In case Birth & Death stops, then what????

[Kuldeep]

There have been many threads on various forums about afterlife, soul, death, reincarnation, God, heaven, evolution, creation...and what not !! As I could see, nothing decisive conclusion could be drawn in any of those topic, except leg pulling of each other in some way or the other.

Now for a moment, imagine due to some reason reproduction seizes in all the living beings, meaning no births from now on and also no Deaths would take place as well. How our world community society would start getting affected as result of this unique happening.

I am aware that would never happen practically, but just a thought came to my mind !!! If we all are to live eternally here on this earth, then how we should plan our infinite future to derive maximum happiness from day to day life. One thing is certain, there would be no fear of death in our minds.

Let me hear how others react to such an astonishing happening, if at all it turns to be a reality.

[stardust]

no birth and no death?
mhm, amusing. And that scenario is certainly not impossible, we all would perish one day. and then there would be beings made up of carbon and silicon, hopefully?

[SoylentGreen]

Two things to ask:
One, can I take a flying leap of a tall building and live?
And secondly will all the stuff that goes into making babies still be available.
Please answer one before two as I hate wasting my time.

[Anmon]

good, if I can take back fifteen years as well.

[gela]

If there was no natural death, we would all eventualy kill each other..

Or mabe with age will come wisdom.. and society would stop being so stupid..

I can't decide which would happen.

[grandpa]

Quote by: gela If there was no natural death, we would all eventualy kill each other.. Or mabe with age will come wisdom..

Wisdom is not due to age.

Grandpa h.

[Anmon]

Quote by: grandpa Wisdom is not due to age. Grandpa h.

agreed, experience is what counts the most.

[Chaossaber314]

The answer to the Op is quite simple.

Look at the effects of overpopulation, look at predictions for the future, and then jump those ahead by many many decades.

The no births element does present an interesting question though.

[Maryjane]

I'd save a lot of money on insurance!

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Kuldeep There have been many threads on various forums about afterlife, soul, death, reincarnation, God, heaven, evolution, creation...and what not !! As I could see, nothing decisive conclusion could be drawn in any of those topic, except leg pulling of each other in some way or the other. Now for a moment, imagine due to some reason reproduction seizes in all the living beings, meaning no births from now on and also no Deaths would take place as well. How our world community society would start getting affected as result of this unique happening. I am aware that would never happen practically, but just a thought came to my mind !!! If we all are to live eternally here on this earth, then how we should plan our infinite future to derive maximum happiness from day to day life. One thing is certain, there would be no fear of death in our minds. Let me hear how others react to such an astonishing happening, if at all it turns to be a reality.

That is an interesting thing to speculate on.

For one thing murder would not be possible - right? So war would be pointless. Capital punishment would be impossible. As well as marrage. If disease cannot kill us then that would pretty much solve the so-called expense of health care.

Money might become obsolete because the main motivation for working hard at a job we don't like is because we must eat food. In your world eating would not be done anymore because to eat you must kill something, which is impossible, and starving to death likewise impossible.

And how could you clear land to build new houses and or highways if you cannot kill and distroy trees and so forth. So we would just live in nature with only what leftover man-made stuff that remained form our past exsistance in this life & death situation.

Our cells would not die and regenerate and so children would remain as children and adults would continue as-is also. Perhaps sex would still be possible but it would serve no practical purpose. No fears of having unwanted children. (no more abortion topic to debate).

The main concern would to dealing with possible boredom after the first few hundred years of the same-o same-o. No way out and not exit policy. We would ether have to find ways to enjoy life or suffer eternal depression that cannot be solved by suicide.

Cat napping might become very popular, but not clock watching. We might distroy all clocks because who would care about time anymore?

No more candy, beer, cigarettes, drugs, and so forth, all of which are products of things being killed.

No more need for tolets, no need to inhale air and so parts of our body would become obsolete. Things living underwater could venture onto land and things on land could walk around under water... no problem if you cannot die from suffication.

And so much of what we call living and growth would be no more, not a part of life as it is now. We would stop living life as we now live it.

[Thanatos]

Life would be boring. Can't screw up, can't get it right because it already is right...

We'd sit around and argue about politics all day because there would be nothing better to do.

[gela]

Wisdom is not due to age. Grandpa h.

Oh believe me, I agree.

But increasing the length of life increases the chance of wisdom..

Mabe not.. we will probably all just kill each other

[Kuldeep]

Before, I pick up responses from members I may point out that death and birth would stop only for animals but not for plants. Also rest of functions would continue like aging, sex, hunger, diseases, emotions, selfishness, greed accidents, would continue as before.

Moreover, it is not possible dictate everything just at the begining of changed atmosphere of birth and death less world. Modifications can be jointly suggested and decided.

My idea of making a deathless world is that Death is most unwanted item which a living being does not like. But, immediately it came to my mind if death stops and birth continues there would population explosion so I need to stop the birth as well.

Let us see how many modifications I may have to incorporate further in due course.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Two things to ask: One, can I take a flying leap of a tall building and live? And secondly will all the stuff that goes into making babies still be available. Please answer one before two as I hate wasting my time.

One ...Yes, injury and suffering would be there but no death !

Second....Sex urge and enjoyment would continue but no ferilization and so no baby production.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: stardust no birth and no death? mhm, amusing. And that scenario is certainly not impossible, we all would perish one day. and then there would be beings made up of carbon and silicon, hopefully?

No, not exactly !!

Beings would remains as they are presently but without death

Quote by: Anmon good, if I can take back fifteen years as well.

Sorry that won't be possible. Only you won't die rest of things won't change. Also if you get married, enjoy sex as much as you wish but you won't get a baby.

Quote by: gela If there was no natural death, we would all eventualy kill each other..

No, there would not be any type of death !!! No question of killing each other

Or mabe with age will come wisdom.. and society would stop being so stupid. I can't decide which would happen.

Technosoul has analysed birthless & deathless world in best possible way

@Grandpa & @ Anmon

Gela is correct in saying with age wisdom would come. Age develops experience and then experience would develop wisdom !!!

Quote by: Chaossaber314 The answer to the Op is quite simple.

Simple !! But What ???

Look at the effects of overpopulation, look at predictions for the future, and then jump those ahead by many many decades. The no births element does present an interesting question though.

Don't bother population would remain constant now on. Scienctific techniques would provide "Constant Population World" even more day to day required items like food, clothes, shelter, entertainment etc.

Quote by: Maryjane I'd save a lot of money on insurance!

Good idea! Save mony elsewhere, where you would get maximum divident. Life Insurance is meaningless since you won't die then why to have life insurance.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul That is an interesting thing to speculate on.

Thank!

For one thing murder would not be possible - right? So war would be pointless. Capital punishment would be impossible.

Quite correct deductions

As well as marrage. If disease cannot kill us then that would pretty much solve the so-called expense of health care.

Marriage won't be affected. Only issues won't be there since births won't take place. Health expenses would be as usual since disease, accidents etc would be existing as usual.

Money might become obsolete because the main motivation for working hard at a job we don't like is because we must eat food. In your world eating would not be done anymore because to eat you must kill something, which is impossible, and starving to death likewise impossible.

Some intervention and clarification is needed in this regard. Plants would not die. The modified formula would apply only to animal kingdom. Again hunger would not go away so money would continue to have importance as hinted by gela. Also my othe rdream would come true...that is whole world would turn vegetarian.

And how could you clear land to build new houses and or highways if you cannot kill and distroy trees and so forth. So we would just live in nature with only what leftover man-made stuff that remained form our past exsistance in this life & death situation.

Not that way, all developments would continue since plants won't live eternally.

Our cells would not die and regenerate and so children would remain as children and adults would continue as-is also. Perhaps sex would still be possible but it would serve no practical purpose. No fears of having unwanted children. (no more abortion topic to debate).

What to speculate is that aging would take place. So after say another 20 years there would no children, teenagers and later after half a centuary everybody would be old man. I agree that would look unplesant. But then, how does that matter to an individual as long as he enjoys his life.

As per unwanted children and abortion topic... you are right.

The main concern would to dealing with possible boredom after the first few hundred years of the same-o same-o. No way out and not exit policy. We would ether have to find ways to enjoy life or suffer eternal depression that cannot be solved by suicide.

No, nothing such concern would be there. Life would go on as it goes currently. There would no change in entertainment, emotions, greed, selfishness and the like...so we need not find ways to enjoy.

We only need to think we may be bored for thousands of years with the same routine

Cat napping might become very popular, but not clock watching. We might distroy all clocks because who would care about time anymore?

Why so ???

No more candy, beer, cigarettes, drugs, and so forth, all of which are products of things being killed.

All this would remain in tact

No more need for tolets, no need to inhale air and so parts of our body would become obsolete. Things living underwater could venture onto land and things on land could walk around under water... no problem if you cannot die from suffication.

No such thing would happen since suffering would remain as is existing. Lack of air would suffocate as it is suffocating but death won't take place. A person would be tired of pressing one's throat but person won't die. He has to give in ultimately.

And so much of what we call living and growth would be no more, not a part of life as it is now. We would stop living life as we now live it.

No, aging would be there as explained ealier.

[loser]

grandpa:

Wisdom is not due to age.

Anmon:

agreed, experience is what counts the most.

Which is directly proportional to age.

As you grow older, you gain more experience which, in turn, increases knowledge which usually adds to one's wisdom.

A real grandpa would know this...from experience.

I'd save a lot of money on insurance!

You could just call Geico.

Life would be boring.

Not likely The universe is pretty big and there is much to explore.

Before, I pick up responses from members I may point out that death and birth would stop only for animals but not for plants. Also rest of functions would continue like aging, sex, hunger, diseases, emotions, selfishness, greed accidents, would continue as before.

Isn't that just like fickle man...always changing the rules.

FYI, "aging, sex, hunger, diseases, emotions, selfishness, greed accidents, would" NOT "continue as before" and, in fact, COULD not!

One ...Yes, injury and suffering would be there but no death !

Sounds like most people's concept of hell.

Second....Sex urge and enjoyment would continue but no ferilization and so no baby production.

Watched "Children of Men", did you?

In order for humans to attain eternal life, they will have to lose their mortal bodies because entropy is the law of the flesh. IOW, you can't stop the decay of matter.

However, you can convert it to energy.

Energy rulez!

[Anmon]

=loser;504415][ Which is directly proportional to age. As you grow older, you gain more experience which, in turn, increases knowledge which usually adds to one's wisdom.

I disagree, its what you and when you do it, that counts for experience, not how long you live.

[gela]

I don't even think wisdom necessarily comes from experience.
You can gain boundless wisdom just from sitting at hope reading complicated philosophy books.

It more comes from thinking about your experiences..

[Derach]

Animals would age too, I assume?

Would our bodies still be susceptible to infection and parasites?

If so, after about 70 or 80 yrs, humans would be a global population of suffering, incontinent, impotent, disease ridden, living corpses. Not an envious prospect. What a kick in the nuts it would be to people suffering teminal illness who have come to accept and in some cases welcome their death (definitely happens sometimes).

Assuming animals continue to age and suffer, the landscape would soon probably resemble a war zone .. with 'carcasses' (albeit 'living' ones) of all beasts eventually lying everywhere rotting away, but alive. What a way to spend the next 5.5 billion yrs (until the sun expires).