Atheists want to go to hell

[HelioPrime]

I've noticed a trend. Please correct me if I'm wrong but lets start with a little back story:

For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell.

Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist.

Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell. Their logic appears like this:

1) God doesn't exist, everyone just dies

2) There is a low possibility God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we should all be atheists.

3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God.

So: To (secular non theists) First would you prefer that term? And second agree or disagree with my summary of your opinions?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: HelioPrime I've noticed a trend. Please correct me if I'm wrong but lets start with a little back story: For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell. Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist. Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell. Their logic appears like this: 1) God doesn't exist, everyone just dies 2) There is a low possibility God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we should all be atheists. 3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God. So: To (secular non theists) First would you prefer that term? And second agree or disagree with my summary of your opinions?

I don't believe there is a god out there that resembles the god of any religion on earth so I have no problem tempting people to hell--er.. atheism.

[Lullaby Chainer]

I want to add to that.

Do you ever invite people to go swimming with you even though they could possibly drown and go to Hell...?

[Zhavric]

Quote by: HelioPrime I've noticed a trend. Please correct me if I'm wrong but lets start with a little back story: For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell. Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist.

Yes. People grew wise to the silly ways of the church. Remember that we're talking about an institution that for CENTURIES refused to translate its main source of information into non-latin languages. People have a tendency to do that: feed them BS for long enough and someone will eventually gag and stop swallowing. It doesn't make any sense for a god who loves people to also send them to hell. It's nonsense. People have spent careers and lifetimes trying to mitigate this nonsense. The end result is that it's still nonsense, but now it's nonsense with bad logic "supporting" it.

Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell.

What a silly assertion?

First, it's not about what we "want". It's about what's true. What's not BS. Second, we don't "want to go to hell". That's absurd. Erase this nonsense from your argument immediately. It's part of the "Atheists really do believe in god, but are mad at him" argument that we've crushed to dust time and again on here.

2) There is a low possibility God could exist,...

Now you're talking about agnostics. Not atheists.

3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God.

See above regarding the "atheists really do believe" argument. This isn't an option.

[tommy5x]

Ah, imaginative application of Pascal's wager.

I remain an objective agnostic theist, but by my current self reasoning, God an exist only as a latent soure of all, allowing for whatever was in the begininning to be God. I guess you could say that I'm an atheist based on that alone, but I digress.

I'd say that to want to go to hell, would be an acknowledgement of the existance of God.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Helio, are you suggesting that atheists shut up 'cause the mere possibility of damnation should scare everyone as much as it scares you?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Helio, are you suggesting that atheists shut up 'cause the mere possibility of damnation should scare everyone as much as it scares you?

Hehehehehe, probably.


Also, it wouldn't hurt to abolish all writings that don't conform with biblical records.


People just don't need to be questioning this authority.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: HelioPrime Atheists want to go to hell

I am afraid that we really do not know what happens after Life.
Whether Hell or Heaven exist, these are symbolic descriptions.

Try to understand, that regardless of religious and/or non-religious approach, God loves Everybody and Everything, and Atheists are included. Whether God would punish Atheists, that is unknown to anybody but God.
(Just like a mama, that may spank child's ass :-) sometimes - for bad behaviour, not necessarily to go with spanking the end of that child's life, instead.)

P.S.
I am a Catholic :-)

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Rainbow I am afraid that we really do not know what happens after Life.. I am a Catholic :-)

Do you mean a lapsed catholic or pretend catholic?

Other wise I am fairly sure that catholics are quite firmly convinced about what they do know about the afterlife.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Do you mean a lapsed catholic or pretend catholic? Other wise I am fairly sure that catholics are quite firmly convinced about what they do know about the afterlife.

I mean a Catholic, as it stands for.
I do not use chosen phrases taken from the Bible to support my stance, selectively. One needs to do a little more than applying a copy-and-paste technique, and follow and/or understand the Bible literally.
From Atheists to Catholics. Where are we heading, now ?

P.S.
You do not need to be poignant.
What makes you think I am not capable of your approach ?

[Maryjane]

I've noticed a trend.

It's called snarkism.

Please correct me if I'm wrong

It would be my pleasure

For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell.

I don't know if they've ever agreed. Going to hell is their dogma. They seem to have a thing for guilt and punishment.<shrug>

Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist.

So how do you know others didn't have a problem with it in the past? Speculation on your part.

Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell. Their logic appears like this:

Like we have any other choice? No atheist don't believe in hell. Theist want to belive non believers go to hell. We don't buy it. It's a load of crap.

1) God doesn't exist, everyone just dies

I know it's hard to believe but yes, everyone dies...E V E R Y O N E. Your brain, heart, and lungs cease to function. That is what we call death. Then the body starts to decompose....

2) There is a low possibility God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we should all be atheists.

No, again, athieists don't believe in gods. Zilch... You have us confused with someone else.

3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God.

If you say so...he's your god. You can believe what you want.

So: To (secular non theists) First would you prefer that term? And second agree or disagree with my summary of your opinions?

I couldn't care less. <shrug>

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Rainbow I mean a Catholic, as it stands for.

Then you must mean orthodox catholic? Or perhaps traditional?, ...... New age?

I do not use chosen phrases taken from the Bible to support my stance, selectively.

But that's what catholics do, it is what makes them different from protestants or Unitarians.

One needs to do a little more than applying a copy-and-paste technique, and follow and/or understand the Bible literally.

True and that's why you rely on your seers to interpret the words for you in the particular fashion peculiar only to the catholic mythology.

From Atheists to Catholics. Where are we heading, now ?

In that progression, straight to hell. But from catholic to atheist would be better.

P.S. You do not need to be poignant. What makes you think I am not capable of your approach ?

No offense meant my questions are aimed at your reasoning not your faith.

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: HelioPrime I've noticed a trend. Please correct me if I'm wrong but lets start with a little back story: For over a thousand years people lived in parts of the world as christians. While they didn't always agree many of the concepts have remained the same. One of those is unbelievers go to hell. Fast forward to present day and suddenly people have a problem with this. The problem is that if God was real and loving then he wouldn't send people do hell, so hence God must not exist. Atheist (secular non theists) seem to have a common ideal, they either want to be dead and thats it, or go to hell. Their logic appears like this: 1) God doesn't exist, everyone just dies 2) There is a low possibility God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we should all be atheists. 3) God sends unbelievers the hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just get away from that God. So: To (secular non theists) First would you prefer that term? And second agree or disagree with my summary of your opinions?

Perhaps a remedial course in 'early church history' would be helpful. If I'm not mistaken 'christianity's' current conception of 'hell' has only been with us for something like 500-600 years. Have you ever watched the history channel's programs discussing the historical facts concerning how our ideas regarding heaven, hell, satan, demons, angels has evolved over the past 2,000 plus years?

"they either want to be dead and that's it . . .

Wanting to be dead ain't got nothing to do with it, at this point in my life I can honestly say that I've never 'wanted' to be dead. Never the less I think it's a fact I'm going to die - none of us are getting out of this alive!

. . . or go to hell."

Since I don't believe in a place called 'hell' I couldn't possible want to go there.

1) god doesn't exist, everybody just dies. Whether a being called 'god' exists or does not exist has absolutely nothing to do with death - it is simply a biological fact that human beings die.

2) There is a low possibility that God could exist, in which case he should be just and equally loving so everyone goes to heaven. In which case we all should be atheists.

Huh??? Where's the logic in that?

3) God sends unbelievers to hell. He is clearly uncaring and unjust so every rational person should WANT to be an atheist and go to hell just to get away from God.

Since 'atheists' do not believe in the existence of a being called 'god' how could they believe that he is uncaring and unjust or that he is going to send unbelievers to hell - a place that they don't believe exists?
How could an atheist WANT to go to hell (a place they don't believe exists) to get away from a 'god' they don't believe exists?

Was this thread meant to be a joke?

[davedes]

People who reject the Christian God do not wish to go to Hell, they simply don't believe in it.

[another day]

I think it's safe to say this thread falls under the criteria of "forum trolling"

[Aussie]

I'll concede I'm going to hell because i'm not christian Helio, if you concede you're going hell because you're not a muslim.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Helio, are you suggesting that atheists shut up 'cause the mere possibility of damnation should scare everyone as much as it scares you?

No, just commenting on the idea secularist such as yourself keep bringing up. The whole "what if's" with babies and Chinese and others. Basically you deny God but then mock others version of God by complaining on why God is universally fair and just to everyone. The end result of that debate seems to be God should be fair and loving and sent everyone to heaven so we should all be atheists to save the trouble.

Basically even if you admit the possibility of the existence of God, you want to apart from that God because he doesn't appear perfect in your eyes. If God was real you'd want to go to hell in your mind because hell would be separation from an unjust God.

Am I correct in assessing that?

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Maryjane No, again, athieists don't believe in gods. Zilch... You have us confused with someone else.

A number of people (example Rez) always mention God as in the (very low probability) So does that mean you are not an atheist?

Even Dawkins wrote he's a 6 out of 7 atheist on his scale of levels of belief (1 Being absolute fundamentalist religious, 7 being 100% certain gods don't exist). Does that mean he considers the very unlikely remote chance he could be wrong? Or do you all have to be 100% certain your correct in your mind.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I want to add to that. Do you ever invite people to go swimming with you even though they could possibly drown and go to Hell...?

We don't have a pool. Although I have had BBQ's. I guess the grill could explode but that would require having a none christian present.

[davedes]

Quote by: HelioPrime A number of people (example Rez) always mention God as in the (very low probability) So does that mean you are not an atheist? Even Dawkins wrote he's a 6 out of 7 atheist on his scale of levels of belief (1 Being absolute fundamentalist religious, 7 being 100% certain gods don't exist). Does that mean he considers the very unlikely remote chance he could be wrong? Or do you all have to be 100% certain your correct in your mind.

In my mind, the existence of god(s) is possible but not probable. I make the active decision not to believe in god(s), so that makes me an atheist.

100% is an extreme. It leaves absolutely no margin of error. Lots of people avoid such extremes, even on concepts as ludicrous as pink unicorns, the flying spaghetti monster, etc.

Basically even if you admit the possibility of the existence of God, you want to apart from that God because he doesn't appear perfect in your eyes. If God was real you'd want to go to hell in your mind because hell would be separation from an unjust God.

Very few people want to go to hell.

I can't speak for all atheists, but if the Christian God was shown to exist just as he is portrayed in the Bible, then I very well may consider worshipping him. But since I feel that scenario is about as likely as pink unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster, I don't worry much about it.

What are your feelings on other deities? What if Allah was proven to be the true God? Would you want to go to Islamic Hell? (As Aussie noted)