The Twilight Series

[Donkey Sage]

The real question here, does it matter if something is sinful if the sinner isn't religious? Does it only matter to those that are religious?

The books, from what a friend has told me, are about vampires and love. It's very popular among teens and such.

There are no such things as demons, vampires, werewolves, or miracles/magic.

Until I'm shown otherwise, that's the way it is.

[Will_00]

The real question here, does it matter if something is sinful if the sinner isn't religious? Does it only matter to those that are religious?

Of course it effects all people. "Religious" effects all people. Despite what anyone says.
I know that many are going to disagree, yet that is too bad.

[Maryjane]

I think it's a full moon out tonight?

[Jack]

"Religious" effects all people. Despite what anyone says.

Absolute confidence in unsupported mythology. And atheists are accused of being closed-minded.

[Donkey Sage]

Quote by: Will_00 Of course it effects all people. "Religious" effects all people.

You quote that like I misspelled something.

Also, you're wrong. Your religion does not effect the starving children of Ethiopia. Your religion fills the void you would have otherwise. I feel a bit sorry for folks like that.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Delta One To warn all of you, the Twilight series is fully demonic. And for those of you that don't know, being involved in demonic/Satanic activities is sinful.

Is it a kind of sarcastic joke, or are you just repeating the randomness you heard at your local church? Unless you believe that what is in Twilinght is real, like you seems to do, I'm afraid there isn't any satanism involved. It is just another paranoid statement, along with "Harry Potter is demonic!". Stop trying to brainwash people.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Will_00 Of course it effects all people. "Religious" effects all people.

Correction: religious affect most people, because Western culture is buried in Christianity. But on my side I try to get out of this, to clean my mind from all this by practicing naturism, redefining values...

[rez]

Quote by: Delta One Since being involved in demonic/Satanic things is a sin

This is where people don't take you serious. It is sort of like the dog ate my homework excuse. People are not gullible enough to take your word for it. Sorry.

[Walrus]

I’d never heard of the Twilight Series but can’t think of a better way to promote something than to tell people it is sinful.

[Derach]

Quote by: Delta One I am saying that Satanists actually change shape and appearance through demonic means. For those of you who do not believe in the supernatural, you won't believe this. This lady, who is a Satanist, was also a witch, and she was high priestess of her coven. She was made a Queen of Satan, one out of only ten in the world at any given time. She had demonic powers to be able to change her appearance. She changed to a young woman, to a middle-aged man, to an old woman, to an old man, and back again. The powers of darkness are very strong. For those of you who don't believe in the supernatural, you obviously wouldn't believe this. And I'm not one of those extremists, who goes on about everything, all the time. This is serious, very serious. I am a knowledgeable Christian, that is how I know about this. Most Christians don't even know that people can separate their spirits from their bodies through astral projection, to be able to fly around and fly through walls, and look in on people. This stuff is usually only fantasy, but it is the Truth.

This is the type of thinking that gets people burned at the stake. The danger to innocent people by whacko theists is far greater than the danger to theists by atheists or people who like vampire or werewolf stories. There has never been a confirmed instance of werewolves or vampires attacking Christians ... yet there are countless examples of Christians exacting vengance on non-believers of one sort or another.

[JaneDoe321]

Quote by: Walrus I’d never heard of the Twilight Series but can’t think of a better way to promote something than to tell people it is sinful.

Heh. I have to admit I want to get the books now!

[Anmon]

Quote by: Donkey Sage Your religion fills the void you would have otherwise. I feel a bit sorry for folks like that.

Religon, as opposed to people using drugs and alcohol and casual sex weekly in the west, to fill up the 'void' in their lives?
Save your pity, we don't really need it, as compared to some.

[Delta One]

Quote by: Halofan48 I'm sorry, but do you seriously think that? I'm not trying to be offensive, but i'm very surprised someone does believe that.

I don't think it, I know it. And of course you're surprised. From what you just said, you implied that this is bogus, even though it is not. Just look up astral projection on the Internet (Maybe you shouldn't, for your computer may become cursed). You probably were astounded after you read this last sentence. Naivete is very harmful. Like I have been saying, most people don't know about it. For proof, buy or borrow from your local library one of Rebecca Brown, M.D.'s most famous books. I will give you a list of the three that involve demonic influence and demonic manifestations. Prepare for War, He Came to Set the Captives Free, and Becoming a Vessel of Honor, all by Rebecca Brown, M.D. Here is an excerpt from Prepare for War: Here is a quote from a police report giving an account by a child who was seven years old at the time of the abuse. I know that most readers will be horrified and shocked by this report, but it is the truth, and I print it here only as a small example of thousands and thousands of cases of this type in the U.S. alone. "I remember going with my father to a man's apartment...He wanted to buy a woman. I thought my father was good because he didn't want to sell me...when she came into the room, they made her take her clothes of and lie on the table. She started screaming when they tied her up. She screamed a lot...My mother held my arms and made me cut her wrists with a razor blade. They killed her...they would toast the Devil with blood. Usuallly they would take the heart out and offer it to the Devil to be blessed. they would always push a piece of the heart in my mouth."
"I was tied to a cross alongside a dead man on Easter. I remember feeling ill because I was upside down. They took his insides out and cut him down. They [pushed me] partially inside him. They put the man in a coffin an dput me on top of him. they had a box of live kittens, and they crushed their heads and threw their bodies into the coffin. then they closed the lid. I can remember screaming." (Prepare For War, 215-216)

This is a quote about astral projection:
The final separation does not occur until the link between the body and spirit is severed. This link is described by many people who experience astral projection as a "silver cord: Shirley MacLaine makes reference ot this silver cord in her book Out On A Limb... Let's look at Shirley's description of her own astral projection experience.
"I stared at the flickering candle. My head felt light. I physically felt a kind of tunnel open in my mind...Once again I felt myself become the flame...I became the space in my mind. I felt myself flow into the space, fill it, and float off, rising out of my body until I began to soar I was aware that my body remained in the water. I looked down and saw it. David stood next to it. My spirit or mind or soul, or whatever it was, climbed higher into space. Right through the ceiling of the pool house and upward over the twilight river I literally felt I was flying...wafting higher and higher until I could see the mountains and the landscape below me and I recognized what I had seen during the day."
"And attached to my spirit was a thin, thin silver cord that remained stretched though attached to my body in the pool of water. I wasn't in a dream. No, I was conscious of everything, it seemed. I was even conscious that I didn't want to soar too high...I definitely felt connected. What was certain to me was that I felt two forms...my body form below and my spirit form that soared. I was in two places at once, and I accepted it completely...I watched the silver cord attached to my body...It glistened in the air. It felt limitless in length...totally elastic, always attached to my body. My sight came from some kind of spiritual eye. It wan't like seeing with real eyes. I soared higher and wondered how far the cord would stretch without stopping. The moment I thought about hesitation, my soaring stopped my flight, consciously, in space...I directed myself downward. back to my body. Slowly I descended...with a soft fusion of contact that felt like a puff, I melded back into my body. My body felt comfortable, familiar, but it also felt constricting and cumbersome and limiting...I was glad to be back, but knew I would want to go out again." (Out On A Limb, by Shirley MacLaine, Bantam Books, 1983, pp. 327-329)

By staring into the candle, Shirley blanked out her mind, directly opening a doorway for the entrance of demons. As she opened herself up to this demonic powe, the link was forged between her conscious mind and spirit, thus enabling her to begin experiencing and controlling her spirit body. This is why all forms of meditation are so key in Eastern religions.
(Prepare for War, 259-261) This is real. It came out of a nonfiction book. This is not drug-induced, obviously. It came about by a form of meditation. They do this all the time in the Eastern Hemisphere.

[Delta One]

Quote by: Anmon Religon, as opposed to people using drugs and alcohol and casual sex weekly in the west, to fill up the 'void' in their lives? Save your pity, we don't really need it, as compared to some.

Precisely, and it is not religion, just to be clear. It is Christianity. There is a clear difference between Christianity and religion. Just check out the Christianity is not a Religion thread that my friend started, who has similar beliefs as I do.

[Anmon]

The godless hate Christianity, and dismiss it as fables and fairy tales and old fashioned, out of place, but go totally ape for anything dark and demonic, werewolves, vampires, demons and witches especially, funny that.

[Will_00]

Absolute confidence in unsupported mythology. And atheists are accused of being closed-minded.

Does it justify anything if I state your own belief of atheism to be of unsupported mythology, does it effect anything? As well, True Belief effects all things, although many people may not know it due to their own absence of the participation.

You quote that like I misspelled something. Also, you're wrong. Your religion does not effect the starving children of Ethiopia. Your religion fills the void you would have otherwise. I feel a bit sorry for folks like that.

If you are referencing Christianity, it is not a religion.

[Delta One]

Quote by: Anmon The godless hate Christianity, and dismiss it as fables and fairy tales and old fashioned, out of place, but go totally ape for anything dark and demonic, werewolves, vampires, demons and witches especially, funny that.

Exactly. They always do that. Some Christians even do this. Even when they know it is demonic, therefore being sinful, they just go ahead and do it, because they enjoy it, just like reading the Twilight Series.

[Anmon]

Yeah they get a kick out of it because they know its evil.

[Delta One]

Quote by: Anmon Yeah they get a kick out of it because they know its evil.

Yep, the regular sinful nature. You should join a group that my friend Will_00 and I are part of: the Christian force on these deabte forums. You should check out a thread he started, called, Christianity is not a Religion, or Is Christianity a Religion, or something like that.

[Derach]

Quote by: Delta One I don't think it, I know it. And of course you're surprised. From what you just said, you implied that this is bogus, even though it is not. Just look up astral projection on the Internet (Maybe you shouldn't, for your computer may become cursed). You probably were astounded after you read this last sentence. Naivete is very harmful. Like I have been saying, most people don't know about it. For proof, buy or borrow from your local library one of Rebecca Brown, M.D.'s most famous books. I will give you a list of the three that involve demonic influence and demonic manifestations. Prepare for War, He Came to Set the Captives Free, and Becoming a Vessel of Honor, all by Rebecca Brown, M.D. Here is an excerpt from Prepare for War: Here is a quote from a police report giving an account by a child who was seven years old at the time of the abuse. I know that most readers will be horrified and shocked by this report, but it is the truth, and I print it here only as a small example of thousands and thousands of cases of this type in the U.S. alone. "I remember going with my father to a man's apartment...He wanted to buy a woman. I thought my father was good because he didn't want to sell me...when she came into the room, they made her take her clothes of and lie on the table. She started screaming when they tied her up. She screamed a lot...My mother held my arms and made me cut her wrists with a razor blade. They killed her...they would toast the Devil with blood. Usuallly they would take the heart out and offer it to the Devil to be blessed. they would always push a piece of the heart in my mouth." "I was tied to a cross alongside a dead man on Easter. I remember feeling ill because I was upside down. They took his insides out and cut him down. They [pushed me] partially inside him. They put the man in a coffin an dput me on top of him. they had a box of live kittens, and they crushed their heads and threw their bodies into the coffin. then they closed the lid. I can remember screaming." (Prepare For War, 215-216) This is a quote about astral projection: The final separation does not occur until the link between the body and spirit is severed. This link is described by many people who experience astral projection as a "silver cord: Shirley MacLaine makes reference ot this silver cord in her book Out On A Limb... Let's look at Shirley's description of her own astral projection experience. "I stared at the flickering candle. My head felt light. I physically felt a kind of tunnel open in my mind...Once again I felt myself become the flame...I became the space in my mind. I felt myself flow into the space, fill it, and float off, rising out of my body until I began to soar I was aware that my body remained in the water. I looked down and saw it. David stood next to it. My spirit or mind or soul, or whatever it was, climbed higher into space. Right through the ceiling of the pool house and upward over the twilight river I literally felt I was flying...wafting higher and higher until I could see the mountains and the landscape below me and I recognized what I had seen during the day." "And attached to my spirit was a thin, thin silver cord that remained stretched though attached to my body in the pool of water. I wasn't in a dream. No, I was conscious of everything, it seemed. I was even conscious that I didn't want to soar too high...I definitely felt connected. What was certain to me was that I felt two forms...my body form below and my spirit form that soared. I was in two places at once, and I accepted it completely...I watched the silver cord attached to my body...It glistened in the air. It felt limitless in length...totally elastic, always attached to my body. My sight came from some kind of spiritual eye. It wan't like seeing with real eyes. I soared higher and wondered how far the cord would stretch without stopping. The moment I thought about hesitation, my soaring stopped my flight, consciously, in space...I directed myself downward. back to my body. Slowly I descended...with a soft fusion of contact that felt like a puff, I melded back into my body. My body felt comfortable, familiar, but it also felt constricting and cumbersome and limiting...I was glad to be back, but knew I would want to go out again." (Out On A Limb, by Shirley MacLaine, Bantam Books, 1983, pp. 327-329) By staring into the candle, Shirley blanked out her mind, directly opening a doorway for the entrance of demons. As she opened herself up to this demonic powe, the link was forged between her conscious mind and spirit, thus enabling her to begin experiencing and controlling her spirit body. This is why all forms of meditation are so key in Eastern religions. (Prepare for War, 259-261) This is real. It came out of a nonfiction book. This is not drug-induced, obviously. It came about by a form of meditation. They do this all the time in the Eastern Hemisphere.

I fully support your right to believe all of this (as you obviously do). Where I draw the line is when you and people that believe in the active interference of the spiritual world with the physical, want to impose those beliefs on other people. For example ... if I want to bring my 10 yr old to a Harry Potter movie (or my 18 yr old to 'an American Warewolf in London') ... you have NO RIGHT to interfere with that at all ... either through protests or through creating obstacles for theatres to carry those movies. I wouldn't dream of interfering with your right to conduct an excorcism on a willing subject ... even though I think it's all a waste of time and probably an intentional manipulation by someone with bad intentions ... so don't you try to interfere with our free market and the right of consumers to purchase a product that is legally available because of your supernatural beliefs.

Christianity has a long history of crossing the line between the spiritual world to affect real world consequences ... often impacting non-Christians the most.

People who do not subscribe to fundamental Christian beliefs do not want to limit the freedoms of believers to the same extent that that fundamentalist theists seek to impose their beliefs as justification for real world implications (like banning movies).