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orion28 · May 16, 2008, 12:43 am

I am researching Jung, and I read an essay called the basic postulates of analytical psychology in it, he said:

The fact that a metaphysics of the mind was supplanted in the nineteenth century by a metaphysics of matter, is a mere trick if we consider it as a question for the intellect

does this mean its a trick of the intellect on the part of materialist who use materialistic rationale to justify their world view, and not take into account the spiritual?

Milton Bradley · May 16, 2008, 02:02 am

No, I think it;s saying that there are physical reasons for "abnormal behavior". As in chemicals secreted by the brain.

orion28 · May 16, 2008, 02:12 am

I'm not sure that definition fits. Maybe to put it in more perspective I'll add more to it:

The fact that a physics of the mind was supplanted in the nineteenth century by a physics of matter, is a mere trick if we consider it as a question for the intellect; yet regarded from the standpoint of psychology, it is an unexampled revolution in man's outlook upon the world. Other-worldliness is converted into matter-of-factness; empirical boundaries are set to man's discussion of every problem, to his choice of purposes, and even to what he calls “meaning”. Intangible, inner happenings seem to have to yield place to things in the external, tangible world, and no value exists if it is not founded on a so-called fact. At least, this is how it appears to the simple mind.

The Basic Postulates of Analytical Psychology Chapter IX of Modern Man in Search of a Soul Carl Jung (1933) - Athenaeum Library of Philosophy

It sounds like he was discounting a metaphysics based on matter alone. I was just wondering if anyone reaches this same conclusion.

orion28 · May 16, 2008, 02:17 am

In the original essay it says metaphysics and not physics.

Piscean · May 16, 2008, 03:03 am

Modern world view, atleast in this part of the world is getting very narrow and limited. People now choose to not believe in anything science hasn't proven. Therefore they are choosing to not believe in most of what exists. Atleast every year they get to believe in alittle more as science gets around to measuring, discovering, etc.

**Jack** · May 16, 2008, 11:23 am

Quote:

People now choose to not believe in anything science hasn't proven.

Science doesn't prove, it explains. Everyone believes in a lot of things science has yet to explain. Some of us just don't make an unreasonable leap to presume the gods explain what science cannot yet.
And none of this has to do with the topic, to which we shall now return.

orion28 · May 16, 2008, 01:21 pm

So I was thinking when seen as of an activity of the intellect its a mere trick, the question of metaphysics as it related to the mind or matter, but has a broader impact on psychology. Does my interpretation make any sense?

May 16, 2008, 12:43 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
orion28 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	the basic postulates of analytical psychology I am researching Jung, and I read an essay called the basic postulates of analytical psychology in it, he said: The fact that a metaphysics of the mind was supplanted in the nineteenth century by a metaphysics of matter, is a mere trick if we consider it as a question for the intellect does this mean its a trick of the intellect on the part of materialist who use materialistic rationale to justify their world view, and not take into account the spiritual?

May 16, 2008, 02:02 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	No, I think it;s saying that there are physical reasons for "abnormal behavior". As in chemicals secreted by the brain.

May 16, 2008, 02:12 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
orion28 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	I'm not sure that definition fits. Maybe to put it in more perspective I'll add more to it: The fact that a physics of the mind was supplanted in the nineteenth century by a physics of matter, is a mere trick if we consider it as a question for the intellect; yet regarded from the standpoint of psychology, it is an unexampled revolution in man's outlook upon the world. Other-worldliness is converted into matter-of-factness; empirical boundaries are set to man's discussion of every problem, to his choice of purposes, and even to what he calls “meaning”. Intangible, inner happenings seem to have to yield place to things in the external, tangible world, and no value exists if it is not founded on a so-called fact. At least, this is how it appears to the simple mind. The Basic Postulates of Analytical Psychology Chapter IX of Modern Man in Search of a Soul Carl Jung (1933) - Athenaeum Library of Philosophy It sounds like he was discounting a metaphysics based on matter alone. I was just wondering if anyone reaches this same conclusion.

May 16, 2008, 02:17 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
orion28 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	In the original essay it says metaphysics and not physics.

May 16, 2008, 03:03 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Piscean Igneous Magma Posts: 279	Modern world view, atleast in this part of the world is getting very narrow and limited. People now choose to not believe in anything science hasn't proven. Therefore they are choosing to not believe in most of what exists. Atleast every year they get to believe in alittle more as science gets around to measuring, discovering, etc.

May 16, 2008, 01:21 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
orion28 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	So I was thinking when seen as of an activity of the intellect its a mere trick, the question of metaphysics as it related to the mind or matter, but has a broader impact on psychology. Does my interpretation make any sense?