What Is Humanitarianism?

[castille]

What exactly is this concept known as humanitarianism?


Was Adolf Hitler a true humanitarian, helping his master race seek their destiny, while ensuring the lower races also sought their destiny?

Was Joseph Stalin a true humanitarian, promoting international Communism and equality while killing those who disrupted his master plan?

Was Mao a true humanitarian, on his realisation of the power he could hold, and that he could choose the destinies of China? Or was Deng a humanitarian, who rebuilt China from the ruins of Communism, but ruthlessly stamped out resistance?

And what of the thousands of young Nazis and Communists who followed in their path, waving banners of love and peace and knowing their actions were making the world a much better place?


All three men were humanitarians - they sought to make the world a better place, in their opinion. Millions followed them, also believing they could make the world a better place.


So what is humanitarianism? Is it the Church values of loving life and peace? The Communist values of ensuring absolute equality at all costs? Or is it someone's opinion - Hitler, Stalin, a random Nazi stormtrooper - about how to make the world a "better" place?

[nature of reality]

Alturism. that is what your getting at castile, and that is what is ruinging the world.


Its moral blank check that says " IF you don't directly benefit (and there fore aren't greedy), its okay to do it)"

[laserkid]

I don't think you can call Adolf Hitler a humanitiarian - after all he slaughtered a lot of people just because of their race, a humanitarian is one who not just seeks, but DOES help other human beings moreover a humanitarian cares about the rights of ALL human beings no matter where they are from, what gender or creed they carry. A true humanitarian, lets say Mother Teresa for an example will not turn ANYONE away, and is not out to HURT others even if it is to protect others. If being a humanitiarian is as simple as wanting to help "others" you'd have a harder time saying who ISN'T a humanitarian since most people at least have ONE other person they want to help, under that definitioon just helping an old lady makes yoou a humanitatian - am I a humanitarian because I tend to hold a door open for others by helpiung them? Not really, a humanitarian strives and suceeds to help EVERYONE they possibly can, its not something most people can claim to honestly be.

[cheesemage]

A humanitarian is one who works for the good of all through peace and selflessness.

[laserkid]

thank you for putting into better words what I was trying to say Cheesmage ^_^;

[nature of reality]

selflessness=mindlessness.

For what makes the decisions but the Self?


anyone who disagrees with me should watch a OA ordeal, or better yet run one, and see what Selfless labor truly looks like.

[castille]

So what is the "good of all"?


Adolf Hitler did seek the good of all - he believed he was benefiting Aryans, and that the Jews/lesser races were being benefited (since they would benefit from dying).

Stalin believed he was promoting Communism by killing anyone who opposed it, therefor creating a utopia for the survivors.

Mao also believed in Communism....even after 30 million people died during the man-made famine ("Great Leap Forward"? No, more like "Great Leap to Hell").

Bin Laden believes the same - after all, only when all Western infidels have been slaughtered, can Islam live in peace.



So is Adolf Hitler, Stalin, and a Soviet tank bearing down on a Czech protestor true humanitarian?

[G. Adams]

No, Hitler didn't believe that executing Jews was good for him. I would suggest you look into the Thule society, of which Hitler was its most famous member and favourite prodigy.

On Stalin you just cancelled yourself out. Stalin was doing good for the survivors, for those who supported him, not for all humanity.

You just did it again on Bin Laden, he is doing what he feels is good for islam, not for humanity.

So no, they are not true humanitarians.

[laserkid]

G Adams said it better than I could just because you do what YOU think is best doesnt make you humanitarian, that just makes you a thinker, of course, in the case of Hitler he didnt kill Jews for THEIR sake it was all for a very small portion of humanity that he felt superior sumply by how they looked.

[G. Adams]

It wasn't because of how they looked, its because (as I said look into the Thule Society) he believed the Anglo-Saxon race was descended from the Aryan people, an alien people who became stuck on earth. This race established places like Atlantis. They point to religious texts across the world to back them up, for example in one of the lost books of the bible, the ones not selected for inclusion, says the angels were stuck on earth. God told them not to screw the human women, but they did anyway, giving birth to the ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons. They also point to Quezacotl in mesoamerican mythology, a white bearded man who came and enlightened the people. The original aryan's still live in Antarctica hidden beneath the ice sheets, travelling the world in their very fast spaceships etc

Its because of this that the Thule Society thought that the anglo saxon people were so much superior to other humans, because they were a different species almost, none germanic peoples were nothing more than pack animals for the anglo-saxons.

Hitler also believed in magic, look at all the time he spent searching for the grail, the ark of the covenent etc Hitler believed he would rule the world after he lifted the spear the killed Jesus.

I can see how this would garner the support of a few idiots, but sparking the Nazi movement sounds ridiculous, but it is behind a lot of Hitler's thinking.

[cheesemage]

Yeah Hitler was into some real funky stuff, but such are the actions of the insane. Also didn't he want to dismantle Christianity, and revert back to old Germanic folk religions?

Selfness is not mindlessness. When one saccrifices time and effort for the benefit of others, it does not only benefit those who recieve the help, rather it gives hope to all knowing that there is some inner good in all of us, some common ground upon which we could make the world a great place. Nay selflessness is only mindless if you are helping those who have no desire to help themselves.

[G. Adams]

Yup, he certainly did intend to take down Christianity and reintroduce the old gods, but that side was more Himmlers thing. The SS built this castle with a big round table in it, and 12 little alcoves around the room because they truely believed that the knights of the round table would join them to fight.

if they looked into history they'd see arthur was a (well its likely) a celtic pagan king fighting against the anglo-saxons, not alongside them.

[castille]

Adolf Hitler believed killing the Jews would be good for them (since nothing is worse than being an evil Jew).

Stalin never killed anyone. He merely authorised their executions. He never had a real plan for genocide - it was the Russian civilians who denounced their neighbours, and the Russian civilians drafted into the NKVD who shot them....

Next time you talk about "the rule of the people", just remember it was the civilians who instigated the killings.



I believe the only true humanitarians are those who selflessly act for others, without any political, social, or economic gender. This EXCLUDES leftwing hippies, since their Communist agenda is all too obvious....

[laserkid]

Man........and I am used to insane leftists, but man you really scare me, just like the extreme left tend to scare me.

Because they differ in ideology to you they arent humanitarian?

So then Ghandi, that damn liberal pacifistic hippie who tried to help other beyond himself was no humanitarian because he isnt of the same political persuasion as you? You sir, are sick.

[castille]

I never said anyone who differs from me in ideology is not a humanitarian. I might be sick, but hey, you're blind.

Reagan holds similiar political leanings to me, but I do not consider him a humanitarian. (for those of you who are blind, REAGON HOLDS SIMILIAR POLITICSL LANINGS TO ME, BUT I DO NOT CONSIDER HIM A HUMANITARIAN).


So there. I don't care what the hell their political beliefs are, I don't consider anyone who has a political cause to promote to be a humanitarian.


This includes Bush, Ghandi, Clinton, Adolf Hitler, Stalin, Meo, protestors, ultranationalists, communists, democrats, fascists, or whatever political cause.


There is a clear line between POLITICAL CAUSE and NON-BIASED HUMANITARIANISM.


Why didn't Ghandi help the people of China? Why didn't he help Angola, Malaya, Germany, Algeria, or anyone else? Why just Indian?

Why did Hitler only help Germany? He didnt even help Japan with her war.

Why did Stalin ONLY help the USSR? He stole resources from Eastern Europe to improve Soviet manufacturing.


I consider politics to be a very poor excuse for humanitarianism.

[G. Adams]

They are all examples of nationalists, thats why they didn't help others. How about Che Guevara? He travelled and fought in Colombia, Bolivia, Cuba and even the Congo, yet he was an Argentinian.

what if your a humanitarian who recognises that the only way to help the majority of people is through politics? as a doctor you can only help a limited number of people, as a scientist your product will only reach the rich. But as a communist, if succesful, you will help the majority of humanity.

[Impenitent]

getting everyone to kill everyone else...

very humanitarian...

viva la revolution!

[laserkid]

okay now Im seeing your point a LITTLE bit more but you're getting into motive rather than effect, do ends justify the means, certainly not but in the case of Ghandi the means werent horrible either - his "political" goal was to create peace for the people he could - nobodys superman and can help everyone all at once.