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**Matt W** · Apr 21, 2008, 08:05 pm

Once more, christianmathew - either debate the topic, or don't post. The Bible is 'the holy word of god' in your opinion. Other members have other opinions, and are free to express them.

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christianmathew · Apr 21, 2008, 08:07 pm

Oh yeah, you have been saying things about different versions. there are different versions of everything, or it wouldn't be unique. The catholic and protestant, morman and jehovah witness, the many different versions of christianity may have different bibles, but they are all still christian. You have to look at the core, the actual, true christian religion, and the original bible to see what is christianity, not its branches.

The people with different bibles have just been led astray, if you want a real version, look at the king james version, or preferably, a bible written in the original greek.

Anmon · Apr 21, 2008, 08:10 pm

Relax CM, some of the left are just trying to get you worked up, who cares what they think.

**Matt W** · Apr 21, 2008, 08:12 pm

This isn't a chat room, Anmon. Debate, or don't post.

Rainbow · Apr 21, 2008, 10:49 pm

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Rainbow, are you kidding ?

Also, Stop Dissing The Bible!!! I have said it before, I will say it agian. If you don't believe in it, I won't fight you. But when you start claiming its not true, and all the things you have been saying, you are definitely out of context. You have no idea what that is. It is not just a bunch of pages in many similar versions, it is the holy word of god given to man to save them from their sins. Don't diss it.

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I wait for Isherwood's heresay.

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Are you certain that I am the addressee ?

freefallife · Apr 21, 2008, 11:46 pm

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The people with different bibles have just been led astray, if you want a real version, look at the king james version, or preferably, a bible written in the original greek.

First off, the old testament was originaly writen in Hebrew. Greek was used in the new testament. Additionaly Aramaic was utilized in both. Secondly, the KJV wasn't just translated from Greek. They consulted translations in Chaldean, Latin, Spanish, French, Italian and Dutch. And, of course, they used earlier English Bibles—at least six, including William Tyndale's New Testament, the first to be printed in English.

So, your "true" book is actually just translated from a dozen other books, all of which you have just claimed were NOT true. Interesting hole you've dug yourself into.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 12:24 am

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I wait for Isherwood's heresay.

Why do I always have to be the heretic?

I'm not about to tell you what to think about the Bible. Perceive it as you will. And I will do the same.

To me, a non-believer, the Bible is a book. It's an ancient text, but not the most ancient. It's an artifact of an earlier time. It's a record, mostly fictional, of the development of the world as understood by primitive and unlearned people. It has no impact on my life.

I like books. I'm an avid reader as well as being a writer. But I don't worship books, I don't consider them divine or divinely inspired. I certainly wouldn't consider defending a book against negative opinions with anything more than my personal counter-opinion. I am also under no obligation to share anyone else's opinion of a book.

Love the Bible if you wish. But don't demand or expect others to necessarily share your devotion.

Winter wind · Apr 22, 2008, 02:10 am

And we are way way off topic.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 10:56 am

Maybe, maybe not. Considering the Bible to be above reproach, divine, an object to be venerated, is an indicator that Christianity is a religion in practice.

Winter wind · Apr 22, 2008, 12:27 pm

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Considering the Bible to be above reproach, divine, an object to be venerated, is an indicator that Christianity is a religion in practice.

haaa, I guess so.

Well, the Bible was built like it was meant to. However, I just think God expected us to either interpreter it farther as time went on, or adapt it. So the technicalities, while interesting, are some what irrelevant to me.

Delta One · Apr 22, 2008, 03:13 pm

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The actual definition of religion is belief in a God that created the universe and still hold power over it.

It isn't a matter of "too good". Either you believe in a God that created the universe and still holds power over it or you don't. If you do, you fit the definition of religion.

Either Christianity is a religion, or its believers don't believe in a God that created the universe and holds power over it.

It can be a religion and a lifestyle and a community. But it is a religion as well.

If you still disagree, please address this question first. How is Christianity not a religion as defined by a dictionary.

No, it is not. The real definition of a religion is man's attempt to connect with God. But Christianity is not, for it is not an attempt; it is an actual reestablishment of the connection with God lost by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Delta One · Apr 22, 2008, 03:23 pm

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Let me guess...home schooled right?

Not even close. I've never been home schooled, ever.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 03:31 pm

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The real definition of a religion...

According to...?

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for it is not an attempt; it is an actual reestablishment

Without substantiating the notion of gods, it's at best a personal perception.

Maryjane · Apr 22, 2008, 03:52 pm

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Why do I always have to be the heretic?

What? You don't like heretic? Never satisfied are you?

How about apostate, backslider, recreant, protestant, dissenter, skeptic, or freethinker?

Will_00 · Apr 22, 2008, 06:16 pm

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According to...?

Truth

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Without substantiating the notion of gods, it's at best a personal perception.

God is Always Existent.

**Jack** · Apr 22, 2008, 07:10 pm

Your circular reasoning is unconvincing, as is your concept of truth. Perhaps you can offer some rebuttal beyond repetitive pronouncement.

Tycoon · Apr 22, 2008, 07:16 pm

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Perhaps you can offer some rebuttal beyond repetitive pronouncement.

And maybe not. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

nerdvincent · Apr 22, 2008, 09:56 pm

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...or freethinker?

Blasphemer! Everybody know freethinking is bad for faith. Critical thinking could lead peoples to see the truth! Can you imagine such a disaster? 'Could be the end of organized religions, the religious right screwing up elections and the end of conservative ideas!

Technosoul · Apr 22, 2008, 10:47 pm

I hope everyone had fun debating this topic, I did not read the thread but the bottom line is that the Christian movement represents everything one would expect in terms of being an organized religion. Although in reading some of the scriptures I am not sure if Jesus would favor that end result.

Winter wind · Apr 23, 2008, 10:56 am

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I hope everyone had fun debating this topic

As a "thinking" Christian, I find this thread depressing.

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The real definition of a religion is man's attempt to connect with God

I'm looking at the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

This is what religion is:

(1): the service and worship of God... (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

Let me phrase this as clearly as I possibly can.

Do you serve and worship God? Do you commit/devote yourself to the Christian faith and it's practices?

If so, then you believe in a religion.

If you are attempting to say....

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for it is not an attempt; it is an actual reestablishment of the connection with God lost by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Then fine. That is what Christianity is, however, it doesn't mean that (According to the Webster dictionary) it isn't a religion.

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Truth

If you mean the Bible, then point out the verse.
It may be the "Truth", but we need to see how you came to this conclusion.

Apr 21, 2008, 08:07 pm	#122 (permalink) (top)
christianmathew caring christian Location: right here Posts: 177	Oh yeah, you have been saying things about different versions. there are different versions of everything, or it wouldn't be unique. The catholic and protestant, morman and jehovah witness, the many different versions of christianity may have different bibles, but they are all still christian. You have to look at the core, the actual, true christian religion, and the original bible to see what is christianity, not its branches. The people with different bibles have just been led astray, if you want a real version, look at the king james version, or preferably, a bible written in the original greek. I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. I gave in, and admitted that God was God. C. S. Lewis

Apr 21, 2008, 08:12 pm	#124 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,800	This isn't a chat room, Anmon. Debate, or don't post. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Apr 22, 2008, 02:10 am	#128 (permalink) (top)
Winter wind Never mad Location: Hong Kong, China Posts: 1,877	And we are way way off topic. Don't forget this is all in good fun! "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." Albert Einstein "The devil is in the details" -?

Apr 22, 2008, 10:56 am	#129 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794	Maybe, maybe not. Considering the Bible to be above reproach, divine, an object to be venerated, is an indicator that Christianity is a religion in practice. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 22, 2008, 07:10 pm	#136 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794	Your circular reasoning is unconvincing, as is your concept of truth. Perhaps you can offer some rebuttal beyond repetitive pronouncement. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 21, 2008, 08:10 pm	#123 (permalink) (top)
Anmon BANNED Location: between the good and the bad Posts: 1,330	Relax CM, some of the left are just trying to get you worked up, who cares what they think.

Apr 22, 2008, 10:47 pm	#139 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	I hope everyone had fun debating this topic, I did not read the thread but the bottom line is that the Christian movement represents everything one would expect in terms of being an organized religion. Although in reading some of the scriptures I am not sure if Jesus would favor that end result.