We can't prove if God exists or not, but what we can prove...

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: christianmathew Are you saying you don't believe that Jesus ever existed or that he rose from the dead?

If he doesn't I will.
Considering coming back from the dead is fictional then it's good chance the character assigned the part is also fictional.

Jesus could like your god simply be the amalgamation of other stories put together to make a new story.
You want to prove jesus existed then show me the body.

[smartcode]

Quote by: Tycoon That is the result of clever evolution. There is no reason to make the assumption that that was granted to us by another being. It is merely the result of the one universal law : cause and effect. I do not see God's effect on it at all. My parents buy me my food, with money they earn working hard at their jobs. That food comes from the earth, through completely scientific means. I'm sure if something as miraculous as what you have just described exists I would have heard of it before. Provide any kind of link so that I can disprove it. You have not even given us any reason to believe this well you talk about exists, and even if it does, a perfectly natural explanation could be found defeating all reason to expect God's involvement. All these miracles are attributed to God, but all of the suffering in the world is ignored? If God is the defender of widows and orphans, then He is the one who made them widows and orphans in the first place. Besides, all these miracles could be explained through science!

Quote by: Tycoon That is the result of clever evolution. I'm sure if something as miraculous as what you have just described exists I would have heard of it before. Provide any kind of link so that I can disprove it.!

Zamzam Well - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't know about something this does not mean it does not exist.

ask yourself how did I come to life?. who gave me this life? did I chose to come? where is my spirit?. where do my spirit go when I die? is my spirit insignificant such as animal spirit? if it is significant then where do I go after death?. Could the science explore spirits? Could the science through hundreds of years find life secrets? could they create a very small life such as Amebia which has only one cell???
Why do I deny the creator ?
Nothing is happening haphazard. Look at everything around you !Look how it is working in a very wonderful manner ?
What is the percentage that coincidence could build an English word of three letters, four ,five, ..?
What is the percentage that coincidence can build a statement of four words. then to build one line poetry.Then complete medical book about the Brain. Then What is the percentage that the coencedence to build the Brain it self? may be les than 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000
which means more than the time of our universe life.

[Jack]

You've just posted a few of the thousands of questions which, through a lack of understanding, people have been asking for ages. It's not sufficient to wonder and then suppose a god is responsible. There's no reason to suppose a god. Wonder is good, trying to short-change wonder by pretending there's a god who knows everything we don't is nonsensical and nowhere supported by objective evidence.

[Tycoon]

If you don't know about something this does not mean it does not exist.

Did you even read your own source?

Hydrogeologically, the well is in the Wadi Ibrahim (Valley of Abraham). The upper half of the well is in the sandy alluvium of the valley, lined with stone masonry except for the top meter which has a concrete "collar". The lower half is in the bedrock. Between the alluvium and the bedrock is a half-meter section of permeable weathered rock, lined with stone, and it is this section that provides the main water entry into the well. Water in the well comes from absorbed rainfall in the Wadi Ibrahim, as well as runoff from the local hills. Since the area has become more and more settled, water from absorbed rainfall on the Wadi Ibrahim has decreased.

It tells you the source of the water, which most certainly is not God.

Ask yourself how did I come to life?

Birth.

Who gave me this life?

Your parents, not God.

Did I chose to come?

No, your parents chose to procreate.

Where is my spirit?

False assumption that spirits even exist.

Where do my spirit go when I die?

You don't have a spirit.

Is my spirit insignificant such as animal spirit?

You don't have a spirit.

If it is significant then where do I go after death?

You don't have a spirit.

Could the science explore spirits?

Science has no reason to believe they even exist.

Could the science through hundreds of years find life secrets?

What secrets?

Could they create a very small life such as Amebia which has only one cell?

Yes. And it's amoeba.

Why do I deny the creator?

Why shouldn't you?

And the rest of your questions are just meaningless.

[christianmathew]

You want to prove jesus existed then show me the body.

Weren't you listening? I can't, because his body isn't on earth, it's in heaven, because he rose from the dead genius.

[Tycoon]

Weren't you listening? I can't, because his body isn't on earth, it's in heaven, because he rose from the dead genius.

How convenient.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: christianmathew Weren't you listening? I can't, because his body isn't on earth, it's in heaven, because he rose from the dead genius.

Well no actually the apostles followed his command to eat of body and drink of his blood so as to remember him. But unfortunately due to the gross nature of the meal they had to cover it up with a made up story

There you go easy to make up stories about mythical creatures isn't it.

[Kuldeep]

[quote=Tycoon]No, your parents chose to procreate.[/QUOTE

Parents chose to have sex. Procreation is by chance or destined fertilization of egg with sperm. Even birth has not provided life in fetus but both the quality of egg and sperm mattered. The force behind the mechanism of fuctioning of the life in cell, egg or sperm is something science has to understad, which could called property of nature or God !!

[SoylentGreen]

Kuldeepcalld property of nature or God !!

Could also be called gravity. Once those sperm are headed down the track there is only one place to go , to the egg.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Could also be called gravity. Once those sperm are headed down the track there is only one place to go , to the egg.

Your gravity theory is correct upto physics point of view. If sperm is dead or weak then your gravity won't serve the purpose. Proper fertilization would never occur no matter how many times G force one may apply.

Biology of both sperm and egg too matters. Life behind the egg and sperm is what could be could called property of nature or God as said ealier as well !!! Sperm is not live because of gravity but something else which I called property of nature of sperm could called property of nature or God. ???

[Sonart]

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Quote by: smartcode If you don't know about something this does not mean it does not exist. ask yourself how did I come to life?. who gave me this life? did I chose to come? where is my spirit?. where do my spirit go when I die? is my spirit insignificant such as animal spirit? if it is significant then where do I go after death?. Could the science explore spirits? Could the science through hundreds of years find life secrets? could they create a very small life such as Amebia which has only one cell??? Why do I deny the creator ? Nothing is happening haphazard. Look at everything around you !Look how it is working in a very wonderful manner ? What is the percentage that coincidence could build an English word of three letters, four ,five, ..? What is the percentage that coincidence can build a statement of four words. then to build one line poetry.Then complete medical book about the Brain. Then What is the percentage that the coencedence to build the Brain it self? may be les than 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000 which means more than the time of our universe life.

Good heavens, smartcode... did you actually imagine these questions would stump atheists into dumbfounded confusion?

"How did I come to life?" As with all mammals, I was procreated by the living cells of my parents in my mothers womb.

"Who gave me this life?" See above.

"Did I chose to come?" Of course not.

"Where is my spirit?" What 'spirit'? Do you mean your persona, your 'self'? It's a vast combination of genetically inherited instincts and physiology combined with years and years of learned behaviors and abilities.

"Where do my spirit go when I die?" Same place your body does... ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

"Is my spirit insignificant such as animal spirit?" Who says animals are insignificant? "Think altruism, empathy and a sense of fair play are traits only humans possess? Think again. Honor among Beasts." Humans are just a lot more mentally and emotionally complicated.

"If it is significant then where do I go after death?" Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

"Could the science explore spirits?" Sure... right along with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. I don't imagine that science would find much.

"Could the science through hundreds of years find life secrets?" I don't know why not... look at the vast amount of secrets science has already found.

"Could they create a very small life such as Amebia which has only one cell???" We shall see. Scientists are working on it as we speak. They've already duplicated evolution.

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"Why do I deny the creator?" Because it defies the laws of nature and physics, and makes no logical, reasoned sense to me.

"Nothing is happening haphazard. Look at everything around you! Look how it is working in a very wonderful manner?" Tornados? Tsunamis? Black holes? Quasars? Scorpians? Ebola, Huntington's disease, Cancer, Alzheimer's, Spinabifida, famine, random gunfire? Yeah, you bet.. swell plan.

"What is the percentage that coincidence could build an English word of three letters, four ,five, ..? What is the percentage that coincidence can build a statement of four words. then to build one line poetry.Then complete medical book about the Brain. Then What is the percentage that the coencedence to build the Brain it self? may be les than 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000"

Huh????? Given a few billion years of evolution, the probability seems quite reasonable.

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[SoylentGreen]

Kuldeep Biology of both sperm and egg too matters. Life behind the egg and sperm is what could be could called property of nature or God as said ealier as well !!! Sperm is not live

Sperm is not alive it is just a few cells doing what they are suppose to do.
I understand that what you refer to as "property of nature or God" is something that is only a concept not any actual physical part of sperm.

[Tycoon]

Parents chose to have sex. Procreation is by chance or destined fertilization of egg with sperm. Even birth has not provided life in fetus but both the quality of egg and sperm mattered. The force behind the mechanism of fuctioning of the life in cell, egg or sperm is something science has to understad, which could called property of nature or God !!

Sex results in the sperm entering the uterus. The sperm use their flagella to swim to the egg. The acrosome cap on the sperm releases enzymes to breach the egg, and fertilization occurs. The nucleus of the sperm and the nucleus of the egg fuze, mapping out the entire development of an individual. Everything about this process is scientifical and natural. There is no reason whatsoever to expect the involvement of any God.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Sperm is not alive it is just a few cells doing what they are suppose to do.

Sperm is not alive. This sound astonishing and compels me to ask you what is life then. Why then sperm is used after storing in such way that its activity remains in tact. Sperms would not fuction if kept just out side in atmospheric conditions for a week or so. That means they have got damaged or killed. meaning sperm had life !!

I understand that what you refer to as "property of nature or God" is something that is only a concept not any actual physical part of sperm.

Exactly, here you are correct. What I am talking is not physical part of sperm but a reason (property) because of which it is capable of fertilizing the egg as explained by Tycoon in the quote below.

Quote by: Tycoon Sex results in the sperm entering the uterus. The sperm use their flagella to swim to the egg. The acrosome cap on the sperm releases enzymes to breach the egg, and fertilization occurs. The nucleus of the sperm and the nucleus of the egg fuze, mapping out the entire development of an individual. Everything about this process is scientifical and natural. There is no reason whatsoever to expect the involvement of any God.

I no where have said that there is involvement of any manifested God sitting somewhere and processing the steps Tycoon has mentioned as scientific findings. For example, "Swiming, releasing of enzymes etc. are the fuctions, which makes it easily understandable that sperm is a living identity. The force, due to which sperm is able to swim and release enzymes can be termed as God (Life Force). Not only about the property of sperm but, for that matter anything in universe which is attaining its properties is due that force ionly. We may not able to physically to observe that force but, that is unique force which I may put a name as God.

[SoylentGreen]

Kuldeep What I am talking is not physical part of sperm but a reason (property) because of which it is capable of fertilizing the egg

Which can be explained as tycoon explained it. The adding of an extra dimension is because of a belief in god not because of any added reason (property) in the sperm.

[Tycoon]

I no where have said that there is involvement of any manifested God sitting somewhere and processing the steps Tycoon has mentioned as scientific findings. For example, "Swiming, releasing of enzymes etc. are the fuctions, which makes it easily understandable that sperm is a living identity. The force, due to which sperm is able to swim and release enzymes can be termed as God (Life Force). Not only about the property of sperm but, for that matter anything in universe which is attaining its properties is due that force ionly. We may not able to physically to observe that force but, that is unique force which I may put a name as God.

There is no force. You are making up a force that is not there. I am saying that everything that happens is completely explained by science, without the involvement of this force you call God, or life force.

[Tycoon]

Sperm is not alive. This sound astonishing and compels me to ask you what is life then. Why then sperm is used after storing in such way that its activity remains in tact. Sperms would not fuction if kept just out side in atmospheric conditions for a week or so. That means they have got damaged or killed. meaning sperm had life !!

What exactly are you trying to say? First you say sperm is not alive. Then you say it is alive.

Sperm are alive. That doesn't mean they are driven by any force called God.