Without Science, Prove This Life Is Real!!

[Piscean]

Depends on the experience. Walking into a house that everyone has told me is haunted might give me a spooky feeling but without any evidence of a ghost i would dismiss the feelings as just being suggestive.
However i have had an out of body experience that science has no answer for but i can come up with a psychological answer for it.
No, science doesn't answer everything but then we are not reliant on science to give us answers to everything. The trick is to keep the answers within the context of how we are answering .

What happened with your out of body expirience? If you don't mind sharing and it's not to personal or anything.

[Electric Hermit]

I would have no need to they would agree with me.
* Is Psychology a Science?

Note what the piece actually says. It refers to very specific areas of psychology which, by some definitions might not always be entire what some people might call scientific.

The names I listed were all experimental and behavioural psychologists. There is no possible way to deny that they are scientists. And it sure as hell didn't stop with them. Want me to list some modern psychologists and examples of their scientific work?

[SoylentGreen]

What happened with your out of body expirience? If you don't mind sharing and it's not to personal or anything.

Ok. My very first jump out of a plane. I was attached to a safety cord, it allows me to fall a safe distance and then automatically pulls the rip cord. Stops amateurs from saying " Gee, look how close the ground is getting. "

Anyway, standing on the wing outside the plane , the instructor said jump and i did. In that small amount of time between jumping and the cord been pulled i watched my body fall from the plane, then when the chute opened i was pulled back into my body.
My psychological explanation is that while my body was ready to jump my mind wasn't. It was saying to me , you can jump if you want, i am staying right here

[Electric Hermit]

For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being.

We can say with absolute certainty that a scientist would not be inclined to believe such a thing. But they would just as certainly be determined to investigate. And they have.

And, guess what? Prayer can have an effect! But not any effect that must be attributed to supernatural intervention. Put simply, the suggestive power of prayer can have psychological effects which manifest in physiological changes.

The same effects can be produced using meaningless chants addressed to stuffed bears.

[Piscean]

Anyway, standing on the wing outside the plane , the instructor said jump and i did. In that small amount of time between jumping and the cord been pulled i watched my body fall from the plane, then when the chute opened i was pulled back into my body.
My psychological explanation is that while my body was ready to jump my mind wasn't. It was saying to me , you can jump if you want, i am staying right here

Cool, seeing yourself in the 3rd person is a trip, I've done so too under different circumstnces. Thanks for sharing.

[Piscean]

We can say with absolute certainty that a scientist would not be inclined to believe such a thing. But they would just as certainly be determined to investigate. And they have.

And, guess what? Prayer can have an effect! But not any effect that must be attributed to supernatural intervention. Put simply, the suggestive power of prayer can have psychological effects which manifest in physiological changes.

The same effects can be produced using meaningless chants addressed to stuffed bears.

What kinds of things were affected in these studies?

[Electric Hermit]

However, it must be admitted that our actual knowledge of these laws is only imperfect and fragmentary...

No it isn't. Incomplete, certainly. But not imperfect and certainly not fragmentary. Scientific knowledge is not a collection of discrete bits and pieces of data. It is a multi-dimensional matrix of mutually supporting evidence.

So interconnected is this knowledge that things can be known without even doing anything to find them out. Because the nature of what will fill the gap is constrained by all the facts that surround it. parts of the periodic table of elements were predicted in this way long before they were actually discovered. And "invisible" planets are known to exist because of their gravitational effect of other bodies.

You find it easy to dismiss science only because you have no idea what it really is.

[Piscean]

No it isn't. Incomplete, certainly. But not imperfect and certainly not fragmentary. Scientific knowledge is not a collection of discrete bits and pieces of data. It is a multi-dimensional matrix of mutually supporting evidence.

So interconnected is this knowledge that things can be known without even doing anything to find them out. Because the nature of what will fill the gap is constrained by all the facts that surround it. parts of the periodic table of elements were predicted in this way long before they were actually discovered. And "invisible" planets are known to exist because of their gravitational effect of other bodies.

You find it easy to dismiss science only because you have no idea what it really is.

SORRY it was Einstein who said this, not me (even though I completely agree) and if you presume to tell me you know more about the subject than Einstein....................need I really say more

[Electric Hermit]

What kinds of things were affected in these studies?

There have been many experiments. The one I recall involved heart patients. The point is, there was in every instance a scientific explanation for every effect. Even confirmed atheists tend to benefit from knowing that there are people around them wishing them well. It's human psychology. It ain't magic.

[Piscean]

Scientific knowledge is not a collection of discrete bits and pieces of data.

Since when?

[Piscean]

There have been many experiments. The one I recall involved heart patients. The point is, there was in every instance a scientific explanation for every effect. Even confirmed atheists tend to benefit from knowing that there are people around them wishing them well. It's human psychology. It ain't magic.

So anything you can't explain gets shoved under the heading "majic" and therefore you get to discredit it.....interesting.

[Piscean]

You find it easy to dismiss science only because you have no idea what it really is.

So your saying Einstein knows nothing about the subject and easily dismises it. You've just shown me how much you really know yourself.