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    Jesus's message

    What good did Jesus do with His time on earth? Pretty much all I can think of is forgiveness and saying over and over again that God is great, in many different ways, and a few minor philosophies. Did anyone ever ask Him what is God? Surely they did, but He had no answer that would suffice, so they left it out of the scriptures. That would have made Him a laughing stock and added to his reputation of being a trouble maker, which would have made the people attack Him and demand an answer. If He had answered correctly, then He would have been a hero to the people and feared by the government, but He never did anything that would make people pray to God, so did He help God, or Himself, or whatever? He could have done so much more than He did, but He chose to let people suffer that would not come to Him, and not to tell people what God is. If He had explained what God is to people, they would have understood and flocked to be with Him in their afterlife, so what did Jesus do for thirty three years? Wander around and babble on doing some publicity for His God unto the people. Everyone loves a good samaratin, so that is what Jesus did. Why did He not make the poor wealthy? He fed people that came to Him, but He never made the hungry well fed all over the world, so does He not love them? To see a hungry man and ignore Him, as He sees all men all the time through His own mysterious ways, is not like a loving God. What about people that pray to Him for wealth? They did not get any, but He did heal the sick for instant stardom.

    Except for healing the sick God did not unravel any of the mysteries of the world. Any other wise man could have said it is good to forgive, and I am betting they all did - the truley respected of people. It is natural to forgive under reasonable criteria, so the message of forgiveness was a waste of time. However demanding that you ask forgiveness is a weak attribute. Think of the types of people that demand others ask them for forgiveness... they are shallow indeed, so, if God is great He is not shallow, right? If God is great then you might say that He wants people to acknowledge their transgressions to Him, to confess, so to speak. Is that good? It is natural for someone with great power to demand certain things of their 'subjects', but is it good to 'beat' an apology out of someone else? That is what happened with the bible, it is there to beat an apology out of people under threat of hell, like racketeering, sort of, so what good is God? Is that right? Is God wrong? Under the preceding reasons I reckon that Jesus's message was a waste of time and His powers were put to meagre use, and that God is wrong. That's what I get out of Jesus's message, although it was intended to bring people closer to God through fear and other things.

    What is a merciful God? One that has mercy on others. What is a cruel God? The one I have just described. What is a mysterious God? One that works in wonderful ways. What is a shallow God? One that helps only those that come to Him. If He loved everyone so much then He would go out to them revealing Himself and helping them. So what is the purpose of life? To serve God? Then why do people spend so much time wandering from Him without being friendlyly redirected to 'the path'? That God does not reveal Himself means that He must have something to hide, and someone with something to hide is not all powerful enough to fix it, or is proud, and pride is a sin, some say, so God is getting kicks in at Himself. But what purpose does pride play to a God? Comparing Himself to everything He has created just goes to show how shallow He is, so is our God a jibbering pile of pride? Why should we worship Him? Because He is great? That again goes to show how transparent He is, that He gets a kick out of showing people his muscles, and also out of seeing them squirm.

    So Jesus should have said that God is great, but not good, is not loving, will forgive you if you ask for it but will punish you for everything He has no business with, and that He would heal those that came to Him but ignorance of His prescence is abscence from His court. Pretty much sums it up, oh and throw in a few more clever quips.

    !! Going to my destruction !!

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    A) We know Jesus didn't exist. We've been over that a few times on Volconvo.

    B) The message that Jesus allegedly gave was directly only at Jews. Paul (or whoever's) idea to extend Christianity to non-Jews would have had the original authors of the cult of Christ rolling in their graves. "Love thy neighbor" wasn't meant to apply to non-Jews as even a cursory reading of the old testament will affirm.

    C) Jesus' alleged message is hopelessly wracked with an unhealthy obsession with sin. Think about it. Jesus could have spent his time talking about the beauty of the cosmos. He could have explained about DNA. He could have told everyone about dinosaurs and evolution. ... Only, he didn't because (aside from not being real) he was a scam invented by Jews under Roman control to "re-Judify" a fractured Judea that was ready to succumb to Roman oppression.

    For Christianity to work, you need to be sick. You have to be infected with a magic disease called sin. All the normal urges you have. Everything that you could possibly even remotely feel guilty about is amped up... all having something to do with original sin which most agree never happened (but was believed as true for at the time).

    So, the cosmic Jewish zombie allegedly showed up about 2000 years ago and made people feel terrible about themselves while positing that he was the only way to feel un-terrible. This horrid cult. This terrible abortion of reason and human dignity. It became institutionalized by the Roman empire (thanks in no small part to the political ambitions of Constantine) and we here, in the age of the internet, we have to eat the intellectual offal of sexually repressed iron age morons.

    Jesus' message should have been that of gnosticism, not the orthodoxy (modern christianity) that bullied and murdered its way into history. The message of all of us being special would have had a far better part on Western civilization than the silly yet easily memorized pageant that now serves as the dominant religion.


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    Jesus´s message

    I laugh, because my friend Jesus sent me a text message asking me to meet him at 10 am tomorrow for a coffee and a chat.
    that Jesus, i can believe that he will in fact be there for me


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    Quote Quote by: Zhavric View Post
    B) The message that Jesus allegedly gave was directly only at Jews. Paul (or whoever's) idea to extend Christianity to non-Jews would have had the original authors of the cult of Christ rolling in their graves. "Love thy neighbor" wasn't meant to apply to non-Jews as even a cursory reading of the old testament will affirm.
    Jesus asked forgiveness for those who were clearly not Jews and even pagan. Sorry, not just for Jews.

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    The main argument is long and the paragraphs are thick, so I don't want to sit here and pick them all apart for risk of hurting my eyes. I will point out a few of the things I thought were wrong:

    It is natural to forgive under reasonable criteria, so the message of forgiveness was a waste of time.
    Except that Jesus didn't ask you to forgive under "reasonable criteria". He says forgive no matter how many times you are offended.

    but is it good to 'beat' an apology out of someone else?
    God doesn't 'beat' an apology out of anybody, otherwise we'd all be wracked in pain at every little sin. He asks you to forgive others as he forgives you. He's ready to forgive whether you are ready to accept it or not.


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    Who has actually listened to and practiced Jesus' message anyway?

    I reject your reality and insert my own!

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    I don't, even for a minute, think that anyone on this site is going to actually follow this link Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics but there it is anyway. Calvin was no dummy. I don't agree with absolutely everything that fell out of his mouth, but on key issues of doctrine, he's right on. Study it if you're at all interested in shedding these skewed views of Christianity.

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    http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html

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    Zhavric
    B) The message that Jesus allegedly gave was directly only at Jews. Paul (or whoever's) idea to extend Christianity to non-Jews would have had the original authors of the cult of Christ rolling in their graves. "Love thy neighbor" wasn't meant to apply to non-Jews as even a cursory reading of the old testament will affirm.
    Correct. Except after The Christ, Jews are those who accepted him as saviour, not the impostors who frequent sinagogues.

    Aussie
    Who has actually listened to and practiced Jesus' message anyway?
    Saints did.

    Orthodox Christian Lives of Saints - organized by name

    wyoguy
    I don't, even for a minute, think that anyone on this site is going to actually follow this link Center for Reformed Theology and Apologetics but there it is anyway. Calvin was no dummy. I don't agree with absolutely everything that fell out of his mouth, but on key issues of doctrine, he's right on. Study it if you're at all interested in shedding these skewed views of Christianity.
    There is nothing new or unique about this particular heresy that warrants studying it.


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    Wow, the brainwashing has worked well!

    I reject your reality and insert my own!

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    Quote Quote by: Aussie View Post
    Wow, the brainwashing has worked well!
    How so?

    Would you deny that someone who has dedicated their life to service of some form as not living up to a message?

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    Quote Quote by: HelioPrime View Post
    Jesus asked forgiveness for those who were clearly not Jews and even pagan.
    That came later. Remember that Christianity as you know it today isn't what Jesus said 2000 years ago. It's what dozens of people attributed to him over a period of nearly 300 years. The original message had very little to do with non-Jews.


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    Quote Quote by: HelioPrime View Post
    How so?

    Would you deny that someone who has dedicated their life to service of some form as not living up to a message?
    Of course you're not living the message. This is what kills me about modern Christians. You claim that you live your life in accordance with and draw your morality from the bible, but you absolutely do not. Your morality resembles nothing of the barbarism and bloodlettings of the old testament nor does you embrace the hippy antics of the new testament. As I've stated before, you neither demand "an eye for an eye" nor do you "turn the other cheek". Your morality comes from the same non-biblical source everyone else's does.

    Didn't Jesus demand his followers cast off their ties to their families before coming to follow him? Isn't that exactly what cults do? Don't the people who deny that Jesus is magical in the NT end up getting labeled as "demon possesed"? Shouldn't that be setting off intellectual warning bells?


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