Christianity is not a Religion

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Delta One That is precisely what will land you in hell. The use of intellectuality and opinions is utterly unnecessary. It is not mythology at all. You could say that you are a human, and people will think that you aren't, even though there is biological evidence, but people will still not believe you. It is the same with evolution and atheism.

Let me guess...home schooled right?

[Will_00]

When an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact. Glossary of Scientific Terms, Evolution Teaching Workshop (A fact is)A statement that is objectively true and can be verified. ESOMAR - Market Research Glossary F Information that has been objectively verified. http://www.pde.state.pa.us/a_and_t/l...e_Glossary.doc

But what makes this a fact?

Since science comes to conclusions based on the evidence, existing only in science is a positive comment.

You didn't answer my question. What if that conclusion exists in Science?

All the evidence required to disabuse someone of their religious beliefs is available from a number of sources. If you have decided beforehand that it would be impossible to alter your opinions, then you aren't approaching the evidence with an open mind, and by doing that you're assuring the failure of it convincing you. That's not a problem with the evidence but with its reception.

Yet it is never true, so the evidence does not assist in any format based on either user, since the one giving the "evidence" is simply misguided.

[Jack]

Since you've already closed your mind to any evidence that might contradict your assumptions, you'll consider anyone providing it "misguided". Again, that is not a reasonable judgment on the evidence being presented but on the willingness of the receiver to consider it.

Your other questions are argumentative and apparently not answerable to your satisfaction.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Will_00 First of all, many people believe in Christianity - That is Great - yet many believe it is as well a Religion, which I may point out is not true. According to the world Christianity is most certainly a Religion, yet according to the Bible (Which is True at All Times) it is a Relationship with Jesus Christ.

Essentially I agree with your first statement, and part of your second one.

True at all times? Which version are you referring to? There are many. Do you exclude the books Nicea excluded? The Catholic bible has more books that the protestant, are they excluded or included? Good News vs. King James, vs.... Is the differing genealogy of Jesus, both which end in Joseph who had nothing to do with it, absolutely true? There's so much to cover here: including worshipping a "perfect book," and those who may, or may not, have been the authors, instead of where the focus should be: Jesus. Jesus wrote nothing: at least nothing that has survived. For the "Old" there were also authors: some possibly known, some not. Plus, authorship was rather loosely defined in those times: could be disciple of a disciple or discipleS of a disciple.

Note: I believe all faiths are about their prophets and their deities. Organized religon, however, is mostly about power and skewing the message so hierarchy can keep, and use, such power.

[Will_00]

Since you've already closed your mind to any evidence that might contradict your assumptions, you'll consider anyone providing it "misguided". Again, that is not a reasonable judgment on the evidence being presented but on the willingness of the receiver to consider it. Your other questions are argumentative and apparently not answerable to your satisfaction.

How so?

Essentially I agree with your first statement, and part of your second one. True at all times? Which version are you referring to? There are many. Do you exclude the books Nicea excluded? The Catholic bible has more books that the protestant, are they excluded or included? Good News vs. King James, vs.... Is the differing genealogy of Jesus, both which end in Joseph who had nothing to do with it, absolutely true? There's so much to cover here: including worshipping a "perfect book," and those who may, or may not, have been the authors, instead of where the focus should be: Jesus. Jesus wrote nothing: at least nothing that has survived. For the "Old" there were also authors: some possibly known, some not. Plus, authorship was rather loosely defined in those times: could be disciple of a disciple or discipleS of a disciple. Note: I believe all faiths are about their prophets and their deities. Organized religon, however, is mostly about power and skewing the message so hierarchy can keep, and use, such power.

I was referencing the ONLY TRUTH. The Holy Bible.

[Jack]

I was referencing the ONLY TRUTH. The Holy Bible.

Which one, which version, translation, compilation? If the Bible is the only truth (typing in all caps is both rude and unconvincing), by what authority do the various sects of Christianity and the individuals within those sects decide what is parable and what is literal? There are no marginal notes to indicate what the Bible's authors had in mind, so how is it that so few agree on how to approach the book?

[Will_00]

Which one, which version, translation, compilation? If the Bible is the only truth (typing in all caps is both rude and unconvincing), by what authority do the various sects of Christianity and the individuals within those sects decide what is parable and what is literal? There are no marginal notes to indicate what the Bible's authors had in mind, so how is it that so few agree on how to approach the book?

Any of the King James, New International, etc Versions.

[Jack]

I would expect "the truth" to be consistent and not so subject to private interpretation.

[Will_00]

I would expect "the truth" to be consistent and not so subject to private interpretation.

Exactly what I have been saying forever to you. The Truth is not effected by anyone else's personal interpretation.

[Jack]

But since the Bible is, it doesn't qualify as "the truth" by even your own standards.

[Will_00]

But since the Bible is, it doesn't qualify as "the truth" by even your own standards.

What is your intention? What are you even saying?

[Jack]

Try reading from post #106 to here and see if you can follow the progression of the debate.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: Will_00 What is your intention? What are you even saying?

We are off topic.

If I was to do that you would simply go back with a ridiculous false testimony.

Then convince me Will. Make your pitch.

The Bible never says it's not a religion. So why can't it be?

[USSRv2]

Christianity is not a religion, no. Though nor is it a relationship with any dead jew.

Christianity, as well as all religion, is merely the expression of humanity's religious needs. Like society is out expression of a need for community (though it might severely lack actual community - thus all this misery).

[Winter wind]

Quote by: USSRv2 Christianity is not a religion, no. Though nor is it a relationship with any dead jew. Christianity, as well as all religion, is merely the expression of humanity's religious needs. Like society is out expression of a need for community (though it might severely lack actual community - thus all this misery).

First of you have one major logical flaw in this argument.

According to you, Christianity is not a religion, but they both are the expression of humanity's religious needs.

I think you agree Christianity is a religion, you're just saying that religion is dumb. That's fine, but this is the wrong thread for that.

[USSRv2]

Quote by: Winter wind First of you have one major logical flaw in this argument. According to you, Christianity is not a religion, but they both are the expression of humanity's religious needs. I think you agree Christianity is a religion, you're just saying that religion is dumb. That's fine, but this is the wrong thread for that.

Read the article 'on jews' by Marx.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: USSRv2 Read the article 'on jews' by Marx.

It relates to my comment...how?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Isherwood Jesus was a Jew. I'm not even sure he'd approve of the Christian movement.

Jesus rejects Christianity.
Am I correct ?

[christianmathew]

Rainbow, are you kidding?
You don't even know what a a christian is do you? You have to be crazy. The whole christian religion is focused on three eternal beings, Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. Which, slightly complicated, are one, reffered to as God. Jesus was a Jew, but he created the christian religion/relationship/movement. He would approve of it, and he most definitely wouldn't reject it.

That is also almost like saying if your american you can't be budhist. Nationality doesn't have anything to do with it. Jesus definitely approves christianity, (though not everything that has been done under that name), and just because he is/was a Jew while he was on earth, doesn't mean he would reject his created religion.

[christianmathew]

Also, Stop Dissing The Bible!!! I have said it before, I will say it agian. If you don't believe in it, I won't fight you. But when you start claiming its not true, and all the things you have been saying, you are definitely out of context. You have no idea what that is. It is not just a bunch of pages in many similar versions, it is the holy word of god given to man to save them from their sins. Don't diss it.