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Maryjane · Apr 26, 2008, 07:19 pm

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As if God would send a a baby to hell for anything in the first place.

Then why is there baptism?

Lullaby Chainer · Apr 26, 2008, 07:21 pm

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Do all christian say that?

If one christian says it then is it true for everyone?

I personally have no problem with Christians. Most Christians are reasonable and are evolving, for the better, away from the Bible and towards reason.

My problem is CHRISTIANITY.

**Jack** · Apr 26, 2008, 08:04 pm

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No earthy condition will allow God to exist?

Are we talking about your concept of the god what must obey the laws of physics and leave a verifiable trail of evidence?

I have no personal concept of gods. All I know is based on their follower's descriptions. The Christians claim (occasionally) that the Bible describes their god. The Muslims, the Koran. All religions propose their definition of their god. That's what I use as a basis for talking about gods.

HelioPrime · Apr 26, 2008, 08:05 pm

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Is this where I interject a comment about board games and follow you in derailment?

Want to play Monopoly? Jesusland edition? I'm sure these is one lol

HelioPrime · Apr 26, 2008, 08:06 pm

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I personally have no problem with Christians. Most Christians are reasonable and are evolving, for the better, away from the Bible and towards reason.

My problem is CHRISTIANITY.

As a whole or which following of it?

There are gay christians in Kansas as well as christians in Kansas who say all gays go to hell. So are we talking about a specific group here?

HelioPrime · Apr 26, 2008, 08:08 pm

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What about where the bible says that we became like God, having free will etc.? You bring up this example to discredit the fact that I brought up how we are in God's image, yet you ignore the other fact. Funny how Christians do that, huh?

And a hotwheels car has the same colors and looks of a real car! Gasp*

Since you've got the answers car to explain to me your take? So Humans are exactly like god? Just like him in his image?

Sweet so I'm gonna go buy a hot wheel Veryron, I mean its made in the image of the car so it must be the same!

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:17 pm

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Then why is there baptism?

Its God putting his mark on the child, claiming them as his own.

Maryjane · Apr 26, 2008, 08:18 pm

So the devil (his creation) can't get him? Not too powerful is he?

Lullaby Chainer · Apr 26, 2008, 08:19 pm

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As a whole or which following of it?

There are gay christians in Kansas as well as christians in Kansas who say all gays go to hell. So are we talking about a specific group here?

No, I'm talking about Christianity. The Bible. Jesus. The scripture.

Christians can't be controlled and I can't address all of them at once. I'm addressing Christianity. My hope is to show CHRISTIANITY is false, not every nook and cranny of every weird or reasonable or hateful twist or extra-biblical Christian there is.

If CHRISTIANITY is false.. the rest will follow, me hopes.

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:20 pm

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I personally have no problem with Christians. Most Christians are reasonable and are evolving, for the better, away from the Bible and towards reason.
My problem is CHRISTIANITY.

Do you have any proof that most Christians are 'evolving' away from what your version of what reason is?

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:22 pm

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So the devil (his creation) can't get him? Not too powerful is he?

Well if a little ceremony can stop the devil, then the devils not that powerful either.

Maryjane · Apr 26, 2008, 08:25 pm

So it's like voodoo?

HelioPrime · Apr 26, 2008, 08:37 pm

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No, I'm talking about Christianity. The Bible. Jesus. The scripture.

Christians can't be controlled and I can't address all of them at once. I'm addressing Christianity. My hope is to show CHRISTIANITY is false, not every nook and cranny of every weird or reasonable or hateful twist or extra-biblical Christian there is.

If CHRISTIANITY is false.. the rest will follow, me hopes.

So christianity is false because babies born in China go to hell? Does it specifically say babies from china and does it say babies too?

So babies go to hell. Lets stand that alone. How does that clearly prove christianity (as a scripture) false?

Tycoon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:43 pm

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And a hotwheels car has the same colors and looks of a real car!

Did you even read what I said? We are supposedly like God in the fact that we have intelligence and we have free will! I am not talking only about how we were made in God's image!

There has to be a connection between us and God for God to judge us. God has to be able to put himself in our physical limitations if he is able to understand and judge us at all. Either that or we're all going to hell. It's like saying you study five hours for a calculus test then your math teacher gives you a chemistry test.

Tycoon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:45 pm

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So babies go to hell. Lets stand that alone. How does that clearly prove christianity (as a scripture) false?

Because there is no adequate reason that God or anyone could give to send a baby to hell, simply because the baby does not know Christ. This contradiction to Christianity reveals its disturbing nature and the fact that there is no answer to every question.

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:49 pm

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So it's like voodoo?

In a good way.

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:51 pm

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Because there is no adequate reason that God or anyone could give to send a baby to hell, simply because the baby does not know Christ. This contradiction to Christianity reveals its disturbing nature and the fact that there is no answer to every question.

Jesus himself preached that if anyone harmed a child they would go to hell, so theres no reason to believe God would send a baby to hell, the left as always grasping at straws in their hatred of God.

Tycoon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:54 pm

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Jesus himself preached that if anyone harmed a child they would go to hell, so theres no reason to believe God would send a baby to hell, the left as always grasping at straws in their hatred of God.

You are only proving that this is a contradiction. A baby can't possibly know and accept Jesus, so how can it get into Heaven?

Anmon · Apr 26, 2008, 08:57 pm

Jesus knows the baby, and its done nothing wrong to anyone, thats how.

Tycoon · Apr 26, 2008, 09:01 pm

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Jesus knows the baby, and its done nothing wrong to anyone, thats how.

If you don't like that example...

Then how about somebody who was born and raised into a different religion? What if they were perfectly good people who followed good ethics and were loving and caring and all that good stuff?

Would they get into Heaven? Sure, they might have heard about Christianity... but why would they have any reason to change to Christianity? They're happy and content with their religion, and their religion also teaches that it is the true faith.

What about that person? Are they damned to eternal suffering simply for being born into the wrong house?

Apr 26, 2008, 08:18 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
Maryjane Amused Location: Mid Atlantic Posts: 1,178	So the devil (his creation) can't get him? Not too powerful is he? That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong. W. J. H. Boetcker

Apr 26, 2008, 08:25 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Maryjane Amused Location: Mid Atlantic Posts: 1,178	So it's like voodoo? That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong. W. J. H. Boetcker

Apr 26, 2008, 08:57 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Jesus knows the baby, and its done nothing wrong to anyone, thats how.