Jesus- the missing years

[Anmon]

Quote by: Magnus He never married, only gay men would do that

He wasn't gay I believe, the Catholic Church has him as celibate, but I believe he had a wife and kids, and the Church has covered this information up.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Even if no one believed these gods, and they did, you still have carbon-dated stories that mirror Jesus AND predate him. That's a problem.

A problem for strict christians in the midwest perhaps. The chances are high when writing portions of the bible earlier myths were included as part of the story so as not so sound so strange. I'm not sure how this disproves anything other than strict bible interpretation.

[Anmon]

The old testament is mostly conjecture and Chinese whispers, there are a lot of good values and ideals of course as well.
As a Christian it is Jesus teachings that I hold as most important in the Bible, not whether the Ark had two of every living creature somehow in it, or if the flood covered the whole world literally, or just a large area of where the ancient ancestors of the Jews lived.

[Charlatan]

Jesus didn't really teach anything, all He did was restate things of moral types, like being what people understood as being good. Then he went on about forgiveness, and that doesn't hold well with me. What did he teach, that a mustard seed yada yada and heaven is great and hell is for the wicked, that is all. What set Him apart from the churches of the day was they liked hearing what He said and shunned the teachings of the churches, which were pagan, and they were struck with terror when they heard about hell. Pagan churches don't speak of hell as much, but just go on about how to bond with God, so, people preffered being forgiven by the "one true God" more than the idea of bonding with other Gods, logically. The churches of the day doubtlessly had teachings of how to be more special to God, but they were forgotten as soon as they herad of miracles that were not able to be done by reverends of other types of churches, so they turned their backs on their roots and embraced the more fear driven set. All religions are full of love, but you only notice it when you are actively thinking about it, as with embracing a new one, one might think that they are more filled with love than before. This is common to embracing a new faith.

[Jack]

He wasn't gay I believe

A single guy who hung around with twelve other men, got along well with women and loved kids. Nearly the stereotype of a gay man.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Isherwood A single guy who hung around with twelve other men, got along well with women and loved kids. Nearly the stereotype of a gay man.

Also the stereotype of a heterosexual man, lots of male friends, married, gets along with women, and loves kids.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Charlatan Jesus didn't really teach anything, all He did was restate things of moral types, like being what people understood as being good. Then he went on about forgiveness, and that doesn't hold well with me. What did he teach, that a mustard seed yada yada and heaven is great and hell is for the wicked, that is all. What set Him apart from the churches of the day was they liked hearing what He said and shunned the teachings of the churches, which were pagan, and they were struck with terror when they heard about hell. Pagan churches don't speak of hell as much, but just go on about how to bond with God, so, people preffered being forgiven by the "one true God" more than the idea of bonding with other Gods, logically. The churches of the day doubtlessly had teachings of how to be more special to God, but they were forgotten as soon as they heard of miracles that were not able to be done by reverends of other types of churches, so they turned their backs on their roots and embraced the more fear driven set. All religions are full of love, but you only notice it when you are actively thinking about it, as with embracing a new one, one might think that they are more filled with love than before. This is common to embracing a new faith.

How can you say that?
Jesus is a great teacher, and is revered by other religions too, not just Christianity, you say he is just repeating what other religions previously had come up with, well can you tell me what othe religions taught the sermon on the mount perhaps?
You would by your accusations also be putting a lot of teachers presently, at risk of not being teachers also, if you see them repeating what they have learned to others as not teaching.

[Chris]

There are gospels that were omitted by evangelicals, Thomas, Mary Magdelene, etc. where they speak of this missing time.

[Anmon]

Yes, I believe Christ had a family with Mary Magdalene, probably kids as well, but this was covered up by the Catholic Church because they wanted him to be revered as holy given only to God, not to women.

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon Yes, I believe Christ had a family with Mary Magdalene, probably kids as well, but this was covered up by the Catholic Church because they wanted him to be revered as holy given only to God, not to women.

Did you know there was no catholic church during jesus' time?
Did you know there is no record of a jesus as described in the bible, ever living in the area? so why do you think we have records from over 2000 years ago, indicating some dude named "jesus christ" miracle superstar man, married so and so in area C ?

Do you think Jesus christ was his name?

[Anmon]

[=Magnus;494674]Did you know there was no catholic church during jesus' time?

Of course, the Roman Catholic Church started around a century later, based on Jesus and his followers teachings.
Catholic is originally from a Greek word Kathos and Holis meaning universal.

Did you know there is no record of a jesus as described in the bible, ever living in the area?

Maybe because there is no name Jesus in Judaen records, as Jesus is not a Jewish name.

so why do you think we have records from over 2000 years ago, indicating some dude named "jesus christ" miracle superstar man, married so and so in area C ?

I believe your referring to the gospels and other written works by his followers of his life?

Do you think Jesus christ was his name?

No, thats what we now call him, and have for nearly 2000 years, his actual name while alive was Yeshua Ben Joseph, or Yeshua 'of' Joseph. Yeshua became 'Iesous' in greek, which then became Iesus in Latin, early latin 'i' is both a 'i' and a 'j' sound, early english substituted J for I, so we then got Jesus.

Christ is from the Greek word Christos which is a translation form the Hebrew word 'messias' meaning anointed saviour or 'messiah'

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon No, thats what we now call him, and have for nearly 2000 years, his actual name while alive was Yeshua Ben Joseph, or Yeshua 'of' Joseph. Yeshua became 'Iesous' in greek, which then became Iesus in Latin, early latin 'i' is both a 'i' and a 'j' sound, early english substituted J for I, so we then got Jesus.

Show me a non-famous persons marraige license or proof they were married from 2000 years ago.

in fact, give me the database of them, surely everyone got their license when they married right? or maybe a local holy place wrote it down? thats where the catholic church stole it from the authorities 100 years after jesus died right? cuz we all know how powerfull the catholic church was 1900 years ago? DErrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Anmon]

Quote by: Magnus Show me a non-famous persons marraige license or proof they were married from 2000 years ago. in fact, give me the database of them, surely everyone got their license when they married right? or maybe a local holy place wrote it down? thats where the catholic church stole it from the authorities 100 years after jesus died right? cuz we all know how powerfull the catholic church was 1900 years ago? DErrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Now you doubt Jesus had parents?

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon Now you doubt Jesus had parents?

that he even existed.

Im still waiting for the database of marriage licenses from 2000 years ago anmon?

[Jack]

Rumor has it that during those years, Jesus toured with the Rolling Stones. Yes, they are that old.

[Technosoul]

I just don't get it. Why don't you folks just read the texts written about his childhood instead of listening to all those other sources, the lost books of the Bible were written by the same Jewish people who wrote the other chapters, as least five chapters about Jesus growing up are in that book (I already posted the links). Those chapters were just censored out by the King James people but they still exsist and were preserved, and then published in the 1920s because a Pope gave into pressure to release the manuscripts.

[Anmon]

Quote by: Magnus that he even existed. Im still waiting for the database of marriage licenses from 2000 years ago anmon?

there were no database back then magnus

[Anmon]

Quote by: Technosoul I just don't get it. Why don't you folks just read the texts written about his childhood instead of listening to all those other sources, the lost books of the Bible were written by the same Jewish people who wrote the other chapters, as least five chapters about Jesus growing up are in that book (I already posted the links). Those chapters were just censored out by the King James people but they still exsist and were preserved, and then published in the 1920s because a Pope gave into pressure to release the manuscripts.

I'll look into it more.I have read some of these Gospels, but the Jesus in them seems a bit out of character to the one in MMLJ he doesn't come across as the same Jesus like in the presently accepted New Testament.

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon there were no database back then magnus

Then what proof would the catholic church have of jesus being married?
do you see how you have destroyed your own argument?
GG
god is dead

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Anmon I'll look into it more.I have read some of these Gospels, but the Jesus in them seems a bit out of character to the one in MMLJ he doesn't come across as the same Jesus like in the presently accepted New Testament.

True, children are not like adults.

Somewhat like the smallville TV show about Superman.

Our modern age cannot really relate to having someone with supernatural abilities walking around on water and so forth.

The novelty of all that, if it is to believed, does not fit into any of the evelopes we use for determining our reality. It is all totally outside the box and as alien to our planet as would be some of those ufo sightings.

In all honestly we have no bases in our reality by which to say "that makes sense".
Because of the paranormal discriptions used by those who wrote the story.

None the less, some of his sayings and his philosophy, which writers claim were spoken by this person called Jesus, are well worth concideration and praise.

Where other things he said are riddles that go beyond the logic to explore for the "Other". Which we might title the "unexplainable flying objects within the mystery of life, self, and the universe". The Riddles are not facts but rather they act like a springborad to jump off of into a swimming pool of a questioning and seeking mind. The message is not about believing, but about seeking, even if the search goes outside of the box that we use to contain our logical perceptions. Leaving us with the option - freakout or remain secure in the known status of logical deductions. Take your pick. Transforming the unknown into the known is not an easy task because cultural conditioning is well constructed.