christianity vs. Aethism

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Winter wind It does matter. They don't pretend to know how old the earth is. Ergo, it's up to humans to find this out.

Nope. You're wrong. The age the earth bit AND the bible came from humans. Or the bible came from god AND put the age of the earth at 600 years old. You don't get to have it both ways, Winter.

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: butterbut Your completely wrong. Just becuase I can't prove it to you doesn't mean its not evidence. You say I'm asinging "mythological motives" to positive things but it goes a lot deeper then that. He's given meaning to my life that you could never imagine. If you only knew the Jesus I know.

"If you only knew the Jesus I know". Yes, I know what you mean! The Jesus that I came to know was a Jewish patriot who lead a failed insurrection against the tyranny of Roman oppression in Judaea and was crucified for his efforts.
Which 'Jesus' are you talking about? The historical Jesus? Or Paul's Jesus?

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: christianmathew Well, being a christian I obviously have my own views on this topic. But I was wondering what other people thought about christianity vs. aethism. Post, write what you want, whatever. I just want to hear your opinions.

Which 'flavor' of christianity are you talking about? Roman Catholic? Eastern Orthodox? Protestant? Please define 'christianity'.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: zhavric Nope. You're wrong. The age the earth bit AND the bible came from humans. Or the bible came from god AND put the age of the earth at 600 years old. You don't get to have it both ways, Winter.

Where does it put the age of the earth at 600 years old? Point to the Bible passage, please?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: butterbut I beleive in God becuase of what he has done in my life. If that is not eveidence, then I don't know what is.

These things could not have happened in a godless universe?

Does God enlighten or inspire or work personal and private miracles of all religions? Isn't that misleading for him to do? All religions claim these experiences, even non-religious people do.. but they don't say it was 'cause of some magical being floating in space.. they just call it life.

[Jack]

Just becuase I can't prove it to you doesn't mean its not evidence.

It's actually the fact you can't establish that there is only one possible and irrefutable explanation for what you credit to your faith that disqualifies it as evidence. That should make you skeptical as well.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer These things could not have happened in a godless universe? Does God enlighten or inspire or work personal and private miracles of all religions? Isn't that misleading for him to do? All religions claim these experiences, even non-religious people do.. but they don't say it was 'cause of some magical being floating in space.. they just call it life.

I know people try to get enleightenment from everywhere but its all fake. Jesus is what life's about. Everything makes sense now and its not just in my mind but my actions as well. I know this is for real. You think I'm crazy but I know this is for real. You have to see it for yourself. The only way to do that is to look for Him.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: christianmathew . You are right that most christians just accept this, and don't question it, but I do believe that christians think for themselves, since they are able to choose christianity.

Christians do question all of it, but they choose to stick with it. Now if we were brought up religion-free I don't know that there'd be the same conclusion.

I agree though, Christians do believe for whatever reason, and it doesn't have to make sense, that's why it's called faith.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Jack It's actually the fact you can't establish that there is only one possible and irrefutable explanation for what you credit to your faith that disqualifies it as evidence. That should make you skeptical as well.

Its eveidence to me. Becuase I can't establish it to you doesn't me I haven't established it to myself.

[suijurisfreeman]

Quote by: butterbut I know people try to get enleightenment from everywhere but its all fake. Jesus is what life's about. Everything makes sense now and its not just in my mind but my actions as well. I know this is for real. You think I'm crazy but I know this is for real. You have to see it for yourself. The only way to do that is to look for Him.

If in fact 'Jesus is what life's about' then I guess 100's of millions of human beings born prior to 'Jesus' lived and died for nothing!

[Matt W]

Quote by: butterbut Its eveidence to me. Becuase I can't establish it to you doesn't me I haven't established it to myself.

That is as maybe, but given that this is a debate board, something more solid is required. Otherwise, you just come across as preaching. Which is not what this forum is here for.

[Jack]

Becuase I can't establish it to you doesn't me I haven't established it to myself.

It may someday, as it did for me, if you keep asking, "is religious faith the only explanation for what I attribute to faith?" That only works if knowing reality is more important than clinging to an inadequate belief.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Matt W That is as maybe, but given that this is a debate board, something more solid is required. Otherwise, you just come across as preaching. Which is not what this forum is here for.

You're right. My point is that Christians aren't the irrational blind beleivers some people think we are. I'm done with this thread.

[rez]

Quote by: butterbut You're right. My point is that Christians aren't the irrational blind beleivers some people think we are. I'm done with this thread.

What are you done with? Nobody here physically hurt you did they? People were just asking you questions. Are you done with people asking you questions? Are you incapable of critically thinking about your beliefs?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: christianmathew Christianity vs. Aethism Well, being a christian I obviously have my own views on this topic. But I was wondering what other people thought about christianity vs. aethism. Post, write what you want, whatever. I just want to hear your opinions.

Everybody is entitled to his/her approach.

We should pay more attention to help each other, instead of wrestlling others' concepts.

Example :
I do not think a mother would pay much attention whether to take a bread from Atheist vs Theist, when feeding her children is at stake.
Otherwise, she needs a medical help (read : psychiatrist), herself, instead.

[butterbut]

Quote by: rez What are you done with? Nobody here physically hurt you did they? People were just asking you questions. Are you done with people asking you questions? Are you incapable of critically thinking about your beliefs?

Lol, I didn't mean to sound offended. To answer your questions, no, no.

If you ask me a question I'm just going to preach at you. My understanding of the world is completely different from yours. Let me give you an example, I know people who raised the dead, and cast out demons. I can never prove this actually so it has no place in a debate, however I beleive 100% that the person telling this to me was telling the truth. What is there to debate about that?

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Winter wind Where does it put the age of the earth at 600 years old? Point to the Bible passage, please?

Oops. Forgot a zero. It's 6000. It's the implication made from Genesis and the events chronicled in the OT. There is no other date one can glean from the book as the age of the Earth. So, either you can concede or you can stamp your feet and come up with silly logical rules... like "it's okay to ignore certain implications in the bible (the age of the planet), but not okay to ignore others (homosexuality is a sin)."

[Jack]

What is there to debate about that?

Nothing. As Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Third person hearsay has no place in a debate.

[christianmathew]

Matt W keeps attacking my posts for being religious. I will most likely not post on this topic, I guess.

I most likely won't be on more about a week anyways, so you won't be seeing much of this religious believer.

I'll probably get this post taken off for being off topic, but I just thought I should let anyone know who cares that I won't be posting here anymore.

[Tycoon]

I'll probably get this post taken off for being off topic, but I just thought I should let anyone know who cares that I won't be posting here anymore.

Good-bye.