Christ does NOT fulfill prophesy

[Aussie]

Quote by: Sinner Another interesting observation, is that an "atheist" is often simply a Christ-hater. Anti-Christian religions just don't come under attack by atheists.

Have you had your eyes shut then? Or was it just easier to say that people who dont believe your beliefs are Christ-haters. A lot of victims here!

[Sinner]

Aussie Have you had your eyes shut then? Or was it just easier to say that people who dont believe your beliefs are Christ-haters. A lot of victims here!

Let's see, mate.

There are 21 threads under Philosophy & Religion (1st page).

7 use distinctly Christian themes in their titles. Such as (Christ, Bible, Perfect God, Revelation). this is some 33%.

Other threads are not as obvious, yet if one starts looking into, it is mostly atheists vs christians.

Almost never islam comes under attack. And judaism certainly appears to be untouchable.

[Rog]

Quote by: Rogue Cardinal The OT is YOUR God's laws and words. The Old Testament HOLDS the only prophesies of your boy Jesus H. Christ. So by you basically peeing on it.....you are peeing on your own religion. Try this instead......refute the points....instead of wasting everyones time with drivel.

Jesus promissed to save us by grace, so by falowing the laws only, it will not get us anywhere.
did you miss that?

[Rog]

Quote by: rez Faith? I have faith that man can discover the unknown? Haven't we been doing that for the past million years? From making a fire, building a wheel, to sending cameras in space.... Christians are the ones that have faith Rog. You need to learn some things. Edit to Add: And there is yet another theist on the boards doubting Biology. Doubting it not because it sucks at explaining what it says it explains, but because it conflicts with their superstitions. We have hundreds of threads here with theists saying the same stuff over and over again and none of them ever learning from it. Rog, go check the science forum and learn something before you speak please.

Very cute, I guess you deicided it would be ok to completetly ignore the quotes I posted that athiest fallows by faith...

[Jack]

Almost never islam comes under attack. And judaism certainly appears to be untouchable.

Religious debates tend to address the most common religions, which in the U.S. is the Christian religion. I haven't seen anyone giving Islam or Judaism a pass. When those religions are mentioned they are greeted with the same skepticism as any other.

Of course every religious group wants to believe they're the most persecuted religion on Earth. It makes them feel justified in their faith. For example:

A Brotherhood statement written by Sheikh Husein Al Gharib, a “leading” cleric declared: Under the pretext of freedom of thought, blasphemy and ridiculing Islam and its laws and principles are underway. Al Gharib also demanded to know why Saadawi had never been prosecuted, and asked why she had singled out Islam without attacking Christianity. Does she dare to talk about Jesus Christ, considered by Christians God or the son of God? … Saadawi and her peers who claim to be people of thought, have sold themselves to the enemies of Islam, and are being used to target Islam and Muslims.

The Freethinker › ‘I don’t answer to the ignorant’ says Egyptian writer accused of blasphemy

[thrashee]

Quote by: Rog Well, I am sure you know that Christians do not think Jews and Catholics are going to heaven right? so explaining the Torah is not going to matter.

Hey, wait a second here, Catholics are Christians. (Odd, as a recovering Catholic myself, I still feel the need to defend it ).

The idea of the Trinity is perhaps the most misunderstood and overcomplicated concept in the faith.

[Rog]

Quote by: thrashee Hey, wait a second here, Catholics are Christians. (Odd, as a recovering Catholic myself, I still feel the need to defend it ). The idea of the Trinity is perhaps the most misunderstood and overcomplicated concept in the faith.

catholics take in concideration christ, but they still falow old jewish laws.

[thrashee]

Quote by: Rog catholics take in concideration christ, but they still falow old jewish laws.

Such as?

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Sinner Either through ignorance or deliberatly, you give as attributes of jewish "messiah" who of course according to Christian Doctrine is the Anti-Christ. Interestingly enough, you try to build you argument on jewish sources. Mind you modern judaism is response to Christianity not the 5000 years old religion it pretends to be. Another interesting observation, is that an "atheist" is often simply a Christ-hater. Anti-Christian religions just don't come under attack by atheists. It is always Bible, Christ, Church that they want to discredit. Somehow sinagogues, satanic orgies etc. escape atheist's attention.

I would say you possess divine ignorance. The Christian doctrine doesn't make the Jewish Messiah the Anti-Christ.

Funny enough.....all of the Prophesy that is supposed to tell of Christs coming comes form the Old Testament.....which would be the OLD Jewish Tradition.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog Jesus promissed to save us by grace, so by falowing the laws only, it will not get us anywhere. did you miss that?

Rog....if you would be so kind as to actually participate. The Prophesies that fortell of the Messiah are in your Bible. I am refuting your Bible.

Could you please refute my claim?

[Rog]

Quote by: Rogue Cardinal Rog....if you would be so kind as to actually participate. The Prophesies that fortell of the Messiah are in your Bible. I am refuting your Bible. Could you please refute my claim?

Ephisians 2:8
I am sure you read it...

[GHook93]

Quote by: Sinner Either through ignorance or deliberatly, you give as attributes of jewish "messiah" who of course according to Christian Doctrine is the Anti-Christ.

Do you have proof of that. That sounds like a claim off the KKK/Neo-Nazi hand-book!

Interestingly enough, you try to build you argument on jewish sources. Mind you modern judaism is response to Christianity not the 5000 years old religion it pretends to be.

That is very untrue and insulting!

Another interesting observation, is that an "atheist" is often simply a Christ-hater. Anti-Christian religions just don't come under attack by atheists.

Also untrue. Atheist might not like Christians who preach they are going to hell, gay are devils and have inflicted mas-killings, since the "resurrection."

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Rog Ephisians 2:8 I am sure you read it...

Well given the argument I have put forth.....You quote really doesn't MEAN anything does it.

Jesus fulfills the prophesy or he doesn't. There is no half way. You can't build a religion around a prophesy and then ignore the prophesy.

So at this point it would seem that a scripture that would make a lot more since than yours would be, Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me"

After all the Jews think the Messiah will be a Jew. One of them. There is nothing about the Messiah being the Son of God. Your Jesus has elevated himself to an equal of God and thus is a false God.

[Sinner]

Jack Religious debates tend to address the most common religions, which in the U.S. is the Christian religion. I haven't seen anyone giving Islam or Judaism a pass. When those religions are mentioned they are greeted with the same skepticism as any other.

Actualy the most common religion in the US is heresy. Of course these heresies flourish because very few people are capable to recognise them as such.

Even on this forum which attracts people with above average curiocity into religious matters, I won't be able to find a person capable of telling the attributes of the real Christianity.

thrashee Hey, wait a second here, Catholics are Christians. (Odd, as a recovering Catholic myself, I still feel the need to defend it ).

Catolicism is a heresy of the first degree, a.k.a. latin heresy.

Rogue Cardinal I would say you possess divine ignorance. The Christian doctrine doesn't make the Jewish Messiah the Anti-Christ. Funny enough.....all of the Prophesy that is supposed to tell of Christs coming comes form the Old Testament.....which would be the OLD Jewish Tradition

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Are you the schoolar of Christian Doctrine? What specifically are the sources you have studied? Bible? This is not nearly enough. What about decisions of Ecumenical Councils? Writings of Holy Fathers? Have you heard of those? I doubt it very much. Because if you did, you would know that the "messiah" jews are waiting for is the Anti-Christ.

GHook93 Do you have proof of that. That sounds like a claim off the KKK/Neo-Nazi hand-book!

The Church's Doctrine is some 19+ centuries older than nazies, so you comparison is non valid.

That is very untrue and insulting!

This is true. Judaism of the Old Testament is no more. Those jews who fulfilled it, became Christians, and those who didn’t rejected it and built new religion based on interpretations of rabbis. This is why Judaism is the exact opposite of Christianity and active rejection of the Christ.

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Sinner Are you the schoolar of Christian Doctrine? What specifically are the sources you have studied? Bible? This is not nearly enough. What about decisions of Ecumenical Councils? Writings of Holy Fathers? Have you heard of those? I doubt it very much. Because if you did, you would know that the "messiah" jews are waiting for is the Anti-Christ.

I read a lot....A LOT. I've studied tons of things by tons of different people. I've studied specific religions and the important people that had thoughts on them. Most noteable religions of study have been Catholic, Roman Catholic, Judaism, Methodist, Nazarene, Baptist (but not all of the splinter cells), Anabaptist, Anglican, and several others. I do study a lot of other religions as my travels have attracted me to thoughts of others.

Of course you as a Christian would think the Messiah that the Jews wait for is the Anti-Christ while ignoring the fact that your Messiah, Jesus.....didn't fulfill the prophecies.

[Jack]

the real Christianity

All the sects within Christianity are real to themselves. None are real to each other. None are real to non-believers. Check out the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

You're right, though. Because even Christians of one sect consider all those of other sects heathens, our numbers are actually larger than usually reported. Heathens should be considered a larger, more popular group than any other single Christian denomination.

Hmmm...

[Rogue Cardinal]

Quote by: Jack All the sects within Christianity are real to themselves. None are real to each other. None are real to non-believers. Check out the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. You're right, though. Because even Christians of one sect consider all those of other sects heathens, our numbers are actually larger than usually reported. Heathens should be considered a larger, more popular group than any other single Christian denomination. Hmmm...

You've hit an interesting point. Within Christianity....it's easy to watch them fall into the MY WAY is better than YOUR way trap. Hence the Calvanists versus the Anti-Calvanists and things fo that nature. There is the WORD.....and yet there are so many interpretations with whole Christina religions based on those ideas.

For example there is a whole line of thought on religious atonement based on ONE verse in Revelations and the number of fallen angels....it's the LEADING thought on atonement for the last 1,000 years. It's also very EASY to interpret that verse along the lines of things that have already happened with the Kingdom of Nero. So it doesn't make any sense. And yet whole lines of thought that completely shape a religion can come out of things like this. Then it gets filtered down to Christians that don't even KNOW where this line of thought comes from. It's just taught to them. They don't realize some guy made it up a thousand years ago based on ONE line in the Bible.

It's not hard to see why I personally don't think a lot of Christians are very deep in their knowledge of what they believe.

[ironeagle]

"One" refers to God reference to himself when he spoke to Mosses. Mosses was left to understand this message that there is only one God. The prophecy has not been fulfilled because the Rapture hasn't come yet. On that day if you are alive you will surely know it. God will rule on earth out of heaven , not Jesus.

[Vee]

Quote by: Rog Well, I am sure you know that Christians do not think Jews and Catholics are going to heaven right? so explaining the Torah is not going to matter.

That's a weird statement since Catholics are Christians.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: thrashee Hey, wait a second here, Catholics are Christians. (Odd, as a recovering Catholic myself, I still feel the need to defend it ). The idea of the Trinity is perhaps the most misunderstood and overcomplicated concept in the faith.

A lot of it is easy to get if you believe it. It's anything is possible when it's godly. Should godly be with a cap?