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Sylviane88 · Jul 19, 2008, 05:05 pm

Hi everyone

What do you know about Islam ?

The lexical meaning of Islam is submission, and adherence to the commands of Allah without objection. This is the true essence of Islam. By obeying Allah and observing His commands, the Muslim would be in harmony with the universe in which he lives, for everything in this universe abides by the commands of Allah.
It is an established fact that everything in this universe follows certain rule, and an unalterable law to which it submits; the sun, the moon, the stars, the night, the day, the land, the trees, and the beasts; all submit to a rule which Allah, the Creator, has designated for all these things. Even man himself, when you consider his physical construction, and biological compounds, his need for water and nutrition, heat, air, light, rest, or sleep you would find him submitting to a law under which he has no choice, just like other creatures.
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WHAT IS LIFE?

Man's existence in this world and the creation of this entire universe are not mere accidents or products of a fortuitous nature. This universe, every single atom of it, manifests and leads us to the realization of a Loving, Merciful and All-powerful Creator. Without a Creator, nothing can exist. Every single soul knows that he is existing and that his existence is dependent upon a Creator he knows for sure that he cannot create him self. Therefore it is his duty to know his master, the Creator.

MANKIND

Man is a unique creature. God establishes man as His representative or deputy to govern over all other creatures in this world. He is endowed with the faculty of REASON, which sets him apart from all other animals. Together with this faculty to discriminate and discern, man is given the freedom (free-will) to choose for himself a way of life worthy of his position as God's representative or to fall lower than the lowest of all animals or creations. Man is born pure and sinless and is given the choice to do righteous deeds or indulge in sins.

REVELATIONS

From the beginning of mankind, our Creator sent prophets to convey His REVELATION and to invite human beings to the path of true PEACE and OBEDIENCE to the ONE TRUE GOD.

This is ISLAM. This message is conveyed towards successive generations of man through the different prophets, all inviting mankind to the same path. However all the earlier messages or revelations from God were distorted by people of later generations.

As a result, pure Revelation from our Creator was adulterated and polluted with myths, superstitions, idol worship and irrational philosophical ideologies. The religion of God in a sense was lost in a plethora of religions. Human history is a testament of man's drift between light and darkness, but God out of His Abundant Love for mankind has not forsaken us. Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all His prophets, like Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, David, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Them). But the message that was revealed to prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form.

Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

What does 'Islam' mean? Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people; Islam is both a religion and the complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness. The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God. 'Mohammadanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad (peace be upon him) rather than God. 'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike.

Islam is not Just for Arabs. The Truth of Islam is meant for all people regardless of race, nationality or linguistic background. Taking a look at the Muslim World, from Nigeria to Bosnia and from Malaysia to Afghanistan is enough to prove that Islam is a Universal message for all of mankind --- not to mention the fact that significant numbers of Europeans and Americans of all races and ethnic backgrounds are coming into Islam

SoylentGreen · Jul 19, 2008, 05:17 pm

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Sylviane88what do you know about Islam ?

That like all ancient religions , it is an attempt to understand life the universe and everything.
Now that we have a better understanding of how these "unalterable laws" work, we no longer require the service of a mythical being to explain them.
Islam like christianity are a superstition of the past. Let them go , they are no longer needed.

Sylviane88 · Jul 19, 2008, 05:23 pm

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That like all ancient religions , it is an attempt to understand life the universe and everything.
Now that we have a better understanding of how these "unalterable laws" work, we no longer require the service of a mythical being to explain them.
Islam like christianity are a superstition of the past. Let them go , they are no longer needed.

What are you saying, bro !!!!! Islam is not a constitution or a law made by human !!! it is the eternal religion approved by GOD.

**Jack** · Jul 19, 2008, 05:25 pm

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Without a Creator, nothing can exist.

And yet what does exist exists despite no credible evidence of a creator. So I'd have to disagree with that opinion. As to Islam itself, I concur with SoylentGreen.

Islam Christianity, every supernatural religion is man-made. There's no reason to suspect it's anything more than the imaginings of humans.

Thanatos · Jul 19, 2008, 05:26 pm

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What are you saying, bro !!!!! Islam is not a constitution or a law made by human !!! it is the eternal religion approved by GOD.

Boy, you're in for a major surprise. This is a debate forum. Did you honestly think we'd all be instantly converted?

shawmutt · Jul 19, 2008, 05:31 pm

Thanks...I think...for the wikipedia article on Islam. Now, what is the premise you wish to debate?

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it is the eternal religion approved by GOD.

OK, I guess I'll start here. What are you basing your faith on? If you were in a room with a Christian and a Jew, each as faithful in their belief as you were, I don't believe you would be able to convince them that they were wrong while you were right. After all, they would all have the same experiences and holy books to fall back on. They all have experienced revelations from God dealing with their own "eternal religions."

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But the message that was revealed to prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form.

That's always one thing I never understood. Each religion has the final word on revelation. Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormans, etc. all base their faith on a final prophet that, in a way, gave the final stamp of approval for printing their holy book--"Here's What God Is". Perhaps God is ineffable and humans should not try to iron down a concept to their own liking.

SoylentGreen · Jul 19, 2008, 05:32 pm

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What are you saying, bro !!!!! Islam is not a constitution or a law made by human !!! it is the eternal religion approved by GOD.

If that is what you want to believe then go for it. Why should I?

Matt · Jul 19, 2008, 06:28 pm

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What are you saying, bro !!!!! Islam is not a constitution or a law made by human !!! it is the eternal religion approved by GOD.

Muhammad heard something from a angel named 'Gabriel', and just like that a new religion was formed. He could have been delirious or simply he had wishful thinking. Or he could have been a smart man and made it all up to gain fame and wealth. Who knows. All I know is Islam does not have enough substance in it to make me think other then its another religion that was just made up.

stardust · Jul 20, 2008, 03:00 am

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That like all ancient religions , it is an attempt to understand life the universe and everything.
Now that we have a better understanding of how these "unalterable laws" work, we no longer require the service of a mythical being to explain them.
Islam like christianity are a superstition of the past. Let them go , they are no longer needed.

superstition? Not all religions are superstitious. You should check that. Infact, how can a religion be superstitious?

Let them go? =/

SoylentGreen · Jul 20, 2008, 03:25 am

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superstition? Not all religions are superstitious. You should check that. Infact, how can a religion be superstitious?

Let them go? =/

Name one that isn't then. Religion is just an organised superstition

stardust · Jul 20, 2008, 03:26 am

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Muhammad heard something from a angel named 'Gabriel', and just like that a new religion was formed. He could have been delirious or simply he had wishful thinking. Or he could have been a smart man and made it all up to gain fame and wealth. Who knows. All I know is Islam does not have enough substance in it to make me think other then its another religion that was just made up.

Hm, lets see.
He couldn't have made it all up, because he was unlettered. Are you then saying that an unducated person wrote a book and then claimed it to be sacred and people believed it? Dosen't sounds reasonable. There is actually a verse in the Quran which challenges all to produce a like of it.

stardust · Jul 20, 2008, 03:31 am

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Name one that isn't then. Religion is just an organised superstition

Word web defination of superstition:

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An irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear

Religion dosen't arises from fear or ignorance, neither is religion irrational. except well..some..exceptions.

Jinei · Jul 20, 2008, 08:32 am

Wouldn't you say that religion arises from fear of death and ignorance of the after-life (provided there is one)? It establishes a comfort zone in which people know what to expect when they die.

Sylviane88 · Jul 20, 2008, 08:33 am

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If that is what you want to believe then go for it. Why should I?

Because there are logical proofs which show that Islam is the truth !

**Jack** · Jul 20, 2008, 10:26 am

Let's see those logical proofs.

Rogue Cardinal · Jul 20, 2008, 01:20 pm

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Because there are logical proofs which show that Islam is the truth !

I can't wait to see this.

Matt · Jul 20, 2008, 01:37 pm

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Hm, lets see.
He couldn't have made it all up, because he was unlettered. Are you then saying that an unducated person wrote a book and then claimed it to be sacred and people believed it? Dosen't sounds reasonable. There is actually a verse in the Quran which challenges all to produce a like of it.

Just because he was unlettered doesn't mean he didn't make it all up. He could have simply convinced some people who could write to write up the book, with his guidance. Just because he was unlettered doesn't mean he can't make up things in his brain

People (especially back then) are always looking for something which will let them have an afterlife and live on forever. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Islam have an afterlife for enternity? People were much more gullible back then, and could have easily been convinced by another person, especially if that religion promised them enternal life if they followed it.

Produce a like of it? Meaning? There are other holy books you know.

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I can't wait to see this.

Me too.

lsbskins1 · Jul 20, 2008, 02:11 pm

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Because there are logical proofs which show that Islam is the truth !

Throw 'em at me!

SoylentGreen · Jul 20, 2008, 02:17 pm

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stardustReligion dosen't arises from fear or ignorance, neither is religion irrational. except well..some..exceptions.

Religion is when you take the fear and ignorance and organise it in to a power system. Islam did a wonderful job of that. So did christianity .

Theism is based on the ability to believe. So far theists have shown an incredible amount of belief but absolutely no amount of rationality in that belief.

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Sylviane88
Because there are logical proofs which show that Islam is the truth !

No, there was only the sharpness of a sword and the fanatical strength to kill the infidels in the name of alah.

Sylviane88 · Jul 20, 2008, 03:33 pm

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No, there was only the sharpness of a sword and the fanatical strength to kill the infidels in the name of alah.

No .. you're wrong ! .. take this link:

was islam spread by sword?

we'll put some proofs .. but let's begin by this:

The victory of the romans and the lowest point on the earth

Jul 19, 2008, 05:05 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Sylviane88 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 8	What is Islam? - a brief investigation Hi everyone What do you know about Islam ? The lexical meaning of Islam is submission, and adherence to the commands of Allah without objection. This is the true essence of Islam. By obeying Allah and observing His commands, the Muslim would be in harmony with the universe in which he lives, for everything in this universe abides by the commands of Allah. It is an established fact that everything in this universe follows certain rule, and an unalterable law to which it submits; the sun, the moon, the stars, the night, the day, the land, the trees, and the beasts; all submit to a rule which Allah, the Creator, has designated for all these things. Even man himself, when you consider his physical construction, and biological compounds, his need for water and nutrition, heat, air, light, rest, or sleep you would find him submitting to a law under which he has no choice, just like other creatures. . WHAT IS LIFE? Man's existence in this world and the creation of this entire universe are not mere accidents or products of a fortuitous nature. This universe, every single atom of it, manifests and leads us to the realization of a Loving, Merciful and All-powerful Creator. Without a Creator, nothing can exist. Every single soul knows that he is existing and that his existence is dependent upon a Creator he knows for sure that he cannot create him self. Therefore it is his duty to know his master, the Creator. MANKIND Man is a unique creature. God establishes man as His representative or deputy to govern over all other creatures in this world. He is endowed with the faculty of REASON, which sets him apart from all other animals. Together with this faculty to discriminate and discern, man is given the freedom (free-will) to choose for himself a way of life worthy of his position as God's representative or to fall lower than the lowest of all animals or creations. Man is born pure and sinless and is given the choice to do righteous deeds or indulge in sins. REVELATIONS From the beginning of mankind, our Creator sent prophets to convey His REVELATION and to invite human beings to the path of true PEACE and OBEDIENCE to the ONE TRUE GOD. This is ISLAM. This message is conveyed towards successive generations of man through the different prophets, all inviting mankind to the same path. However all the earlier messages or revelations from God were distorted by people of later generations. As a result, pure Revelation from our Creator was adulterated and polluted with myths, superstitions, idol worship and irrational philosophical ideologies. The religion of God in a sense was lost in a plethora of religions. Human history is a testament of man's drift between light and darkness, but God out of His Abundant Love for mankind has not forsaken us. Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all His prophets, like Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, David, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Them). But the message that was revealed to prophet Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form. Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)." What does 'Islam' mean? Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people; Islam is both a religion and the complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness. The Arabic word 'Islam' simply means 'submission', and derives from a word meaning 'peace'. In a religious context it means complete submission to the will of God. 'Mohammadanism' is thus a misnomer because it suggests that Muslims worship Muhammad (peace be upon him) rather than God. 'Allah' is the Arabic name for God, which is used by Arab Muslims and Christians alike. Islam is not Just for Arabs. The Truth of Islam is meant for all people regardless of race, nationality or linguistic background. Taking a look at the Muslim World, from Nigeria to Bosnia and from Malaysia to Afghanistan is enough to prove that Islam is a Universal message for all of mankind --- not to mention the fact that significant numbers of Europeans and Americans of all races and ethnic backgrounds are coming into Islam

Jul 20, 2008, 08:32 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Jinei Scientisticianist Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 390	Wouldn't you say that religion arises from fear of death and ignorance of the after-life (provided there is one)? It establishes a comfort zone in which people know what to expect when they die. vi veri veniversum vivus vici

Jul 20, 2008, 10:26 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,371	Let's see those logical proofs. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)