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Derach · Apr 21, 2008, 07:39 am

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Not really. I mean, there is the concept of forgiveness, and "turn the other cheek" and "faith hope and love". None of those are in the commandments.

Also, the "don't judge others" so on so forth.

Those other values are guidelines and suggestions. Not rules that Jesus preached as requisites for following a Christian life. You wouldn't suggest a sinful nature in someone who failed to 'turn the other cheek' or 'show faith hope and love' or even for 'judging others' ...

If, however, you were discussing a murderer, an adulterer, a thief, etc ... you could argue for their sinfulness based on the clear rules (supposedly) handed down by God and preached by Jesus (among others).

If you are calling something sinful (like a book or movie), I think there should be strong evidence, preferably linked directly to a COMMANDMENT (which means a mandate) that specifically states the offense that has resulted in sin.

To most Christians (and others) those 10 mandates handed by God himself to Moses are the required rules to live a Christian life. Consciously breaking one is clearly a sign of sin ... to start interpreting behavior beyond that is speculative and very subjective, even among Christians.

Anmon · Apr 21, 2008, 07:43 am

Whether you agree with the ten commandants or not, lets face it, you would be a pretty decent guy to know, if you consistently followed all ten daily.

Winter wind · Apr 21, 2008, 08:30 am

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We both want it but for different reasons, they want to destroy it, we want to save it.

I believe in Jesus Christ. Your argument isn't with me.

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Those other values are guidelines and suggestions. Not rules that Jesus preached as requisites for following a Christian life. You wouldn't suggest a sinful nature in someone who failed to 'turn the other cheek' or 'show faith hope and love' or even for 'judging others' ...

*sigh* i guess so. I just was hoping you wouldn't think Christianity's main focus is the law. I prefer to focus on the teachings...

Anmon · Apr 21, 2008, 08:41 am

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=Winter wind;498541]I believe in Jesus Christ. Your argument isn't with me.

I thought you were with the heathens, my bad.

Winter wind · Apr 21, 2008, 08:58 am

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I thought you were with the heathens, my bad.

No, just a weird Christian.

I just don't hesitate to argue against a Christian when I disagree with them.

Anmon · Apr 21, 2008, 12:47 pm

Its not me your disagreeing with, you are disagreeing with what is right.

Delta One · Apr 21, 2008, 01:17 pm

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I see the answer is "no".

No, the Bible. Too bad. Sorry. Incorrect.

ShadowFox · Apr 21, 2008, 05:49 pm

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Its not me your disagreeing with, you are disagreeing with what is right.

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No, the Bible. Too bad. Sorry. Incorrect.

Both of you, it's what you think is right. Yet you have yet to support what you say. (FYI, the bible isn't adequate support for things said in the bible)

Anmon · Apr 21, 2008, 05:54 pm

Things like what?

Winter wind · Apr 21, 2008, 10:56 pm

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Its not me your disagreeing with, you are disagreeing with what is right.

You haven't convinced me. You need to do better.

Back to the topic. The twilight series is fiction, it's not presented as fact, so what's so evil about it?

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 12:18 am

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You haven't convinced me. You need to do better.

Its not worth the effort.

ShadowFox · Apr 22, 2008, 12:25 am

If you can't present actual evidence from sources that aren't biased or simply blogs, don't debate.

Back on topic. Really, if you aren't participating in satanism, i don't think your religion will consider it sinning.

Winter wind · Apr 22, 2008, 02:18 am

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Its not worth the effort.

Not so big on "Spreading the word"?

And your avoiding the real debate.

The twilight series is fiction, it's not presented as fact, so what's so evil about it?

Please, please, please respond.

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 02:45 am

later, have to do some research.

Delta One · Apr 22, 2008, 03:10 pm

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Both of you, it's what you think is right. Yet you have yet to support what you say. (FYI, the bible isn't adequate support for things said in the bible)

It is not what I think, as I said before. It is what I know. There is always an absolute, right (at least eventually)? In this case, it is the Bible, and it is the absolute truth.

Anmon · Apr 22, 2008, 03:11 pm

absolutely!

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 04:23 pm

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It is not what I think, as I said before. It is what I know.

And the difference is...nothing. Think, think you know, it's all the same, a personal opinion that's valid for only those who agree with you.

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There is always an absolute, right (at least eventually)? In this case, it is the Bible, and it is the absolute truth.

Because you say so? Again a contention without support.

Will_00 · Apr 22, 2008, 06:36 pm

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And the difference is...nothing. Think, think you know, it's all the same, a personal opinion that's valid for only those who agree with you.

That is too bad. God is Always Existent.It is your personal opinion that he doesn't exist. The actual making of the theories that attempt to "prove" he doesn't exist were created by humans that are not perfect.

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Because you say so? Again a contention without support.

It doesn't need your imperfect "proof." God Is Perfect.

ShadowFox · Apr 22, 2008, 06:41 pm

As did the idea of the existence of gods. Really, claiming something written in a book is proven by the fact it was written in said book isn't evidence at all. In debate, you need evidence, otherwise your argument is very VERY weak.

Will_00 · Apr 22, 2008, 06:46 pm

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As did the idea of the existence of gods. Really, claiming something written in a book is proven by the fact it was written in said book isn't evidence at all. In debate, you need evidence, otherwise your argument is very VERY weak.

Nope, that is too bad. "Proof" in your own reference can not even come close to the Perfection of God.

Apr 22, 2008, 12:25 am	#72 (permalink) (top)
ShadowFox formerly Halofan48 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,615	If you can't present actual evidence from sources that aren't biased or simply blogs, don't debate. Back on topic. Really, if you aren't participating in satanism, i don't think your religion will consider it sinning. Knowledge is power, use it well. Don't fear the unknown, seek to understand it Formerly Halofan48 Fun game!!!

Apr 22, 2008, 06:41 pm	#79 (permalink) (top)
ShadowFox formerly Halofan48 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,615	As did the idea of the existence of gods. Really, claiming something written in a book is proven by the fact it was written in said book isn't evidence at all. In debate, you need evidence, otherwise your argument is very VERY weak. Knowledge is power, use it well. Don't fear the unknown, seek to understand it Formerly Halofan48 Fun game!!!

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Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Whether you agree with the ten commandants or not, lets face it, you would be a pretty decent guy to know, if you consistently followed all ten daily.

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Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Its not me your disagreeing with, you are disagreeing with what is right.

Apr 21, 2008, 05:54 pm	#69 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Things like what?

Apr 22, 2008, 02:45 am	#74 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	later, have to do some research.

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Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	absolutely!