The Fallen Spirit

[Technosoul]

Otundie sat in the entrance his leaf hut as the gathering storm thundered in a loud god like voice and he saw a spirit of light falling from the clouds where it appeared to land in this tree. (he saw a lightening bolt). Next day he went to the tree to find the spirit of light sent down from heaven. But did not see it in the tree, and then thought it might be inside the tree, so he got some dark and a sharp stick and drilled a hole in the wood looking for the light and sparks flew out of the wood. Thinking he had found the light spirit he went back to the tribe with his stick and wood to show everyone. But as he drilled the wood a spark landed in a dry bush nearby and suddenly the dry bush was consumed in fire. Scaring everyone because no one had seen fire before that time.

This fire spirit could burn down all the bushes and trees and we would have no nuts or fruits to eat - one elder of the tribe said. They had a meeting and Otundie said that the fire spirit was sent down from the thunder being in heaven as a gift, and they should not reject the gift. Other objected and said the fire spirit was dangerous. Otundie then talked them in to allowing him to continue his need to understand the light spirit in a cave where their were no bushes or trees, the tribe agreed to that solution. None of them even comprehended how important the discovery of fire making would be and how it would transform human culture.

In the cave he built a campfire and kept it going with the continued collection of wood from outside. Now the flickering embers of a campfire match the rythems of our brain waves when in a meditate state, so as Otundie stared into the fire he statred to meditate and then trance out which caused him to exprience other dimensional visions. Soon other tribe members joined him in that trans meditation ritual which became the worlds first religion.

Being lazy Otundie wanted to get others to help collect the firewood so he told them all they must bring a gift for the Fire Spirit. (meaning bring your own wood to sacrafice the flames).

One girl did not understand and she brought an apple to sacrafice to the burning bush (campfire). It rolled close to the flame but baked in the heat, later she ate of it and found the cider taste very good, she gave it to others and they all loved new taste the fire gave to the apple. And so it was that mankind learned about cooking. Another came with a image they had made out of some damp clay, and when it was given to the fire spirit it became very hard like a stone, thus they learned about the making of pottery. Each time they would bring a gift of sacrafice to the Fire Spirit they would gain more knowledge from the burning tree wood.

One evening a mountain cat came to the entrance of their gave, and someone grabbed a burning stick from the campfire and the beast ran away.

So the Fire Spirit became the teacher of knowledge, and the protector, and the comforter on chilly nights, and allowed them to see in the darkness, as well as being a source for visions (the only entertainment they had) because of the campfire trance meditations. The fire gave them a sense of peace and became a gathering place around which people could tell stories and storytelling was also part of humanities orignal religion.

Later the cooking experiments led to brews and medical cures and for making animal meat sanitary.

And perhaps the thunder voice said "I am well pleased with my child the Spirit of Light and Fire which I sent down from heaven as a gift to mankind".

As you know other stores based on this orginal story became spins offs of this theme.

Technosoul.

[Rave7pt0]

I feel like you're approaching the story as if they were wrong about the Spirit of Light and Fire... what if they weren't?

[Technosoul]

clearly we would not have progressed as a human culture without the campfire (or knowing how to make fire) as so much of our technology is dependant upon fire, such as smelting gold and making iron, etc.

So in this remote viewing of a possible historical happening one would think that Otundie was right and the tribe eleders who objected to something new that they did not understand were wrong.

Of course fire is very dangerous but also very useful. Like drugs the right useage can save us but the improper useage could kill us.

Now as the story continued the elders were unhappy that too many people were spending too much time at the cave taking part in the new fire religion that Otundie had established, so they all marched up to the cave and demand that he get rid of the fire sticks for the sake of tribal unity and so that people would spend more time doing the duties of collecting food and building huts.

Otundie was about to destroy the fire sticks when the earth began to quake and behold, the mountian people looked up and saw that their mountain was erupting with a volcanic explosion of fire and brimstone, and they cried out "woe are we for rejecting the gift of fire". And in fear that all ran down the mountain in many directions in small groups and become lost from one another in the dense tropical forests. Otundie also escaped that doomsday but kept the fire sticks and his group survived to populate the earth.

Technosoul.

[Rave7pt0]

That's not what I meant.

I meant what if "fire" really is the Spirit of Light and Fire? What if it really was sent by God?

What if we're just arrogant in thinking we can explain away God, simply by uncovering some of His mechanisms?

[Technosoul]

What makes you think I am explaining away God because I have touched upon some ideas concerning the evolution of concept construction over the generations? I do not recall stating that as my motive?

It is true that when John Baptised Jesus the thunder voice sent down a light (aka doves) upon Jesus as a blessing and to fill his being with the spirit of the light, and God was discribed by Moses as a Burning Bush of Light.

And the spirit of Jesus talked about the spirit as the comforter, protector, teacher, and so forth, which the campfire also represented relative to our human relationship with it's useage.

I have shown how these two stories are in the image of one another, and how one is a template of the other.

For some reason some religious people think that someone like me who comes up with an idea like this is doing it to proove their ideas about God are wrong, but that is not even our purpose or on our mind when we bring forth a theory that is based on science or logic. What you believe in is not under attack just because I wish to show how those beliefs came into being. Nor does that mean your belief is wrong or that it is silly, just because it has logical roots relative to other historical or physical facts.

Be advised that a belief is like the fire in the burning bush of Moses, it does not consume nor does it destroy the tree in which it has illuminated, and likewise I am not the hatchet man out to chop down the tree in which the light is present. Beyound the blue the stars twinkle, so let you light shine forth as a campfire for your community to gather around.

For the campfire is the like unto the candlesticks of the 7 churches.

Someone once said: "as above so below" but we know that "above" is not a fact relative to earth and sky. Because the earth is global and not flat. So it means "as it is within so it is outside".
In other words, the physical manifestations are outside and they are as the Spirit within. The light in the tree, the light in the flintstone, the light in your mind, and the light in the sun and the stars, all sources of the dark energy we call matter - which mechanisms serve the spirit even as our robots serve us.

So think not that I come as an enemy to destroy your belief system or your Bible, for I come to give it meaning and light.

Technosoul.

[Samildanach]

what about cannibalistic cultures? It could go like this Otundie was walking along with his tribe at the point of starvation. A lightening storm ensued in which a forest fire started which burned two of his tribe members to a crisp. they sure did taste good though.

[Technosoul]

My Uncle was a cannibal, he got a blood transfusion and a organ implant. He never told me that stroy.

Anyway, why not?

I have read that mankind discorved fire by collecting it from a grass fire that was produced by lightening. (which did not explain how he learned to rub sticks together or flint rocks). But such a theory has been suggested. I once saw this movie (where a coke bottle fell from an airplane into this primitive tribe in Africa) and in part two of those movies they showed the little primitive man doing something like that.

Some tribes have this moral code, if you kill something you must eat it. Murdering just for sport of fun was a great sin. Because they thought that the spirit lives on in the preditor and so if you did not eat a part of the person you killed then that spirit would be homeless for eternity. So out of respect for the enemy combatant they would allow his spirit to live on in them via the ritual of cannabalism. How about that? Love thy enemy.

Anyway, did we have too many cans of beer? (burp).

Anyway, just because someone can present a different story does not mean that the other story is any less true. I only means you got more then one story to pick from.

Technosoul.

[Rave7pt0]

Na man, you got me all wrong again.

I don't feel attacked -- I'm just starting a discussion where there used to be a story, yeah?

I agree with you. Do you realize that the mystics of every religion are all saying the same thing in different languages? Isn't that rad?

[Technosoul]

Yes I have noticed that they all main mystics seem to be talking about the same basics (before interpretations).

You are correct to segway into a discussion as that was the purpose of the story.

Technosoul.