terms has nothing to do with reproduction but with who is in charge of things relative to community laws and order. Technosoul.

Aug 18, 2004, 10:53 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Correction "spanking paddle". Aka great flood, doomsday, hell's fire, day of judgement, etc.

Aug 19, 2004, 05:00 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
voyager Molten Ash Location: Michigan Posts: 103	Society determines what gender is god. Maternal socities think of god as the female bringer of life, and paternal societies view god as a male. It just so happened that the early Hebrews were in the process of changing from a maternal god to a paternal god. Some remains of the matrical nature of the Hebrews can be seen in the reference to "temple prostitute"in the old testement, book of David I think? LDS I use Anselm of Canterberry definition the God as a "being that which none greater can be conceived". There fore a God with no comparison.

Aug 21, 2004, 11:31 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
The_Lone_Liberal Grilled cheese Location: Texas (moved from Massachusetts) Posts: 82	It's interesting that feminists question the tradition of seeing and referring to God as male, but I see no questions at all, no objections whatsoever to the equally pervasive suggestion that Satan is male. Come to think of it, it would make some sense for Lucifer to actually be Lucy. It would explain a lot. We are talking here about the being that really had it made -- the most beautiful of all the angels, second only to God in heaven. What in the world -- in any world -- could better explain throwing all that away than a severe case of PMS? The Lone Liberal

Aug 22, 2004, 01:49 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Gee, if the devil was the most beautiful person in heaven next to god, and if he looks like a red goat with horns and a pointed tail, I am not so sure I would want to live there with all them scary looking angels. technosoul,

Aug 22, 2004, 09:30 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	These observations are pretty Baaaaaaaad. Protester against the culture war!!!!