How old is the Sphinx?

[freedom13]

How old is the Sphinx?
At least 4,500 years - but some say it goes back 9,000 years

How old is the Sphinx? - Mysteries of the Universe - MSNBC.com Feb. 12, 1999 - For years, Egyptologists and archaeologists have thought the Great Sphinx of Giza to be about 4,500 years old, dating to around 2500 B.C. However, some recent studies have suggested that the Sphinx was built as long ago as 7000 B.C. The relatively new theory is based on what is thought to be “precipitation-induced weathering” on the upper areas of the Sphinx. Archaeologists supporting this view contend that the last time there was sufficient precipitation in the region to cause this pattern of rainfall erosion on limestone was around 9,000 years ago, 7000 B.C.

How old is the Sphinx?

Is the Sphinx much older than 4,500 years old what Egyptologists and archaeologists indicated in the past?

[freedom13]

When did civilization begin....?

How old are the pyramids and Sphinx?
Mystery of the Sphinx - part 1

[Dagda]

I think I read somewhere a self taught egyptologyst did a little test with the rain corosion on pyramids and found enough rain had not fallen in the region to do that ammount of damage since well past 4,500 years. He concluded that an, as yet undescovered, civilisation had built them well before the Eygyptions.

[gallo]

Quote by: Dagda I think I read somewhere a self taught egyptologyst did a little test with the rain corosion on pyramids and found enough rain had not fallen in the region to do that ammount of damage since well past 4,500 years. He concluded that an, as yet undescovered, civilisation had built them well before the Eygyptions.

I'll bet you didn't take into account DU FLUD.

[tommy5x]

As old as the stones that make it.

[Anmon]

12,500 years possibly older, both great pyramids(3) and sphinx definitely not built by the Egyptians, were there before their civilisation.

[stardust]

Dosen't Sphinx comes in Greek Mythology as well as daughter of Typhon?
I'd say it must have been created sometime around the ages pyramids were created or before..mm not very helpful../

[RealRockingham]

Self-taught Egyptologist is the keyword.......

In any case, this crackpot theory is...crackpot. 9000BC, the world was not suitable to state-building. Too cold and all.

[Dagda]

Only in the north. Further south it was warm enough. Lattley, in fact, information has come to light that suggests some form of civilasation existed well before the rise of Summeria. They were wiped out by the mass flooding of the end of the last Ice Age-in about 9000B.C.

[RealRockingham]

Thats utter rubbish. Give me a GOOD link.

[Dagda]

Self-taught Egyptologist is the keyword.......

Are you implying self-taught archeologysts are no good? May I remind you the man who found the ruins of 'Troy' was self-taught. So to was the finder of the Minoan civilisation and the Indus Valley civilisation. One of the greatest Egyptoligists was a circus strong-man for goodness sake!

Thats utter rubbish

Why do you dismiss it of hand?

[RealRockingham]

Quote by: Dagda Are you implying self-taught archeologysts are no good? May I remind you the man who found the ruins of 'Troy' was self-taught. So to was the finder of the Minoan civilisation and the Indus Valley civilisation. One of the greatest Egyptoligists was a circus strong-man for goodness sake! Why do you dismiss it of hand?

Theirs a difference between finding somethign and interpreting its meaning, however. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can FIND something. Its takes a properly educated person to analyse it.

I dismiss it out of hand because. as far as I know, no serious archaeologist backs the theory. In any case, the fact that you can't spell archaeologists and Egyptologists correctly says something.

As previously said, give me a link to a serious site, or cite a serious book that propogates the theory. My information on this matter comes only from crackpot sites and books, because, as far as I know, their are NO non-crackpot internet sites or books espousing the theory.

[Charlatan]

How about checking the time line and the 'tool line', as you can't chizel something if you don't have a chizel. What sort of tools would it take to create a rather finely shaped face like that? Also it must have been in a time of kings and queens with finely shaped and crafted crowns. Craftsmen would also have needed papyrus to draw out their plan for the pile of slabs. If such technology were available back then, it would have spread throughout the middle east too, as things get around like that, and travellers would spread word of such events, and similar works would be created commemorating their own kings and queens, and there woudl have been some evidence suggesting that it was written into history through logs of the events.

[RealRockingham]

Charlatan, I couldn't have put it better myself.

[Dagda]

the fact that you can't spell archaeologists and Egyptologists correctly says something.

I'll tell you what it suggests, I have a problem with spelling. It was 'diagnosed' when I was about 9. I can never remember the name, never mind spell it but it seems to run in my family. However, my aunt, although she has it, is a member of mensa. Perhaps this shows once and forall that mis-spelling does not mean uneducated or stupidity? I've always thought someone who thinks bad spelling means a bad argument was being very pedantic.

[RealRockingham]

Quote by: Dagda I'll tell you what it suggests, I have a problem with spelling. It was 'diagnosed' when I was about 9. I can never remember the name, never mind spell it but it seems to run in my family. However, my aunt, although she has it, is a member of mensa. Perhaps this shows once and forall that mis-spelling does not mean uneducated or stupidity? I've always thought someone who thinks bad spelling means a bad argument was being very pedantic.

My deepest apologies, I perhaps saw it as a lack of understanding of the discipline themselves. I was being very pedantic *facepalms self*.

Granted, my knowledge of the matter is meager itself- my reply was derived of a dislike of conspiracy theories.

I am prepared to accept that *maybe* civilisation in some sense of the term existed around that time. But not at anywhere near the developmental level of even the Ancient Egyptians. The environment was not suitable in the region, and their would be more physical evidence then the claimed *evidence*- which amounts to one Giant Sphinx that is claimed to be older then presumed, and what else?

[Dagda]

Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country

There is a website for you. Although the Black Sea civilisation is not as technilogicaly advanced as ancient Egypt I am mearly showing historians have concidered the effect of the last Ice Age covering vast areas of land.

[Dagda]

My deepest apologies, I perhaps saw it as a lack of understanding of the discipline themselves. I was being very pedantic *facepalms self*. ]

Its all right, it happens to me all the time and I don't really mind. I can see why people would concider bad spelling means a bad argument. I do the same with puncuation. Sorry if I appeared a bit snappy.

[RealRockingham]

Quote by: Dagda Its all right, it happens to me all the time and I don't really mind. I can see why people would concider bad spelling means a bad argument. I do the same with puncuation. Sorry if I appeared a bit snappy.

No, it is my fault. If it means anything to you, in my defense I was dead tired at the time of making that post

I will form a reply based on the Black sea civ at a later date, upon reading the article. It actually seems plausible to me- and would explain the numerous "flood myths", around the world.

A question though- why does a BLACK SEA Civilisation prove that another civilisation built the Sphinx on the NILE , not the Ancient Egyptians? Any sight with details of a theoretical earlier Nile civ would be welcome.

[RealRockingham]

Having read it- the term "state" IS misleading. Indeed, the findings suggest that the civilisation was only as developed as 5000 BC interior Anatolia. Which may have been advanced by the standards of the time, but isn't pyramid/sphinx building standard.

Nor is their anything to suggest that their was actually a "state", merely some degree of primitive communal settlement.