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DeCipher · Apr 10, 2008, 12:07 am

(I've never enjoyed writing introductions, so I'll just jump right into this idea)

We ("we" will be used as a very general term, not necesarly including all of humanity) will never be able to "find God" or "find out if God really exists" if we continue using the same methods that we do today. But the solution, the alternative route, is stated in many religions; one of the most popular being Christianity:

"God created man in His own image..."
-Genesis 1:27

We spend so much time looking for something so amazing and so alien, that we don't realize what we are looking for is right here.
Either way that you translate the above quote: "We are God", "We are extensions of God", "We are like God", it can simply be said that we are looking for something outside of ourselves and alien. This means that: we would never be able to prove that God exists because you can't prove something is there when it's not, because we are looking for something other than ourselves, rather than something like ourselves.
This would mean that human science/reason/logic, the things that many use to disprove God, reflect/are aspects of God.
Therefore, in order to prove that God exists, one would need to prove that we exist.

Any ideas or comments? Please tell me if I did not state this clearly enough.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 12:17 am

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"We are God", "We are extensions of God", "We are like God"

These aren't equal statements. The first implies we ourselves are god(s). The second and third presuppose a separate being called god, humans only being extensions or similar to that god.

If we are god(s), then the classic definition for a god has to be ignored. If we are mere extensions or reflections of a god, then that idea is really not far removed from current theological thinking.

HelioPrime · Apr 10, 2008, 01:39 am

We are God.

Sounds correct, we are created in the image where we can create life ourselves, have a direct impact on the universe around us, and show a full range of emotions.

Will_00 · Apr 10, 2008, 10:22 am

We (all humans) can never be:

God, like God, and extension of God, etc.

God is perfect, yet we are sinners and were born sinners - we cannot be God in any sense.

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This means that: we would never be able to prove that God exists because you can't prove something is there when it's not, because we are looking for something other than ourselves, rather than something like ourselves.

There is no need to proove God. He is Omni Everything. He is at All Times, True, Existant, Etc. We use the Bible, though, to explain to others about the Magnificent Glory of God and His continual Love for all people.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 10:38 am

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There is no need to proove God.

There is if anyone expects people to accept as fact what thus far has not been shown to be anything more than a product of the imagination and wishful thinking. Like all superstitions, theology is based on perceptions, not irrefutable evidence.

Technosoul · Apr 10, 2008, 10:39 am

If we are searching for God then He must of got lost. How then could God get lost?

This was done for pleasure, god created the earth for his pleasure, it is a game called hide and seek.

Being that God is the only one, he played hide and seek form his Self by making His Self a lot of little selfs. So the little gods are searching for the big god not knowing that each of them are a part of the big god.

We are also in that image, we have lots of little cells that make up one big identity called "I".

read the following link for the whole theory.

Between Sundays: Background for "Hide and Seek with God"

Next question.

Apr 10, 2008, 08:02 pm

And if you find God, or yourself, what will you do the next day? Would it change anything? If so, what?

Gods_Mercenary · Apr 10, 2008, 08:06 pm

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There is if anyone expects people to accept as fact what thus far has not been shown to be anything more than a product of the imagination and wishful thinking. Like all superstitions, theology is based on perceptions, not irrefutable evidence.

I would say that any and all human thought is based on perceptions, though especially in the case of superstitions, I'll grant you.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 09:34 pm

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I would say that any and all human thought is based on perceptions, though especially in the case of superstitions, I'll grant you.

I agree. I was making the case that religion is no different than any other human thought, especially superstitious thought. Religion is not an objective reality.

Will_00 · Apr 10, 2008, 11:04 pm

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I agree. I was making the case that religion is no different than any other human thought, especially superstitious thought. Religion is not an objective reality.

No, not at all. Us Christians ARE SURE that God Exists and Always has existed despite the "proof" of others.

Hurt · Apr 10, 2008, 11:06 pm

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No, not at all. Us Christians ARE SURE that God Exists and Always has existed despite the "proof" of others.

some people believe in superstitions. what's the difference? there's no proof for either of them and the existence of whatever the superstition suggests is based on faith.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 11:13 pm

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No, not at all. Us Christians ARE SURE that God Exists and Always has existed despite the "proof" of others.

No one asserts you aren't. However, those of us not influenced by that mindset do not share your assurance.

The search for god is an exercise in finding what you expect to find.

Will_00 · Apr 10, 2008, 11:16 pm

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some people believe in superstitions. what's the difference? there's no proof for either of them and the existence of whatever the superstition suggests is based on faith.

Superstitions are simply guess' and sinful fake groups that guess things.

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No one asserts you aren't. However, those of us not influenced by that mindset do not share your assurance.

The search for god is an exercise in finding what you expect to find.

You can never fully understand God - or even remotely understand God. He is Omni Everything.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 11:23 pm

Believe what you will...and I'll do the same. The belief in gods is just another superstition.

# an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

# A superstition is the irrational belief that future events are influenced by specific behaviors, without having a causal relationship.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition

A belief in something not justified by reason or evidence.
Bible Dictionary

Will_00 · Apr 10, 2008, 11:27 pm

Yet, what you state is of the world - and again Christians are not of the world.

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 11:31 pm

How convenient. In what way are they not? Do they not live among us, work with us, vote, shop and exist just like everyone else? Thinking you're an alien does not make you an alien. As unpleasant as it is for them to admit, Christians are just as human as any other human.

Will_00 · Apr 10, 2008, 11:36 pm

We are of course human, but we do not function with the same beliefs as they do. We believe differently.

Hurt · Apr 10, 2008, 11:38 pm

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We are of course human, but we do not function with the same beliefs as they do. We believe differently.

And that belief is not the same as a superstition? They're both based on faith in something that has no proof. How are they different?

**Jack** · Apr 10, 2008, 11:48 pm

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we do not function with the same beliefs as they do. We believe differently.

That might qualify someone as enlightened or deluded, but it doesn't remove anyone from the human race.

Will_00 · Apr 11, 2008, 12:00 am

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And that belief is not the same as a superstition? They're both based on faith in something that has no proof. How are they different?

Because Christianity has Faith that is True Faith.

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That might qualify someone as enlightened or deluded, but it doesn't remove anyone from the human race.

I didn't state that we were "removed from the human race," but stated that Christians Believe different things then others do.

Apr 10, 2008, 12:07 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
DeCipher Molten Ash Posts: 26	The Search for God (I've never enjoyed writing introductions, so I'll just jump right into this idea) We ("we" will be used as a very general term, not necesarly including all of humanity) will never be able to "find God" or "find out if God really exists" if we continue using the same methods that we do today. But the solution, the alternative route, is stated in many religions; one of the most popular being Christianity: "God created man in His own image..." -Genesis 1:27 We spend so much time looking for something so amazing and so alien, that we don't realize what we are looking for is right here. Either way that you translate the above quote: "We are God", "We are extensions of God", "We are like God", it can simply be said that we are looking for something outside of ourselves and alien. This means that: we would never be able to prove that God exists because you can't prove something is there when it's not, because we are looking for something other than ourselves, rather than something like ourselves. This would mean that human science/reason/logic, the things that many use to disprove God, reflect/are aspects of God. Therefore, in order to prove that God exists, one would need to prove that we exist. Any ideas or comments? Please tell me if I did not state this clearly enough. "I won't take my religion from any man who never works except with his mouth." -Carl Sandburg "The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible." -Oscar Wilde

Apr 10, 2008, 01:39 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
HelioPrime Hucking Fuskies Location: Conn Posts: 2,349	We are God. Sounds correct, we are created in the image where we can create life ourselves, have a direct impact on the universe around us, and show a full range of emotions. What do you say to an atheist who sneezes? Yourdeadthatsit! - Dane Cook

Apr 10, 2008, 11:23 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,223	Believe what you will...and I'll do the same. The belief in gods is just another superstition. # an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn # A superstition is the irrational belief that future events are influenced by specific behaviors, without having a causal relationship. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition A belief in something not justified by reason or evidence. Bible Dictionary The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 10, 2008, 11:27 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Will_00 Computer Nerd Location: United States Posts: 228	Yet, what you state is of the world - and again Christians are not of the world. "Intellectual growth should begin at birth and cease only at death." Albert Einstein My Website - FirefoxGeeks

Apr 10, 2008, 11:31 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,223	How convenient. In what way are they not? Do they not live among us, work with us, vote, shop and exist just like everyone else? Thinking you're an alien does not make you an alien. As unpleasant as it is for them to admit, Christians are just as human as any other human. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 10, 2008, 10:39 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	If we are searching for God then He must of got lost. How then could God get lost? This was done for pleasure, god created the earth for his pleasure, it is a game called hide and seek. Being that God is the only one, he played hide and seek form his Self by making His Self a lot of little selfs. So the little gods are searching for the big god not knowing that each of them are a part of the big god. We are also in that image, we have lots of little cells that make up one big identity called "I". read the following link for the whole theory. Between Sundays: Background for "Hide and Seek with God" Next question.

Apr 10, 2008, 08:02 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
sdbest Guest Posts: n/a	And if you find God, or yourself, what will you do the next day? Would it change anything? If so, what?

Apr 10, 2008, 11:36 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Will_00 Computer Nerd Location: United States Posts: 228	We are of course human, but we do not function with the same beliefs as they do. We believe differently. "Intellectual growth should begin at birth and cease only at death." Albert Einstein My Website - FirefoxGeeks