In case Birth & Death stops, then what????

[SoylentGreen]

Kuldeep One ...Yes, injury and suffering

Yeah but imagine the rush!!!
Me I am going to invest in extreme vacation business.

Sex urge and enjoyment would continue but no ferilization and so no baby production.

We can always explore other means of creating life, and probably will if the urge continues.

loser FYI, "aging, sex, hunger, diseases, emotions, selfishness, greed accidents, would" NOT "continue as before" and, in fact, COULD not!

Care to explain that.

[Maryjane]

I'd save a lot of money on insurance! You could just call Geico.

Life insurance loser..not car or hazard insurance. I'd still have to cover property damage.

I'd still need health insurance...I could be crippled but not die.

Guess I'd have trouble selling my burial plot now that it's not needed.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: loser Isn't that just like fickle man...always changing the rules.

No, not a fickle man but a flexible man. Even the so called God must not have framed all the rules in one hit. That is why I have hinted that adjustments would be made based on proper suggestions from members.

FYI, "aging, sex, hunger, diseases, emotions, selfishness, greed accidents, would" NOT "continue as before" and, in fact, COULD not!

Why, why ...why ???? How can you say that??

Sounds like most people's concept of hell.

Currently so many difficulties (Hell Situation) exist in our life still, nobody is ready to die. That is why I propose no death in my coception of NEW changed deathless world.

Watched "Children of Men", did you?

Yes, possible in current world not in my proposed world.

In order for humans to attain eternal life, they will have to lose their mortal bodies because entropy is the law of the flesh. IOW, you can't stop the decay of matter. However, you can convert it to energy. Energy rulez!

Nobody could prove that life after losing the mortal bodies exists ! That is why, I am suggesting eternity in this very physical body. The rule of decay is to be modified accoding to new proposal of deathless world.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: gela I don't even think wisdom necessarily comes from experience. You can gain boundless wisdom just from sitting at hope reading complicated philosophy books. It more comes from thinking about your experiences..

Very true, but gaining boundless wisdom just from sitting at hope reading complicated philosophy books and thinking about experience is itself special form of experience only. It is obvious any form of experience would come only when one is alive. So when you are living eternally, chances of experiencing more is there and obviously wisdom too could improve.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Derach Animals would age too, I assume? Would our bodies still be susceptible to infection and parasites?

Yes !!

If so, after about 70 or 80 yrs, humans would be a global population of suffering, incontinent, impotent, disease ridden, living corpses. Not an envious prospect. What a kick in the nuts it would be to people suffering teminal illness who have come to accept and in some cases welcome their death (definitely happens sometimes).

How can you say that ? I am telling you medical science would continue prospering and so would take care of health problem more efficiently.

Assuming animals continue to age and suffer, the landscape would soon probably resemble a war zone .. with 'carcasses' (albeit 'living' ones) of all beasts eventually lying everywhere rotting away, but alive. What a way to spend the next 5.5 billion yrs (until the sun expires).

No nothing like that would happen. Science would progress to take care of even extreme aging. A 50, 000 year old would be as vigorous and healthy as 40 year old present time person.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Maryjane Life insurance loser..not car or hazard insurance. I'd still have to cover property damage.

Yeha that is correct !!

I'd still need health insurance...I could be crippled but not die.

Please do not worry, medical science would progress beyond imagination. Crippling and such other horroble diseases would be taken care of.

Guess I'd have trouble selling my burial plot now that it's not needed

That would be one area of proffesion for some for first decade or two, till every body's burial plots get converted into a residential plot or joint industrial site.

[Derach]

Quote by: Kuldeep How can you say that ? I am telling you medical science would continue prospering and so would take care of health problem more efficiently. No nothing like that would happen. Science would progress to take care of even extreme aging. A 50, 000 year old would be as vigorous and healthy as 40 year old present time person.

How can you say that?? We've had centuries of shared knowledge at our fingertips and are still challenged with new or evolved diseases (avian flu, AIDS, etc) and we have made very little progress in extending the quality of life of humans beyond 60 or 70 yrs. Given the fact that from the moment this no death scenario starts, we have maybe 100 yrs TOPS to basically learn how to stop the aging and degeneration process in the human body, it is virtually impossible to think this goal will be optained in one lifetime.

And you think we'd be able to stop aging in humans AND animals. No way. Welcome to a world where every living animal becomes immobile and completely vegetative within a century.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Derach How can you say that?? We've had centuries of shared knowledge at our fingertips and are still challenged with new or evolved diseases (avian flu, AIDS, etc) and we have made very little progress in extending the quality of life of humans beyond 60 or 70 yrs.

While your comment is accurate, it's also true that not all knowledge is being shared or used adequately. Depsite this, viruses are actually being checked surprisingly well, at least in certain places.

Grandpa h.

[Dadoo]

THIS is immortality.
Birth and death exist only in a physical sense.
What is this thought? Was it birthed? Has it died? In this case, raw empiricism may be the only means to witness an experience as infinite, as we who are speaking do not know of life before birth, directly; nor life after "death", directly. THIS is how it always is.
Well, maybe,
Dadoo

[Kuldeep]

[quote=Dadoo;504835]THIS is immortality. /QUOTE]

Bravo, Dadoo !! You are the only person who has picked up the meaning and purpose of opening this thread of mine. After a bit of logical drama of debate, I wanted to impress upon my friends that we are actually living in eternity and are immotals. We do come again and again endlessly in various forms of species as reincarnated souls.

In physical sense, nobody would have agreed my saying. So, I played a trick and made them imagined that if we become immortal in this very body then what !!! We would have felt bored so we should have tried to come out of that imagined physical eternity as Individual Consciousness and would have tried to merge into physical bodyless metaphysical Universal Consciousness. That is exactly what is preached since centuries in Snatan Dharma, the path of attaining Mokhsha (Eternity in Universal Consciousness), the absolute reality of Absolute Unity !!!

Birth and death exist only in a physical sense.

Very True !!

What is this thought? Was it birthed? Has it died? In this case, raw empiricism may be the only means to witness an experience as infinite, as we who are speaking do not know of life before birth, directly; nor life after "death", directly. THIS is how it always is. Well, maybe,

In simple words, YOU get never born and never killed. It is various bodies in which you live get born and killed in reality. This is what has told by Lord Krishna to Arjuna in Bhagvat Gita, the best philosophic narration by any living being made so far as far as I know.

Believe in what I said and enjoy your present body to the best.

[Dadoo]

Yes, Kuldeep.
Now, to turn the wheel, as you hope to.
Be direct. First, to self, then to others.
It is harder than it sounds.
Be well, live!
Dadoo

[Kuldeep]

Thanks for the suggestion, Dadoo!!!

[Dadoo]

Of course, ahem...
Thank you for your clarity and joyfulness!
You have made me think a bit before I 'speak'.
smiles,
dadoo

[Kuldeep]

I am happy to see that you not only thought but understood "In case Birth & Death stops, then what???? 100% correct.

I really wonder why others do not think as properly as dadoo !!!!

[grandpa]

Quote by: loser [ Which is directly proportional to age. As you grow older, you gain more experience which, in turn, increases knowledge which usually adds to one's wisdom.

I still don't totally agree. One can spend a lifetime learning foolish things.

Grandpa h.

[Muckraker]

I'm actually in the middle of writing a novel around this very topic. I have roughly 250 pages of the 400 page target complete of the first draft.

I won't go into too many details but boredom plays a very big role in my story. In the early decades after the phenomenon, people made good use of their time but eventually they began to desire death.

There is a fundamental breakdown of society and complete technological stagnation as more and more people stop working and start "entertaining" themselves all the time. To keep the basics of society up and running, the world government provides certain consequences to help encourage people to work.

Anyway, hopefully the novel will be available in the next couple years, with a feature film soon to follow.

[Barnicals]

Quote by: Derach Animals would age too, I assume? Would our bodies still be susceptible to infection and parasites? If so, after about 70 or 80 yrs, humans would be a global population of suffering, incontinent, impotent, disease ridden, living corpses. Not an envious prospect. What a kick in the nuts it would be to people suffering teminal illness who have come to accept and in some cases welcome their death (definitely happens sometimes). Assuming animals continue to age and suffer, the landscape would soon probably resemble a war zone .. with 'carcasses' (albeit 'living' ones) of all beasts eventually lying everywhere rotting away, but alive. What a way to spend the next 5.5 billion yrs (until the sun expires).

Our bodies may be susceptable to parasites as they coexist with us, but I'm not sure. But because of a lack of death, things would not rot, so there would be no decay. It also wouldn't be waiting until the sun expires, because we would just be frozen until some source of heat came along to defrost us and give us mobility again (I'm thinking of the movie, A.I.).

I hope we never lose the choice to die.

[Barnicals]

I think if I lived in an immortal world, with no birth and death, I'd get very bored. I'd probably start off doing something like swimming to Asia, and then just walking everywhere, forever. I'd probably get very violent, and start fights. Although the term "life sentance" would take on whole new meaning wouldn't it. That said, would we really be alive? Because even just the word life implies that there is something there to begin and end it.
I think a lot of people would get fired into space and try to find god and intelligent life, as they had the opportunity, I'm sure. I guess we would end up very lonely though, if we all did that.

I don't like that you've turned this into an advertisment for your religion though. I also don't like that you have simply taken the word of a religion as absolute truth. You have no proof for this whatsoever, none quoted anyway. I also don't like tricksters. Do you think that the leader or god of your religion likes tricksters? I would hope not, not if you consider this a good religion.

Go hand out pamphlets.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Muckraker but boredom plays a very big role in my story. In the early decades after the phenomenon, people made good use of their time but eventually they began to desire death.

I disagree!! Go and ask the world oldest person that if he wanted to die since he has lived more than anybody else....Just post his reply on this thread!! Feeling of our indiviual existence so automatic and natural, even for a second we never feel that our existence would seize. It is only due to our past memory and worldly experience that we calculate since all have died in the past so we would also die. There is a difference between feeling and mental intelligent calculation.

We would never feel bore, exatly thwe way oldest man has felt bore. We would just keep on enjoying remaining busy over some or the other thing...the way we do in present type of immortal life.

There is a fundamental breakdown of society and complete technological stagnation as more and more people stop working and start "entertaining" themselves all the time. To keep the basics of society up and running, the world government provides certain consequences to help encourage people to work.

That is social default. Society is unable to give proper traininng of meaning of life to in-coming generation. Here I agree we should train them so that adopt the medium path of some work and some entertainment. But see there is no word of boredom in your example.

I agree boredom do occur at times. Avenues are drawn to find alternative engagement. But I tell you, nobody with normal mental balance would think of death as long as future scientific development would provide comfortable eternal life to living beings.

Anyway, hopefully the novel will be available in the next couple years, with a feature film soon to follow.

Good luck from me for that effort !!!

Quote by: Barnicals Our bodies may be susceptable to parasites as they coexist with us, but I'm not sure. But because of a lack of death, things would not rot, so there would be no decay. It also wouldn't be waiting until the sun expires, because we would just be frozen until some source of heat came along to defrost us and give us mobility again (I'm thinking of the movie, A.I.).

Possible even sun may not expire as everything would be eternal. So nothing to worry about in new type of system.

I hope we never lose the choice to die.

You are left with no choice to hope. Death vanishes from the scene. !!!

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Barnicals I think if I lived in an immortal world, with no birth and death, I'd get very bored.

No, you won't get bored. You would keep on finding some or the other source of etertainment as you are doing in present type of life.

I'd probably start off doing something like swimming to Asia, and then just walking everywhere, forever. I'd probably get very violent, and start fights. Although the term "life sentance" would take on whole new meaning wouldn't it. That said, would we really be alive? Because even just the word life implies that there is something there to begin and end it.

You may do any type of activity of your choice but, would never think of death, since a natural order has been passed that nobody would die from now on.

I think a lot of people would get fired into space and try to find god and intelligent life, as they had the opportunity, I'm sure. I guess we would end up very lonely though, if we all did that

Yes, people would keep on doing all type of things they are doing at present. Even better facilities to have best comfort would continue to develop as result of continual advances of science.

I don't like that you've turned this into an advertisment for your religion though. I also don't like that you have simply taken the word of a religion as absolute truth. You have no proof for this whatsoever, none quoted anyway. .

I think after Dadoo, you have caught it right, I mean to impress upon all that we exist eternally in metaphysical state. It is my feeling that our existence do not vanish with the pershing of our physical body on death. Since, I have no means prove that is why I framed a hypothesis: If world turns to a deathless & Birthless sort of existence then what ???

I also don't like tricksters.

I too join you in that !! But, I am trying to analysis what could be absolute truth.

Do you think that the leader or god of your religion likes tricksters? I would hope not, not if you consider this a good religion

I do not think there is any separate manifested or unmanfested leader or god behind the absolute truth that I exist eternally. It is just a coincidence that such an idea is reported in Sanatan Dharma (Hindu Religion) as well.

Go hand out pamphlets.

I need not !!!

Once am able to express my mind about the absoulte truth, others might agree or not to continue the debate about absolute truth.