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[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Matt W Err, no, Mohammed was about 600 AD. Islamic countries and Caliphates were substantially more advanced than Europe until about 1600.

Then to be more exact the religion of Mohamed destroyed the middle Easts position of science and good Law of justice and kindness. While they sank back into the dark age European religion lessened it's strangle hold and science law and justice became more important.

[Jack]

I think the debate is turned into mockery. I think now it is useless to continue. You are taking the very selly thing and leaving the very important one. If you have "nothing" to do here please dont do it here

So if we debate your words and opinions it's a mockery? I don't follow that line of thinking. You've made statements that were challenged. That's part of debate. You can defend your statements, withdraw them or retire from the debate. But asking us not to debate because the questions are uncomfortable is pointless. You opened this can of worms, now we intend to inspect it.

[smartcode]

Quote by: SoylentGreen True and then mohamed appeared and destroyed all that. Now middle eastern countries are backwards and superstitious like Europe in the dark ages.

This is the life, when we left our religion away you defeated us. Anyway the new evolving of Islam is coming snice people now realised that no success without Islam.
The western civilization which is built without morality will not stay forever. The foam of the river (westen highness) will vanish but the good water (God law) will stay on earth to benifit people. The light of God will stay although the devils tries to turn it off. 1400 years people trying to defeat Islam but useless

[Matt W]

Once more...answer the question. Do you want to debate, or preach?

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: smartcode The western civilization which is built without morality will not stay forever.

It is built without your morality , not just without morality.

Anyway the new evolving of Islam is coming snice people now realised that no success without Islam.

So what exactly is the difference between you and christians then. You both are saying the same thing there.

The light of God will stay although the devils tries to turn it off. 1400 years people trying to defeat Islam but useless

Same with christianity. Pity though that your religion forbids intellectual discussion on the nature of god by the layman. As long as ignorance continues so will islam.

[smartcode]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Then to be more exact the religion of Mohamed destroyed the middle Easts position of science and good Law of justice and kindness. While they sank back into the dark age European religion lessened it's strangle hold and science law and justice became more important.

I think you understand the issue upside down.
What I said is that Islam who came during the dark ages of Europe is the reason of the highness of Muslims at that time. At that time Islam was ordering people to wash fife times a day while the church says The one who wash is getting sin

When we left Islam behind us astonishing with the European recent civilization then we became backward.

I hope you can understand

[Jack]

The western civilization which is built without morality will not stay forever.

I'm sure there are Muslims content to wait for the Western world to collapse under the weight of its immorality. That's fine, no one cares much in the West. I'm not defending our morality. Personally I find it too rooted in Christianity and too little based on humanism to suit me. Those moderate Muslims and I are no threat to the West. What is a threat are those Muslims who want to bring down the West immediately through terror and assimilation. Western societies, like most around the world, consider threats of violence as provocation. Between right-wing Christians in the West and Muslim extremists in the Middle East, a religious war between the two will be a self-fulfilling prophecy, during which both sides will claim to have god on their side. It would be comical if it weren't so serious and didn't mean that thousands more will die because two groups can't agree over whose imaginary friend is greater.

When it comes to one religious group beating another over the head with their theology, I'm disgusted with both. If they kept their disagreements among themselves, I wouldn't be concerned. But they don't or can't. And as a result thousands of people on both sides who just want to live their lives in peace will be displaced, terrorized or murdered, all in the name of someone's god. That disgusts me.

[smartcode]

Quote by: SoylentGreen It is built without your morality , not just without morality. So what exactly is the difference between you and christians then. You both are saying the same thing there. Same with christianity. Pity though that your religion forbids intellectual discussion on the nature of god by the layman. As long as ignorance continues so will islam.

There is a big difference between Islam and the modified christianity. Islam is not a religion, It is a way of perfect life. It is not made by preists it is made by God the most knowing.
Chrestianity says Woman should not inherit however Islam give the woman the right to inherit and keep the money for here self. Her husband is ordered to spend on here and his children

[Jack]

Islam is not a religion

Right...and according to some around here Christianity isn't either. Too many people either don't have dictionaries or don't know how to use them. Christianity and Islam both fit the definition of a religion. They also fit the definition of hallucination, wishful thinking and fantasy. Regardless of how members of those groups try to redefine themselves, their belief in fictional superbeings and their determination to make everyone else believe as they do (by employing propaganda, appealing to emotion or threat of violence) marks them as religions to those of us on the outside.

[smartcode]

Quote by: Jack What is a threat are those Muslims who want to bring down the West immediately through terror and assimilation.

Actually muslims are not happy to see the western civilization collaps. The collaps will come from itself. Some muslim whom you call them fanatics, lost there way to protect Muslims but they are very little compared with those who use the wisedom to spread Islam.

However, sometimes the wisdome is useless in the world of the power. then no other choice for us!!!!

[smartcode]

Quote by: Jack Right...and according to some around here Christianity isn't either. Too many people either don't have dictionaries or don't know how to use them. Christianity and Islam both fit the definition of a religion. They also fit the definition of hallucination, wishful thinking and fantasy. Regardless of how members of those groups try to redefine themselves, their belief in fictional superbeings and their determination to make everyone else believe as they do (by employing propaganda, appealing to emotion or threat of violence) marks them as religions to those of us on the outside.

Sorry I would have said "Islam is not a religion only"

[smartcode]

Quote by: Jack But they don't or can't. And as a result thousands of people on both sides who just want to live their lives in peace will be displaced, terrorized or murdered, all in the name of someone's god. That disgusts me..

You are mixing between what you know about the corrupted laws of jewism and christanity and the pure Law of God Islam.

The basic law in Islam is :

Dont do aggression to others. Quraan
Dont attack others who dont attack you. Quraan
God made you (people on earth) tribes and nations to acknowledge each other ( and live with each other) Quraan
Forgiveness is prefered than revenge. Quraan.



In the time of the war : The prophet said:
Dont kill a woman, child, old man,and injured man in the battle
Dont cut a tree or distroy a hermitage
The purpose of the battle is not to kill but to awe to win.( If you can win without killing your enemy then dont kill)

The purpose of creating Adam to live on earth is to build the earth.(Qoraan)
The worest thing in Islam is to destroy the earth whom God created in a beutiful way
As a result murderers are punnished with death penelty to stop others from doing crimes.
As you see no need for you to think this way about Islam. If you think about Islam think about everything good, and I can prove it for you from Quraan.
please leave the suspicious sites that are telling lies away. They are natural phenomena must appear whenever there is a good thing.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Zhavric That's false, but I'll humor you. So, if we can prove he's a real prophet then we can prove his stories are true and it is to those stories that you turned to prove he's real prophet. That's called circular reasoning. It's a type of logical fallacy. Which anyone here can recognize. Except you. Why do you suppse that is?

So, to date, you've ignored the fact that you've used circular reasoning and you've STILL not been able to address the fact that it's Islamic law to MURDER Muslims who become atheists.

I'm sorry, but your religion isn't a religion of peace. It's a religion of forced conformity as evident by how women are treated. It's a religion that won't allow members to think for themselves as is evident by your inability to defend your views in debate. It's a religion that encourages ignorance as evident by your inability to admit fault. It's a religion that punishes the innocent (evidenced by the recent "witchcraft" charge is Saudi Arabia), represses women (walk three steps behind your husband. Or else), and can be used to commit heinous acts like 9/11. It's a religion that dupes it's followers into thinking that they can peacefully strap bombs to themselves, blow up children and women, and make it into heaven as evident by the current state of affairs in Iraq.

Islam is an intellectual and social abomination. A throw back to a barbaric time and perpetuated by people too indoctrinated to understand how terrible their lives are. It's a pernicious cult that intimidated, murdered, and raped it's way into middle eastern culture centuries ago. So long as it exists, mankind will never be able to progress forward into future.

[Matt]

Ok, you have not answered my question. Therefore, I assume a women cannot marry four men (or else you would have answered it). Therefore, your statement that everyone is equal is incorrect, and utterly wrong.

Quote by: smartcode There is a big difference between Islam and the modified christianity. Islam is not a religion, It is a way of perfect life. It is not made by preists it is made by God the most knowing. Chrestianity says Woman should not inherit however Islam give the woman the right to inherit and keep the money for here self. Her husband is ordered to spend on here and his children

Oh give me a break....

I agree, Christianity is sexist, especially in some Churches more then others.

But it is not even as close to as sexist as Islam is. Islam is extremely sexist, for example, do you seeing the men being forced to wear berkas or other similar clothing? No. Do you see alot of female workers? No, you do not. Do you see a family in where the wife and husband are equal? Very rarely.

What about that case that recently happened, a person downloaded an article in some Islamic country that stated women are equal to men. What is gonna happen to that person? Execution.

Quote by: smartcode You are mixing between what you know about the corrupted laws of jewism and christanity and the pure Law of God Islam. The basic law in Islam is : Dont do aggression to others. Quraan Dont attack others who dont attack you. Quraan God made you (people on earth) tribes and nations to acknowledge each other ( and live with each other) Quraan Forgiveness is prefered than revenge. Quraan. In the time of the war : The prophet said: Dont kill a woman, child, old man,and injured man in the battle Dont cut a tree or distroy a hermitage The purpose of the battle is not to kill but to awe to win.( If you can win without killing your enemy then dont kill) The purpose of creating Adam to live on earth is to build the earth.(Qoraan) The worest thing in Islam is to destroy the earth whom God created in a beutiful way As a result murderers are punnished with death penelty to stop others from doing crimes. As you see no need for you to think this way about Islam. If you think about Islam think about everything good, and I can prove it for you from Quraan. please leave the suspicious sites that are telling lies away. They are natural phenomena must appear whenever there is a good thing.

How is Islam a pure law? Look what I said above, how is that pure? How is killing someone because they turned Christian or athiests pure? It is corrupted.

I'll go through two points you listed:

If it says don't do aggression to others, why do the bombings (by Muslims) take place killing many people?

If it says to not attack someone if they have not attacked you, how did that person who just turned Christian attack you?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: smartcode The western civilization which is built without morality will not stay forever. The foam of the river (westen highness) will vanish but the good water (God law) will stay on earth to benifit people. The light of God will stay although the devils tries to turn it off. 1400 years people trying to defeat Islam but useless

#1
Are you suggesting that there are different values for Morality and Ethics in Islamic states, in comparison to non-Islamic ones ?

#2
Try to understand that Sun shines for all the People, regardless of their religious and/or non religious approach.