Is God really Supernatural?

[Technosoul]

When we speak of the Supernatural we normally mean anything that has control over stuff that we cannot have control over.

For example; The weather.

Humans could not control the weather which is important to farmers.

And yet they were somewhat aware that the weather is being controlled by something, it snows in the winter and rains in the springtime, patterns could be observed. What humans cannot do must be supernatural.

We knew that things were being controlled but not by us, and so we thought, what is not natural for us must be supernatural.

In the old days people could not control the weather, how many children you could have, or what kind of diseases you would suffer from, etc.

But now things are changing, we are gaining more control.

Take for example Global Warming which science has pointed out is caused by human activities, resulting in more powerful floods, hurricanes, wind storms, etc. Suddenly what was once thought to be directed by supernatural forces is being directed by human activities.

Is Global Warming a sign that humans have become Supernatural?

Now we are learning about genetics, stem cells, how to control reproduction of our speices. We can make something totally new to the universe - plastic. We are learning how to gain control over diseases and a number of things that were once thought to be caused by, and healed by, supernatural forces.

As our technology and knowlege progresses we gain more and more control over our environments and our own body. Less need to pray to the supernatual powers that control the natural because we are learning to control natural things our self.

Through nuclear radeaton technology we can create new chemicals that never - ever - exsisted in the universe up until now. We have become the Creationists.

Perhaps the deities are not anymore supernatual then we are (and are becoming)? It is just they that they were smarter before we got smarter?

Is being really intelligent the same as being supernatural?

But wait, Global Warming was a stupid thing for us to create, we had a negative controlling influence on the weather. None the less, we can no longer claim that the weather is only controlled by supernatual forces or the "spirits" in nature or the God (s) in heaven.

Therefore if we want to name the forces of nature, be they creative or controlling, as God, then we can no longer say that God is supernatural.
No more then we can say that our own abilities or actions are supernatural ones.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I always saw supernatural as meaning beyond the bounds of nature and science, not necessarily controlling, but that's just me

[HelioPrime]

I think I agree with G_M if I'm reading him correctly. the super in supernatural just goes to show it's outside the realm of understood science, not exactly in power over the normal realm.

Like a ghost would be a supernatural experience. The ghost doesn't have to be able to effect you, it's just beyond science.

[rez]

Its beyond reasoning and interpretation.

No matter how many reasons a human being can come up with they will always be wrong. There are no mechanisms to observe or learn from.

Since there is nothing to learn from its like it doesn't exist in the first place!

[Jack]

Supernatural is akin to metaphysics. I'm in agreement with those who say supernatural is anything beyond the realm of nature as we understand it. The weather is a natural phenomena. Gods, even the deist's god, are supernatural.

[linda_mary_13]

I wish you techy gods would come up with a different term than "global warming". Ever since man claimed responsibility for the weather, each summer has been colder than usual and the winters worse. July 4th is in a week and I barely am able to wear shorts. Too cool.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Technosoul Is God really Supernatural ?

No.

[Gods_Mercenary]

So he is within the realm of science and nature, rather than spirituality?

[Jinei]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary So he is within the realm of science and nature, rather than spirituality?

No.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Talking to rainbow, but I agree with your answer.

[Jinei]

God is supposed to thee figure of faith. You're supposed to believe in Him with blind faith, not with hard evidence. By definition, God is a supernatural entity with absolutely no evidence for His existence. Whenever someone tries to justiy God's natural existence (and fails), "Oh yee of little faith" comes to mind. The irony of any attempt to rationalize a natural deity is striking.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary So he is within the realm of science and nature, rather than spirituality?

An Intellectual Entity, just like you and/or me, with a slightly different (cap)abilities.

You think you have seen everything ?
We have no clue on (at least) 95% events in the Universe.
There are billions of Galaxies, with billions of solar systems within them.
Think about it, and what we really know about Science.

Since nothing can emerge from anything, that means that Science - made by Homo Sapiens is a joke. Yet, some guys get excited about alleged advances Mankind has made. That is a joke, too. There are millions (if not billions) years ahead of us, till we start making something sensible out of the Universe - we reside within.
What does it mean ?
There is enourmous number of discoveries and/or laws and/or notions, etc. that Homo Sapiens is not familiar with, completely. It remainds me of "scientific" debates 500-5000 years ago, circa. Those guys were "smart", as we are today, respectively.
1000 years from now, guys are going to laugh at us, as we laugh at those 500 years ago, as well.

Try to comprehend a simple fact (based on all the scientific information, available today)
- nothing emerges out of anything
What does it mean ?
None of us is correct.

What Technosoul tries to say is, that God (read : Intellectual Entity) does not need to be taken as something with "supernatural" (cap)abilities, necessarily. Such image of God was created by Church.
Is that true image ?
That is a part what Parents and/or Guardians should deal with, in time of process of upbringing a child. Since Parents and/or Guardians seem to be occupied be variety of factors around, a child is left on its own and/or under heavy influence of communities.
Today, we have the results. Search Volcanvo's "Philosophy and Religion" forum, and you find appx 90% of threads as completely absurdal ones.
Stereotypical slogans, populistic statements, claptrap unlimited, etc.

Example :
I am praying and God is not helping me, despite I am a disabled person ?
That is a state of imbecility, even to come up with such subject.

[wyoguy]

For a complete listing of how mankind has not been advanced through technology....

....please press 3.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary I always saw supernatural as meaning beyond the bounds of nature and science, not necessarily controlling, but that's just me

Then what is it doing out there? If it is not effecting life on earth, if it is just another dimension we know nothing about, then we would not need a name for it.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: HelioPrime I think I agree with G_M if I'm reading him correctly. the super in supernatural just goes to show it's outside the realm of understood science, not exactly in power over the normal realm. Like a ghost would be a supernatural experience. The ghost doesn't have to be able to effect you, it's just beyond science.

Nothing supernatual about an illusion as far as I know. However if a paranormal event ocured it would would have phychological effect. And if people did not think they saw a ghost then we would not have a name for ghosts nor could we think they are supernatural.

Is an unproven myth supernatural?

None the less, the imagination has a much more controlling effect then we give it credit for. But thoughts are still thoughts.

[Jack]

then we would not need a name for it.

We actually don't. It can't be shown to exist, so we can't examine it, measure it, comprehend it or name it. The word we use to describe it, "supernatural", is a adaptation of the root word "natural". That concept is only defined in its relationship to the natural. There's natural and then there's everything that isn't natural. One member of the latter group is the "supernatural".

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Jack Supernatural is akin to metaphysics. I'm in agreement with those who say supernatural is anything beyond the realm of nature as we understand it. The weather is a natural phenomena. Gods, even the deist's god, are supernatural.

And in that discription what do these Gods do, what would a deist God/Goddess do? You would not be very super if you did nothing.

Do they ever control the weather? Noah's flood come to my mind.

Do they ever use natural things as a way to communicate with people.

Do they ever use natural things to create something a little different?

If so, has not mankind done the same sort of things, and we are not supernatural.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: linda_mary_13 I wish you techy gods would come up with a different term than "global warming". Ever since man claimed responsibility for the weather, each summer has been colder than usual and the winters worse. July 4th is in a week and I barely am able to wear shorts. Too cool.

That was perhaps a poor title.

Perhaps if you wore some short shorts things would warm up faster (ha ha ha.... could not pass up a good joke)

Anyway it was not the techno gods that invented the title, perhaps it was some concerned scientists. Anyway I do not wish to segway into talking about what global warming is.

the polar bears would not agree with you, by the way.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary So he is within the realm of science and nature, rather than spirituality?

Science is an occupation, I guess nature can be scientifically proven to be a fact. Nature is nature and is within the natural. Spirit/spirituality would be within the realms of consciousness or the emoitons, and as an aspect of imagination.

Concentration and imaginaton can consitute as an factor in creations.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Jinei God is supposed to thee figure of faith. You're supposed to believe in Him with blind faith, not with hard evidence. By definition, God is a supernatural entity with absolutely no evidence for His existence. Whenever someone tries to justiy God's natural existence (and fails), "Oh yee of little faith" comes to mind. The irony of any attempt to rationalize a natural deity is striking.

Assuming the lake is not frozen then walking on water would be a supernatural activity. But you cannot generate enough faith to do that, now can you.

Believe as hard as you wish, gravity will have it's way if you try to walk on water.

Put on blindfolds and you will still sink into the water and would have to swim back out.

In spite of that evidence which would disprove the notions of faith or belief we can still say that it is supernatural for the VERY REASON that it is outside the limits of proof.

Fine. But such is not really the case. Because belief is composed of thoughts, as is faith. Thoughts that are within the realm of the mind, and within conscousness. Thinking is a natural thing for the mind to do, thinking up explainations is a natural part of our mental activities, is it not? So what ever thoughts you might entertain would be aspects of the natural world and there a part of nature. An Idea is not something supernatual.