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triad · Jul 23, 2008, 04:14 am

To be alive is to be a coincidence. From the 1 in millions of sperm that swam to the egg to become YOU, to the fact that you escaped the odds of being the victim of a miscarraige...

All a coincidence. My latest revelation is that our ultimate question has been in front of us.

Us.

We are a living example of life - self-aware life. However we try to answer the reason or the product of our existence. Well it is simple - a coincidence.

Something has happened that has brought you to this random web page and to this particular thread to read my thoughts translated into words.

A coincidence.

Car accidents could be avoided if a one second difference took place at one point in the events leading up to the accident.

A coincidence.

The fact that this universe exists may be as simple as a coincidence. Have we over-analyzed and ignored the most basic concept? I think so...

Does it matter?? Not anymore... too many people have locked into their own ideas of how everything came to be to abandon it or change their perspective.

It is too bad really...

What do you think? Have we made things more complicated with religion and the like?

**Jack** · Jul 23, 2008, 09:51 am

As it stands right now, we have no evidence of life anywhere in the cosmos than on this one planet. It could be that the factors that caused life to emerge are so numerous and unique to Earth that life is truly a coincidence, a one time occurrence. Instead of thinking of life as the ultimate expression of the universe, perhaps we ought to think of life as an accident.

Dadoo · Jul 23, 2008, 02:44 pm

A coincidence isn't always an accident.
2 things occurred and crossed paths, creating a third phenomena which encompasses the prior 2. It is still one thing, and a totality of it's own.
An accident occurs, by design, without premeditation.
Inevitability, however, could point us toward a repetitive design, bilineated and fractalizing, repeating at all levels, rather than relying upon an interested and intelligent designer. Our universe must be influenced by fundamental forces which dictate design. If one were to comprehend these forces at the outset, Life itself could be predicted.
Life is a coincidental accident, inevitably produced by a grand, inherent design.

**Jack** · Jul 23, 2008, 03:59 pm

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Our universe must be influenced by fundamental forces which dictate design.

What's the basis for that perception?

Dadoo · Jul 23, 2008, 04:32 pm

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Quote by: Jack

What's the basis for that perception?

I am keenly aware of patterns. I note the spiral nature of shells, galaxies, hurricanes, D.N.A., ad infitum. I believe this "design" is the interstices formed at the co-incidental axis of intersection of 2 forces.
When any two forces collide, the resultant vector is a spiraling. It is the 3 dimensional view of the 2 dimensional exercise in the graphing of vector mechanics.
For instance, a laterally traveling force collides with another vertically traveling force (vice-versa) - a spiralling is formed.
We reduce this to the obvious by explaining in mathematical and scientific terminology which makes perfect sense and is graspable.
Yet we seek out the basis for basis, the cause of causes, which is a pattern or design; the very one which we are inexplicably slaves to and observers of!
I resort to an assumption of sorts, and recognize an influence, which must be primordial to be so pervasive. I do not believe in it's sentience nor it's 'intelligence'; I see a beautiful accident, a concurrent spiraling up and out; dictated by inevitablity and elucidated in the repetitive, artificed designs of nature itself.
I truly hope you understand my basis, as fallible as it is. Please tell me your perspective.

Morality Games · Jul 23, 2008, 06:09 pm

'Accidental' and even 'coincidental' imply intention.

treme · Jul 25, 2008, 05:06 am

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Quote by: Dadoo

I am keenly aware of patterns. I note the spiral nature of shells, galaxies, hurricanes, D.N.A., ad infitum. I believe this "design" is the interstices formed at the co-incidental axis of intersection of 2 forces.
When any two forces collide, the resultant vector is a spiraling. It is the 3 dimensional view of the 2 dimensional exercise in the graphing of vector mechanics.
For instance, a laterally traveling force collides with another vertically traveling force (vice-versa) - a spiralling is formed.
We reduce this to the obvious by explaining in mathematical and scientific terminology which makes perfect sense and is graspable.
Yet we seek out the basis for basis, the cause of causes, which is a pattern or design; the very one which we are inexplicably slaves to and observers of!
I resort to an assumption of sorts, and recognize an influence, which must be primordial to be so pervasive. I do not believe in it's sentience nor it's 'intelligence'; I see a beautiful accident, a concurrent spiraling up and out; dictated by inevitablity and elucidated in the repetitive, artificed designs of nature itself.
I truly hope you understand my basis, as fallible as it is. Please tell me your perspective.

Bravo...

Well said...

Many many people see things the way we do. Maynard surely does...

===
I embrace my desire to
Feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow
To feel inspired to fathom the power, to witness the beauty,
To bathe in the fountain,
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.
===

Dadoo · Jul 25, 2008, 05:07 pm

Beautiful, and thank you.
Yes, in the end, explanations can complicate a simple observation or thought. Religions are generally reliant upon concrete dogma, which provides some perceived credibilty yet may crumble in the hard times, as the world demands a flexible philosophical foundation in order to remain in emotional and physical health.
We are the cat in the box. We are looking for the horse we're riding. Enjoy the chase.

Father, pater, pattern
mother, mater, matter,
You are both apparent
-upon the spiral ladder

Jack_Sparrow · Jul 25, 2008, 06:54 pm

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Quote by: Jack

As it stands right now, we have no evidence of life anywhere in the cosmos than on this one planet. It could be that the factors that caused life to emerge are so numerous and unique to Earth that life is truly a coincidence, a one time occurrence. Instead of thinking of life as the ultimate expression of the universe, perhaps we ought to think of life as an accident.

Would that require faith?

Jul 23, 2008, 04:14 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
triad automatic Posts: 461	Infinite Possibilities To be alive is to be a coincidence. From the 1 in millions of sperm that swam to the egg to become YOU, to the fact that you escaped the odds of being the victim of a miscarraige... All a coincidence. My latest revelation is that our ultimate question has been in front of us. Us. We are a living example of life - self-aware life. However we try to answer the reason or the product of our existence. Well it is simple - a coincidence. Something has happened that has brought you to this random web page and to this particular thread to read my thoughts translated into words. A coincidence. Car accidents could be avoided if a one second difference took place at one point in the events leading up to the accident. A coincidence. The fact that this universe exists may be as simple as a coincidence. Have we over-analyzed and ignored the most basic concept? I think so... Does it matter?? Not anymore... too many people have locked into their own ideas of how everything came to be to abandon it or change their perspective. It is too bad really... What do you think? Have we made things more complicated with religion and the like? This is my signature.

Jul 23, 2008, 09:51 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,762	As it stands right now, we have no evidence of life anywhere in the cosmos than on this one planet. It could be that the factors that caused life to emerge are so numerous and unique to Earth that life is truly a coincidence, a one time occurrence. Instead of thinking of life as the ultimate expression of the universe, perhaps we ought to think of life as an accident. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 23, 2008, 02:44 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Dadoo Pure Energy Posts: 384	A coincidence isn't always an accident. 2 things occurred and crossed paths, creating a third phenomena which encompasses the prior 2. It is still one thing, and a totality of it's own. An accident occurs, by design, without premeditation. Inevitability, however, could point us toward a repetitive design, bilineated and fractalizing, repeating at all levels, rather than relying upon an interested and intelligent designer. Our universe must be influenced by fundamental forces which dictate design. If one were to comprehend these forces at the outset, Life itself could be predicted. Life is a coincidental accident, inevitably produced by a grand, inherent design. Heartbeat, the only song you will not hear until it's gone.

Jul 23, 2008, 06:09 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Morality Games Hot Lava Location: Iowa Posts: 946	'Accidental' and even 'coincidental' imply intention. A moral being is an entity for whom the disadvantage of others is an issue. – K.H.Y.

Jul 25, 2008, 05:07 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Dadoo Pure Energy Posts: 384	Beautiful, and thank you. Yes, in the end, explanations can complicate a simple observation or thought. Religions are generally reliant upon concrete dogma, which provides some perceived credibilty yet may crumble in the hard times, as the world demands a flexible philosophical foundation in order to remain in emotional and physical health. We are the cat in the box. We are looking for the horse we're riding. Enjoy the chase. Father, pater, pattern mother, mater, matter, You are both apparent -upon the spiral ladder Heartbeat, the only song you will not hear until it's gone.